Again, Sonic fan games. What say you?
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I recognize the difference, it's obvious, but I'm not sure if Nintendo's approach is actually doing anything for them.
Alright, fair enough. You guys shut me down hard.But you seem to be under the misapprehension that there aren't any Mario fangames floating around out there....?
Again, Sonic fan games. What say you?
Valve embraced those people in a way that made it work for all parties, right?
I recognize the difference, it's obvious, but I'm not sure if Nintendo's approach is actually doing anything for them.
I really don't get why everybody is talking like the site is down and the game was removed. The person who said the they received a takedown notice wasn't even the main site for game, but a metroid fansite.
Guy who made game tweeted he never received anything.
Game is still up
You can still download
Why so much misinformation, I'm so confused.
Yes, there would never be a "DMCA" for AM2R. That doesn't even make sense. The DMCA is about piracy.I was also under the impression that this is the kind of thing you get sent a cease-and-desist over instead of a DMCA takedown. It's not like the original site and creator are hard to find here.
To be fair I think Bombergames was also asking for donations. My memory is fuzzy on that one though, since it's been a looooong time.
Sorry dude, I can't understand why this doesn't make sense to you. These are the rules.
When a Jury is deciding one something such as an infringement case, they aren't comprised of experts in the field. They probably won't understand the difference between fan-games and rip-offs, and if it is brought up that "X" was allowed to exist when it fits the same criteria as "Y", that Jury may well end up siding with the infringing party. Any cases of trademark or copyright infringement left undefended weaken the case of the owner in subsequent defences. (IIRC there is some wiggle room for cases where it would have been incredibly difficult for the owner to know about the infringement)
I don't have any examples for you in games, but here's a big list of trademarks that have been lost due to them becoming "generic". They were not defended by their owners and are now in the public domain.
It's important to note as well that "losing" the IP is probably the wrong word. I mean that they owner has no legal ground to prevent anyone else from using their IP.
Also, I really don't know what the deal is with Sonic, but I'm going to try to find out. I'd imagine that in an industry such as this, where (until relatively recently) people needed significant funding in order to make a game, ripping off one of the most iconic and recognisable characters in the medium was not a solid business plan. The Legal costs would be staggering. However, Considering the number of (non-gaming) companies that have lost IP due to failing to take action, I would say the "sonic-state" is an exception rather than a solid basis for a counter-argument.
Finally, I don't know what you mean about reproduction-games. You'll need to elaborate on that one.
I told you. Selling it or not, its still Nintendo's IP. But yeah, they waited a little to long for this one. Its out there, and I have it!
Who cares what if they did. It's out there now, you can't stop the Internet.
The only bad thing about this will be the "I told you so" posts in this thread.
At the present time, Sonic fan games aren't doing Sonic any favors, nor are the official games. Sonic, as an IP, is still widely considered as a joke, and its' popularity continues to slip for a variety of reasons, the series' fans, and how they are perceived, included.
If Nintendo starts licensing out their IP's wholesale like they did in the 90's, you run the risk of shit like Mario is Missing and the CD-i Zelda games happening. Nintendo games, their IP's, are supposed to be known for their quality, but they tried what you're suggesting before, and it simply didn't work. On top of this, licensing out their IP's too much would over-saturate their brands, which is also a bad thing, even if all the games were 10 out of 10.
Seriously now, AM2R is using Nintendo's IP without their permission, doesn't matter if you like it or not. No idea what makes you think otherwise.No IP was stolen and no game was pirated.
Nintendo has no jurisdiction.
This is true, but I'm just glad the game was released in the first place. No matter what actions Nintendo takes, the game is out there so we did get to play it. That's really what matters here.Seriously now, AM2R is using Nintendo's IP without their permission, doesn't matter if you like it or not. No idea what makes you think otherwise.
...so, Captain Falcon character action game confirmed? Because I'd be fine with that too.
This is true, but I'm just glad the game was released in the first place. No matter what actions Nintendo takes, the game is out there so we did get to play it. That's really what matters here.
It's just like the Powerslave EX situation.
No IP was stolen and no game was pirated.
Nintendo has no jurisdiction.
They should've kept it as is, but release it under the title Ghost Song 2, Nintendo would've been none the wiser.
No IP was stolen and no game was pirated.
Nintendo has no jurisdiction.
I just downloaded the torrent to check: http://metroid2remake.blogspot.com/
It's still up.
Metroid database != am2r site?
Edit: I guess no one reads fourth post, huh?
Who is metroid database? They're not the AM2R site, so who are they?
Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm SO glad that AM2R was released.This is true, but I'm just glad the game was released in the first place. No matter what actions Nintendo takes, the game is out there so we did get to play it. That's really what matters here.
It's just like the Powerslave EX situation.
So you cant prove that not defending an IP will make company lose it, then why bring it up. The thing with generic is a different matter entirely which is why we have generic drugs.
Heres a link to a page of a reproduction game
https://gamereproductions.com/~gamerepr/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=238
Same thing but someone is making money from this. This site has been up for years and Nintendo has yet to make a C&D order against them.
Nintendo keeps being an asshole.
Anyway, Internet will deliver this time. Nintendo can't face the whole Internet.
I'm glad I've downloaded it before the close. Now I will distribute it as far as possible.
Cat's out of the bag since the torrent is available. They are going to have a very tough time keeping the game from being distributed. Why even bother?
Eh, taking down one of the official mirrors is at least to some degree trying to stop it. We don't even know if the other 3rd party mirrors have received DMCA notices.Because Nintendo has done NOTHING against this fan remake. They are not trying to stop it. They are not trying to "face the whole Internet". They haven't even contacted the dude who made the remake. I honestly don't know what you're all getting upset about. Have you not even read the OP?
Eh, taking down one of the official mirrors is at least to some degree trying to stop it. We don't even know if the other 3rd party mirrors have received DMCA notices.
Let's just wait and see, it's very early in the morning in US and I'm pretty sure that we will get some new info on this matter today.
It was the only the smallest mirror, while all the other mirrors are handled by big third party companies which get a TON of DMCA takedown requests every day. And the mail received by Metroid Database arrived most likely on frigging Sunday evening.Why would they take down a mirror before the main site? It makes absolutely no logic to think they would do that if they are trying to "stop" this fan remake. They could have enforced they copyright years ago. Why wait until now? And if any other third party mirrors had received any DMCA takedown notice, we would have known by now.
Alternatively, they targeted Metroid Database specifically because MD sells their own merch and them rehosting AM2R could be seen as a way of driving visitors to their site to see that stuff.Right; Metroid Database has nothing to do with AM2R, and that site is still active with the game intact for download. Someone in the AM2R OT mentioned that Nintendo tends to shut down things that compete with their own products, or can be misconstrued as their official product. If Metroid Database is a huge fan site, perhaps they requested the removal of the game from being hosted there to not be thought of as an official release, or just don't want it circulated anywhere other than the AM2R dev's site. I'm just pulling that out of my ass, but that's my guess.
For what it's worth, there's a point to be made that people are not helping AM2R endear itself to Nintendo when they act like it's the only Metroid thing happening this month/at all when Nintendo is releasing a new Metroid game in less than two weeks.Whether they let it stay up or not, Nintendo themselves has done NOTHING for Metroid's 30th Anniversary.
The fact the most exciting thing about the 30th Anniversary is the fan-remake of Metroid II tells you everything.
C'mon, Nintendo. You've kicked Metroid fans down for the past six years. No need to be vindictive about it.
Nintendo decide to release Metroid 2 remake. People are like "nope, why pay when I has it free", see the problem?No IP was stolen and no game was pirated.
Nintendo has no jurisdiction.
For what it's worth, there's a point to be made that people are not helping AM2R endear itself to Nintendo when they act like it's the only Metroid thing happening this month/at all when Nintendo is releasing a new Metroid game in less than two weeks.
Whether or not Federation Force is something that people are actually happy or not is irrelevant when fans are inadvertently positioning AM2R as effectively being competition.
Wouldn't be the same game, though. If Bethesda tried to charge money for a "Turn a Dragon into Macho Man Randy Savage" DLC, when that mod already exists, is the mod creator who initial made it somehow in the wrong?Nintendo decide to release Metroid 2 remake. People are like "nope, why pay when I has it free", see the problem?
See, while I get what you're saying, that's a problem with NINTENDO, not the fans who have been clamoring for a Metroidvania, classic-style exploration game (ESPECIALLY a traditional side-scrolling installment) since bloody 2004(!). There hasn't been an old-school Metroid game like AM2R in nearly 12 years! That's INSANE to me.
And, regardless of Federation Force's quality or reception (I'm going to give it a shot), it's not even close to the gameplay style or presentation that neglected Metroid fans have wanted (again, even more so if you're a fan of the 2D installments). It's effectively a spin-off with none of the gameplay features or world design that made Metroid so famous and beloved.
It's not "competition" other than sharing the name anymore than Mobius Final Fantasy is competition for Final Fantasy XV. They're two entirely different beasts altogether.
... And I'll peg that separate on NINTENDO, because obviously the demand is there for a proper old-school Metroid experience, but Nintendo decided not to cater to that audience and has done something different instead. That's not entirely bad, but it's still disappointing to the fans who grew up with, treasure, and value that traditional experience (enough to make their own when Nintendo won't bother).
Wouldn't be the same game, though. If Bethesda tried to charge money for a "Turn a Dragon into Macho Man Randy Savage" DLC, when that mod already exists, is the mod creator who initial made it somehow in the wrong?
If Nintendo really did go after AM2R all it would do is further embitter people who already are ticked off about Federation Force. It would easily do more damage than good.Alternatively, they targeted Metroid Database specifically because MD sells their own merch and them rehosting AM2R could be seen as a way of driving visitors to their site to see that stuff.
For what it's worth, there's a point to be made that people are not helping AM2R endear itself to Nintendo when they act like it's the only Metroid thing happening this month/at all when Nintendo is releasing a new Metroid game in less than two weeks.
Whether or not Federation Force is something that people are actually happy or not is irrelevant when fans are inadvertently positioning AM2R as effectively being competition.
You should play Axiom Verge, it's great !
Oh, for sure. They are very different games and, yeah, would normally not be competition in any sense of the word.It's not "competition" other than sharing the name anymore than Mobius Final Fantasy is competition for Final Fantasy XV. They're two entirely different beasts altogether.
Nobody knows yet.So why was this website taken down?
I know what you're saying but...Oh, for sure. They are very different games and, yeah, would normally not be competition in any sense of the word.
That said, to work off of your Final Fantasy comparison, a more apt comparison would be if somebody released a popular Final Fantasy fangame that was a normal JRPG with ATB combat the same month as FFXV and a bunch of people started playing it up as the actual FF being released that month and not the official game. Sure, it'd be on SquareEnix for making their own game not be as appealing as the fan game, but it's still dumb on part of the playerbase to try and openly spin the fan game as the more legitimate game.
This was basically a Final Fantasy game in everything but name (though it's by the actual creator and had a publisher), but I know I'm not alone when I call it "the real Final Fantasy XIII". I literally put it on my shelf between FFXII and FFXIV...
Initially developed as a fan game, Street Fighter X Mega Man later received support from Capcom, who assisted in the production of the game. Street Fighter X Mega Man was released as a free download from Capcom Unity on December 17, 2012. It celebrates the 25th anniversary of both Capcom's Mega Man and Street Fighter franchises.
I don't have any examples for you in games, but here's a big list of trademarks that have been lost due to them becoming "generic". They were not defended by their owners and are now in the public domain.
I really don't get why everybody is talking like the site is down and the game was removed. The person who said the they received a takedown notice wasn't even the main site for game, but a metroid fansite.
Guy who made game tweeted he never received anything.
Game is still up
You can still download
Why so much misinformation, I'm so confused.
I do the same for what it's worthI know what you're saying but...
I have to be petty.
This was basically a Final Fantasy game in everything but name (though it's by the actual creator and had a publisher), but I know I'm not alone when I call it "the real Final Fantasy XIII". I literally put it on my shelf between FFXII and FFXIV...