Because they may not share the same lobby- the assertion is if every player landed on the same spot, nobody's going to see everyone, the player doesn't get to control who enters the shared space.
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A polite discourse amongst friends on the importance of MP-elements in No Man's Sky
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Because they may not share the same lobby- the assertion is if every player landed on the same spot, nobody's going to see everyone, the player doesn't get to control who enters the shared space.
Chairmanchuck
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Didnt they show dogfights with other players in one trailer?
TheChewyWaffles
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diaspora (ironic name, actually) is going to tell you that Sean has been perfectly up front about all of this and that any indication that we could actually meet up and play with others was just read into his statements.
old manatee
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Considering that it was made perfectly clear here:
Which incidentally would allow friends to play with each other despite how absurdly rare and difficult that encounter would be. I guess it's a matter of being informed.
The interview where he says that it's not shared with everyone and who you see isn't decided by the player is from 2014.
No stake in this fight as I only recently became aware of this game, but watching these videos it is absolutely incredible how this guy wouldn't just come out and explain how this thing worked. Why? Why was he so reluctant to just explain it?
Look, if fans find themselves having to litigate the language used in multiple interviews to piece together what the dev actually meant, that dev was not communicating properly.
From his interviews as posted, I would entirely expect to be able to meet someone if we both travelled to the same point on a planet. Especially when the guy asks 'Can you play with your friends' and the answer is 'Yes'.
As for the 'It's very unlikely' comment, if that's due to instancing he should have said so. The implication was that it was due to the size of the universe, but if you could find a friend among the quintillions of planets you could meet up.
Poor show.
Look, if fans find themselves having to litigate the language used in multiple interviews to piece together what the dev actually meant, that dev was not communicating properly.
From his interviews as posted, I would entirely expect to be able to meet someone if we both travelled to the same point on a planet. Especially when the guy asks 'Can you play with your friends' and the answer is 'Yes'.
As for the 'It's very unlikely' comment, if that's due to instancing he should have said so. The implication was that it was due to the size of the universe, but if you could find a friend among the quintillions of planets you could meet up.
Poor show.
I think this is the most pathetic post in this embarrassing thread, and that's quite an achievement.
I'd pick it up, hopefully around $40.
No.
He said it would technically be possible, but not likely, as it seems much like in a Souls game, Journey or a Tomorrow Children the MP portion is asynchronous meaning you might be in the exact same place at the same moment but in your very own instance.
The game isn't meant to be MP, doesn't have servers meant for MP, and an encounter probably require so much 'everything aligned" that, as it was always said, it is barely worth mentionning.
Check the box.
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Chairmanchuck
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Then those other ships were NPCs? I remember that scene in the trailer was always talked about when someone aked what you can do im that game and people thought these ships were other players.
they were AI yes
TimeEffect
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Went to the subreddit, and boy there are a lot of critical opinions and disappointments.
A lot of people criticizing the game for being empty, lacking anything to do, and seeing recycled animals and planets where the same animals exist with a colour swap
I feel like the heat is on for this game. I do feel bad for the team, I think the wait really raised the hype too
I think the MP was supposed to be something fans expected and were hyped for though there really wasn't any indication as to why. I guess the idea of finding a friend in such a vast world was just a special experience, like how you find someone in journey
A lot of people criticizing the game for being empty, lacking anything to do, and seeing recycled animals and planets where the same animals exist with a colour swap
I feel like the heat is on for this game. I do feel bad for the team, I think the wait really raised the hype too
I think the MP was supposed to be something fans expected and were hyped for though there really wasn't any indication as to why. I guess the idea of finding a friend in such a vast world was just a special experience, like how you find someone in journey
No, from the Late Show showing ages ago they said they were AI.
RedRooster
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How would they even implement essentially a one million player mmo? Everyone online together all the time, in a universe that vast. Imagine tracking all those players on all those planets?
All this vagueness and these misleading messages were there from day one.
Not sure why people went along for the ride. Sean may have the best intentions, but it seems deceptive when you know what sort of expectations it creates if you aren't clear.
I'm honestly shocked reading some responses right now of people thinking they were playing with others.
I think it would be pretty much impossible to run into someone randomly, the planets are the size of planets, the galaxy is the size of a galaxy. The only way two people could meet is if they noticed they were kinda sorta in the same region and try and meet.
This should be in the OP it seems.
Chairmanchuck
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Kinda stupid to build up expectations because IIRC most people herr on GAF thought these were other players.
@Willy oh, okay. thanks.
old manatee
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lol I guess they don't know which it is, either.
ultrazilla
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Wow, if this happens to be true, I'm extremely let down by it.
I was always under the impression from the numerous interviews and articles that there would always be "a chance" of bumping into a live person inside the game but that it would be very, very rare.
Now we find it that you will NEVER come across a live player in game. I don't like it. Part of my excitement for the game was knowing how big it was but keeping my eyes peeled for another player on a planet or flying by in their ship.
I was always under the impression from the numerous interviews and articles that there would always be "a chance" of bumping into a live person inside the game but that it would be very, very rare.
Now we find it that you will NEVER come across a live player in game. I don't like it. Part of my excitement for the game was knowing how big it was but keeping my eyes peeled for another player on a planet or flying by in their ship.
depths20XX
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1 in a 10 quadrillion. Highly unlikely you'll meet anyone on this game, except on day one.
For real though it is crazy how quickly people found the same planet and "met".
You mean the OP that is treating this as a confirmed thing?
There is a chance, but that doesn't mean everyone is sharing the same space.
mikefrails
Banned
What would meeting people even add to the game? Having some rando tagging along won't make or break your experience.
ahahahahahahahahah
old manatee
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I still like the theory that everyone is a scouting droid or something
Jack Scofield
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If anything, this should teach people to keep their hype in check. The devs kept hammering the point that meeting someone else was incredibly unlikely. Of course, it happens on the first day of the game's release, haha.
ultrazilla
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I disagree. I think it would have been cool to "team up" for some space dogfights or exploring caves on planets together.
Sho_Nuff82
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Even in the GI interview he's being deliberately cagey:
I think the underlying problem here is that in a sandbox game, "developer intent" goes out the window the moment the game is delivered into player hands. There was no way that people were not going to attempt meetups because Sean said "that's not really what the game is about, but it's possible." And then there are the myriad of face to face videos (which are more recent) where he flat out says that meeting your friends is possible, it's understandable that fans think there is some mixed messaging.
That is the lie.
UncleSporky
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Whoa, this is weird. Where did you find this? Could it be "fan" done as a joke or...?
This isn't something that can be deduced just from thinking about it. Most of the time there is no character model when you're playing in a first person game. For example Skyrim doesn't render your actual character as he is positioned in-world when you're in first person, it's just rendering arms. There are mods that force it to render your actual character which is posed very differently (which you can normally see when you zoom out and go third person).
The thing is "I guess the whole of the entire community could organize to go to one specific spot and then they would find that they weren't all there at the same time. That would be ridiculous." essentially explains that:
- it would be theoretically possible to meet friends
- it would be absurdly rare and difficult
- even if you were in the same spot you may not see each other
It was linked to me in a reddit thread when I asked the guy for source about his comment "they are taping over online symbols on EU copies".
I am currently trying to find more
Exploding8
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My problem with this explanation is that, from a development standpoint, it makes no logical sense
They've been billing this game as having quintillions of planets and the chances of meeting someone being miniscule. So they're putting all this crazy hardware infrastructure and development overheard into a feature that has an infinitely small chance of being used to begin with, and then making the chance even smaller by limiting the number of players you even have a possibility of meeting with. It doesn't make sense. Why even bother? If this is actually how it is I can't imagine 99% of players will ever meet another player. Why devote development time and resources to such a useless feature? It would make much more sense to have minimal data being stored for each online user (say, User "X" is in "Y" system), and if two players happen to be in said system then put them in a lobby and start doing more advanced computations as necessary.
I'm much more on board with the possibility that there are server issues due to the demand.
This whole thing is ridiculous though, I don't understand why they can't just come out and definitively say if multiplayer is a thing or not, no more of this "well the chances are super small!" crap. It wouldn't be hard for them to clear the air.
VlaudTheImpaler
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List? We need a timeline IMO.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
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No Mans Lie
I don't have any sympathy for the team; they're reaping what they sowed. They should have been forthright with exactly what you can do in the game instead of pussyfooting around with details. They purposely allowed rampant speculation among fans and media just to hype their game up. If they had a lick of sense they would have seen where that decision would lead them.
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