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[Necrophage]

"Have some empathy for the guy that called two women terrorists just for sitting in a restaurant! He was afraid!"

Seriously? We should excuse irrational bullshit just because someone was afraid?

Nice paraphrasing. Bravo! Were these women assaulted? Were they murdered? Or were they just denied entry to a restaurant?

Does that make it acceptible? No, it doesnt. But if you make an attempt to understand why this happened, you can get to the root cause and maybe, just maybe, we can try to change it.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Unbelievable.

Everyone should make sure they can step outside themselves and have empathy... for the bigot who kicked women out of a restaurant because of their religion.

How about you have some empathy for the women who were expelled from the restaurant for no goddamn reason?

The whole "empathize with racists/bigots/assholes thing always cracks me up." Who cares about the women they're Muslim! Think of the fear that poor poor restaurant owner went through as he saw those two female towel heads shit down in his restaurant! Gotta see both sides.

It's an often repeated argument these people raise, look back through history and it was often often repeated to justify all kinds of shit. Just a way for people to absolve themselves or others from being seen by others as assholes

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

Nice paraphrasing. Bravo! Were these women assaulted? Were they murdered? Or were they just denied entry to a restaurant?

Does that make it acceptible? No, it doesnt. But if you make an attempt to understand why this happened, you can get to the root cause and maybe, just maybe, we can try to change it.

I'm sorry I didn't know that any examples of bigotry below violence and murderous intent was no biggie.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

The whole "empathize with racists/bigots/assholes thing always cracks me up." Who cares about the women they're Muslim! Think of the fear that poor poor restaurant owner went through as he saw those two female towel heads shit down in his restaurant! Gotta see both sides.

It's an often repeated argument these people raise, look back through history and it was often often repeated to justify all kinds of shit. Just a way for people to absolve themselves or others from being seen by others as assholes

Hey. Remember when Dylan Roof shot up that bible study and the victims and family members went all out blaming all white people for what happened? Or..or did they forgive him and pray for his soul? 🤔

I'm sorry I didn't know that any examples of bigotry below violence and murderous intent was no biggie.

There's a scale..

 

[Alavard]

Nice paraphrasing. Bravo! Were these women assaulted? Were they murdered? Or were they just denied entry to a restaurant?

Does that make it acceptible? No, it doesnt. But if you make an attempt to understand why this happened, you can get to the root cause and maybe, just maybe, we can try to change it.

If only black people had showed more empathy towards the KKK, racism could be over!

 

[GhostTrick]

Nice paraphrasing. Bravo! Were these women assaulted? Were they murdered? Or were they just denied entry to a restaurant?

Does that make it acceptible? No, it doesnt. But if you make an attempt to understand why this happened, you can get to the root cause and maybe, just maybe, we can try to change it.

It's an ethnicity related thing. Religion has shit to do with this, if you know about French's history with immigration, you'll know that "Muslim" just is the politically correct word for "Arabs". So, unless people magically change their mind or their ethnicity...

And those members have been ridiculed in the media ever since.

Which members ?

True. But since then, when was the last time you've heard of rampant racism in France? Most racist views have been condemned by the general public, since the media has a huge influence on government in France. The terrorist attacks were what changed the general consensus. I was thinking about moving to France with my wife to gain dual citizenship, but all I hear from her family now is that there is too much violence in the country.

Every year ?

 

[Necrophage]

The whole "empathize with racists/bigots/assholes thing always cracks me up." Who cares about the women they're Muslim! Think of the fear that poor poor restaurant owner went through as he saw those two female towel heads shit down in his restaurant! Gotta see both sides.

It's an often repeated argument these people raise, look back through history and it was often often repeated to justify all kinds of shit. Just a way for people to absolve themselves or others from being seen by others as assholes

You can't change history. That's a given. But making comments like "these people" is fucking ridiculous. All I'm trying to do is stem the hatred, and try to get you to understand why this is happening. Racism isn't an inherent or hereditary thing. It's due to lack of education and a fear of what people don't understand. If we're going to keep posting shit like this, at least collaborate and try to fix the problem. Instead of shitting on the culprits for whatever reason you have.

 

[Kuldar]

Which members ?

I hope he's not talking about member of the FN, cause wow most of french media love them. They are invited everywhere and it's not in order to ridicule them.

 

[Necrophage]

If only black people had showed more empathy towards the KKK, racism could be over!

So now I'm a racist murderous KKK sympathizer. Wow. That escalated quickly.

Edit: Oh and a Dylan Roof supporter. Wow.

 

[TheBryanJZX90]

You can't change history. That's a given. But making comments like "these people" is fucking ridiculous. All I'm trying to do is stem the hatred, and try to get you to understand why this is happening. Racism isn't an inherent or hereditary thing. It's due to lack of education and a fear of what people don't understand. If we're going to keep posting shit like this, at least collaborate and try to fix the problem. Instead of shitting on the culprits for whatever reason you have.

Hmm. So you favor rehabilitation over deterrence for dealing with avowed racists? Does that same attitude carry on to other kinds of wrongdoing?

 

[bionic77]

Hmm. So you favor rehabilitation over deterrence for dealing with avowed racists? Does that same attitude carry on to other kinds of wrongdoing?

If you give the bigots what they want they will stop discriminating people.

Jesus, this is so simple. How did we all miss it?

Let me check with Louis Farrakhan and David Duke and find out what is really bothering them. I might be able to fix racism by the end of the week!

 

[Kensuke]

Maybe it should help you understand where the restaurant owner is coming from. If you can't show some empathy, step outside of yourself and try to understand, then maybe you're part of the problem. Condemning someone for having legitimately understandable fears of a demographic given current events is ludicrous.
We're human. We fear what we don't understand. Is that completely damping? Does it make the restaurant owner complete human filth like most people here claim? No. It doesn't.

The fears are not legitimate or at all understandable. They are completely irrational and saying otherwise is what's really ludicrous. I'm not saying the guy is human filth, just a bigot.

Yes. You should. Otherwise what is this conversation for? To stroke your justifiable stance and your ego? Or to understand the situation and educate people. To try and brainstorm methods to correct the situation? If it's the former, this thread only exists for people to stroke themselves and condemn people who think otherwise.

Correct what situation? Are you saying there is no education out there? This is a huge topic in all of Europe, let alone France. There are muslims on TV pretty much every single day taking a stance against terrorism. Mosques have been holding meetings for years now trying to educate both muslims and non-muslims about radicalization and what the community is actively doing against it. But yeah, we should all brainstorm here so we can find out why this restaurant owner is such a bigot. At this point anyone who says muslims are all terrorists or that they sympathize with terrorism (which is what the restaurant owner specifically said) is being a willful bigot. Which is why he's being investigated for racial discrimination and will most likely pay for it.

Also don't forget this guy's restaurant is in Tremblay-en-France, a suburb where a ton of Muslims live. So this notion about him fearing the unknown is kinda ridiculous.

 

[Caelus]

So now I'm a racist murderous KKK sympathizer. Wow. That escalated quickly.

Edit: Oh and a Dylan Roof supporter. Wow.

They're not literally calling you any of these, they're mocking the notion of needing to "understand"'every instance of racism and empathize with those who engage in acts of bigotry, big or small. I can empathize with the restaurant owner for his loss, but that does not excuse his treatment of the two women, and we have every right to call him out on it. Condemning bigots isn't mutually exclusive with educating people either, but there are definitely those who are too far gone to 'educate'.

 

[Alavard]

So know I'm a racist murderous KKK sympathizer. Wow. That escalated quickly.

Nope. You've read incorrectly. Try again.

 

[Necrophage]

Listen. If you all want to flail around and state how racist this article is fine. That should be a given. What sickens me is when I try and make a comparison to get a portion of you to understand this situation in a philosophical light, I'm immediately attacked by people who use flawed logic to condemn me as a culprit sympathizer. I didn't expect this, at all, especially as a junior member. I'm out.

Edit::In regards to Muslim integration in France, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_France

 

[Sai-kun]

You can't change history. That's a given. But making comments like "these people" is fucking ridiculous. All I'm trying to do is stem the hatred, and try to get you to understand why this is happening. Racism isn't an inherent or hereditary thing. It's due to lack of education and a fear of what people don't understand. If we're going to keep posting shit like this, at least collaborate and try to fix the problem. Instead of shitting on the culprits for whatever reason you have.

here's a really nice article i like, about ignorance, and expecting marginalized/oppressed people to educate ignorant folks in a calm manner. The situation the author is writing about doesn't very closely mirror this one, but it's very quotable/relatable and I think the quotes I can pull from it are relevant in all kinds of discussions.

It is important we understand that no one owes you an education. Marginalized people do not have to explain their oppression to you for you to treat them as human beings, or accord them their full rights as one. No one should have to prove their humanity to you. The truth is that if you cared enough about something, you will spend time and effort finding out about it.

Saying we are ignorant and then sitting back smugly satisfied waiting to be taught is what oppressors do to maintain our own position and evade responsibility for our actions.

It is cruel to expect a person to be calm and polite in response to an act of oppression.

And if they don’t educate you? Does that mean you will continue to treat them as less than human? You are not going to do anything about it? You will continue to abuse them and perpetuate injustice?

 

[Angelus Errare]

You can't change history. That's a given. But making comments like "these people" is fucking ridiculous. All I'm trying to do is stem the hatred, and try to get you to understand why this is happening. Racism isn't an inherent or hereditary thing. It's due to lack of education and a fear of what people don't understand. If we're going to keep posting shit like this, at least collaborate and try to fix the problem. Instead of shitting on the culprits for whatever reason you have.

Yea sorry but I don't subscribe to the belief that oppressed should empathize with their oppressors so try this spiel with someone else my guy. It's not the oppressed job to understand why their oppressors hate them. It's not the oppressed job to teach the oppressors how to be decent human beings.

You'd think for a group of people who sees themselves as better than s they'd be able to teach themselves the things they demand the oppressed teach them.

 

[TheBryanJZX90]

Wait, wait! I got it! You guys, have we all ever stopped to consider that maybe this restaurant owner was just... afraid?? Oh man, it took hours of soul searching and comprehensive interviews with a number of French racists, but I think we can finally rest easy now knowing the true motivation behind this man's actions.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Edit: Oh and a Dylan Roof supporter. Wow.

THAT'S what you took from that? SERIOUSLY? Get a grip, dude..you're clearly losing it.

 

[Extra Sauce]

"stop oppressing women you muslim scum"

*proceeds to target women*

 

[Hypron]

It's an ethnicity related thing. Religion has shit to do with this, if you know about French's history with immigration, you'll know that "Muslim" just is the politically correct word for "Arabs". So, unless people magically change their mind or their ethnicity...

Which members ?

Every year ?

Yep, this.

 

[SporeCrawler]

If only black people had showed more empathy towards the KKK, racism could be over!

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1270771&highlight=racial

 

[Kensuke]

here's a really nice article i like, about ignorance, and expecting marginalized/oppressed people to educate ignorant folks in a calm manner. The situation the author is writing about doesn't very closely mirror this one, but it's very quotable/relatable and I think the quotes I can pull from it are relevant in all kinds of discussions.

Yea sorry but I don't subscribe to the belief that oppressed should empathize with their oppressors so try this spiel with someone else my guy. It's not the oppressed job to understand why their oppressors hate them. It's not the oppressed job to teach the oppressors how to be decent human beings.

You'd think for a group of people who sees themselves as better than s they'd be able to teach themselves the things they demand the oppressed teach them.

Yep.

Even knowing that there are still tons of muslims out there that are trying to educate people. Open up any newspaper or watch a discussion show about the topic and there will be a muslim there explaining for the umpteenth time that they don't relate to terrorists at all (besides talking about other wide-ranging racial issues).

But yeah, this restaurant owner that has a business near a huge Muslim community should get some sort of specialized education so he can stop being a bigot (/sarcasm).

 

[Gordon Shumway]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1270771&highlight=racial

LOL

 

[EdibleKnife]

So now I'm a racist murderous KKK sympathizer. Wow. That escalated quickly.

Edit: Oh and a Dylan Roof supporter. Wow.

Wrong. The point is black people don't kick white people out of restaurants all the time despite intense oppressive and terroristic attacks on their community by people who are white. The existence of Dylan Roof, the KKK, that idiot who attacked an interracial couple all the way to events like the attack on Black Wall Street and the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiments have not bred irrational fear of whiteness within black cultures because that would be irrational and inane. Even more so because black communities have lived and continue to live through being discriminated and criminalized due simply to skin color.

 

[Mael]

Nice, so we have the explanation that this restaurant owner isn't really racist because he was afraid (in that vid he was clearly terrified).
I guess it doesn't count as real racism.
Heck hear him go, it's clear he has a problem with Islam and not arabs!
Considering you can't be racist against a religion he's in the clear.
Checkmate gauchistes and antiwhites!
/s

 

[Kilrogg]

Damn, I can't speak on behalf of my country, but I'm gonna do it anyway: sorry, guys. We're not all like this, I promise.

 

[Hyperactivity]

Nice paraphrasing. Bravo! Were these women assaulted? Were they murdered? Or were they just denied entry to a restaurant?

Does that make it acceptable? No, it doesnt. But if you make an attempt to understand why this happened, you can get to the root cause and maybe, just maybe, we can try to change it.

Listen, when you think of someone that actually commits 100% racist unjustified bullshit, do you think that on some level, they as a human being don't have a place they're coming from on it? There has never been racism that isn't rooted in ignorance, meaningless hate, and environment of fear mongering and racist attitudes.

So if you expect me to "understand" where this dude is coming from, with the recent attacks in France and all, you best "understand" where most reprehensible acts have come from. Go talk to someone that believes the gays are taking over the world, you don't think they haven't been exposed to an environment that would drill that attitude in their head again and again and again? Those idiots that believe a "white genocide" is happening? You don't think their environment has drilled that into their heads, and ignorance and hate, willing or not, isn't driving their actions?

Their will never be a perfect cartoon cut-out racist that will make it easy so that it's impossible on some level to understand what produced that sort of hateful and ignorant attitude or action. There will always be some "root of the problem" for you to look into and see how this happened.

Doesn't mean that I, and many others, won't call the man out for being racist, and choose to sympathize with the victims here though.

 

[KmA]

I hate coming into these threads because there is ALWAYS someone trying to justify racism, bigotry, and prejudice it's so tiring.

 

[NEO0MJ]

Damn, I can't speak on behalf of my country, but I'm gonna do it anyway: sorry, guys. We're not all like this, I promise.

Why haven't the moderate french issued an official apology yet?

 

[TheBryanJZX90]

After further reflection I have happened upon a new discovery that will allow us the briefest glimpse into that most inscrutable mind, that of the avowed racist. It would seem, if my research is correct, that fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate leads to... I'm not sure yet. But I am inviting several racists over to my house for a nice dinner and chat this evening, and after that we're going to watch some sort of spaceship movie. So hopefully I will be able to gain further insight and understanding, upon which I will report my findings.

 

[Golden_Pigeon]

Judging and hatefully insulting someone like that because of religion = VERY WRONG

Acting like there is no connection to (radical) islam and dismissing any discussion attempts with Islamophobia Card = WRONG AND COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE

Getting everyone(minus radical racists and islamists) together and talking how to improve sociatal status and preventing radicalization(for example by finally stopping SA from sending radical Imams and/or by adding an (only) official imam course at university in the local language) = RIGHT

I actually agree with that, but we need to define "islamism" because everybody is the islamism of somebody else these days.
If we understand an islamist as a muslim supremacist it's fine.

 

[Golden_Pigeon]

From a statistical perspective, the pew research center found that 42% of young French Muslim support suicide bombing (page 60 (numbered 53) of the report.

https://web.archive.org/web/2015050...s/old-assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60

You have the exact same statistics about killing civilians in the US, or it's actually a lot higher.

So what you're point ?

 

[orioto]

I see there is a tendency to expose every french silly racist or antimuslim act lately, as for every charlie tasteless joke..

You're not realizing guys you think you're casually practicing internet shaming but you're part of something bigger unfortunately..

Let's put the emphasis on every thing from France that will amplify the discomfort to be Muslim in Europe and give more fuel to the terrorists, go on go on..

 

[Golden_Pigeon]

Are you kidding me? My wife is French. Her grandparents still live there. And as it turns out the country has been extremely peaceful for an extended period of time, even towards immigrants. The terrorist attacks were definitely the catalyst.

I guess you never heard of the 2005 suburbs revolts.
Or the 2002 victory of the far-right.
But, yeah, the issue started with the attacks of 2015, i guess...

People just needed an excuse to unleash what they really have inside. If it was anything rational, muslims unity with non-muslims would be celebrated. Thousands of muslims marched against terrorism in the suburub and it's was a "no-news" because nobody care.

I recall you that 30 percent of the victime of the nice attack were muslims, but i guess it doesn't matter, the group must pay for the actions of less than 10 people.

 

[God Dayumm]

I see there is a tendency to expose every french silly racist or antimuslim act lately, as for every charlie tasteless joke..

You're not realizing guys you think you're casually practicing internet shaming but you're part of something bigger unfortunately..

Let's put the emphasis on every thing from France that will amplify the discomfort to be Muslim in Europe and give more fuel to the terrorists, go on go on..

This kind of argument always comes from one side or the other. But exposing racism does not fuel terrorists, and exposing terrorist attacks does not fuel terrorists either. Ignorance is what fuels terrorists, not information. Information is the most effective weapon against terrorists and racists alike.

 

[malingenie]

It's not hard to see the precursor conditions that could lead young people to be attracted to terrorism. I mean, am I taking crazy pills here? This is one of the root causes of terrorism right here, way easier to spot than something inherent with the religion.

 

[SENPAIatLARGE]

When French people insist that they arent racist, and have legitimate reasons to be afraid, there are 6 easy steps a muslim can take in response so no feathers are rustled.

Nice paraphrasing. Bravo! Were these women assaulted? Were they murdered? Or were they just denied entry to a restaurant?

Does that make it acceptible? No, it doesnt. But if you make an attempt to understand why this happened, you can get to the root cause and maybe, just maybe, we can try to change it.

You are truly a precious little poster, with such insightful opinions on religous and racial oppresion. I mean, when Black people were denied entrance to resteraunts it wasnt a big deal. Whites were justified in their fear of minorities.

Spoiler

/s

 

[Golden_Pigeon]

Islamophobia fuel terrorism and terrorism fuel islamophobia.
Not reporting either of them won't change anything, what will is the right explanation and putting things in perspective.

Justifying bigoted actions by terrorism in France is exactly what will do some muslims youngsters when we speak about Paris attack and they speak to you about muslim being killed in Syria, Palestine or Central African Republic.

Humanity is just the same everywhere.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

I see there is a tendency to expose every french silly racist or antimuslim act lately, as for every charlie tasteless joke..

You're not realizing guys you think you're casually practicing internet shaming but you're part of something bigger unfortunately..

Let's put the emphasis on every thing from France that will amplify the discomfort to be Muslim in Europe and give more fuel to the terrorists, go on go on..

So, the racist and folks that hate Muslims aren't the cause. It's the people discussing the racism and hatred that will stoke the flames.

 

[orioto]

This kind of argument always comes from one side or the other. But exposing racism does not fuel terrorists, and exposing terrorist attacks does not fuel terrorists either. Ignorance is what fuels terrorists, not information. Information is the most effective weapon against terrorists and racists alike.

Information is selective. It goes by fad, there is always a wind blowing a certain way.
i'm sure somewhere in USA or somewhere else in Europe Muslims meet bigotry and racism right now. But news always comes in sequels, so there isn't a week on GAF without a thread about a charlie drawing, or the burkini story, and today this one. Don't you see there is a trend here ? OMG France hate Muslims, from a foreigner point of view.. So everything will be exposed more when it's from France suddenly. Charlie is anti-muslim, France is anti-muslim. Hell France actually harasses Muslims now..

Same as when Fox was speaking about no go zones in Paris.. Things are not like that. Everything is done in France to prevent things anti-muslims, to. I live near a big muslim center and cops are protecting it on Friday. Medias ? They never ever (at least the one i watch) bring the "muslim question" when there is an attack. They don't ask muslims to justify themselves or to say "we're not daesh". This is old news.

But there is clearly a desire to show France as the worst anti-muslim place in Europe. For what, To justify the attacks ?

The thing is there are racist acts everywhere, but why on an american site like GAF so many French ones are exposed so many times ? Cause that's the actual narrative..

 

[SENPAIatLARGE]

I see there is a tendency to expose every french silly racist or antimuslim act lately, as for every charlie tasteless joke..

You're not realizing guys you think you're casually practicing internet shaming but you're part of something bigger unfortunately..

Let's put the emphasis on every thing from France that will amplify the discomfort to be Muslim in Europe and give more fuel to the terrorists, go on go on..

I love that these threads serve the purpose of outing all the racists and islamaphobes on GAF.

 

[VendettaRed07]

This is how you radicalize someone

Perhaps there is some truth to this, not to single anyone out or anything, but I'm not quite of fan of when people say this.

Like it just seems sort of demeaning to me. Like Muslims are gremlins or something. "Remember, don't feed them after midnight or else they go crazy!"

I think we can make the argument of why the behavior and bigotry people display towards Muslims is completely unacceptable and why people should not be doing it without some sort of weighted threat that loosely reinforces the "Muslims are going to come and get you" narrative. Like it just seems wrong to assert these women will now join ISIS because someone was an asshole to them.

But maybe I'm off base here, I dunno.

 

[GuessMyUserName]

I see there is a tendency to expose every french silly racist or antimuslim act lately, as for every charlie tasteless joke..

You're not realizing guys you think you're casually practicing internet shaming but you're part of something bigger unfortunately..

Let's put the emphasis on every thing from France that will amplify the discomfort to be Muslim in Europe and give more fuel to the terrorists, go on go on..

Silence doesn't stop these issues from happening. Silence just says that society doesn't care. You think if we don't talk about it they won't notice what's going on? Even if that were the case you think the terrorists wouldn't point it out, along with the fact that nobody cares?

"Internet shaming" racists? Fucking GOOD, they're beyond shameful actions and the restaurant owner should know better.

 

[Golden_Pigeon]

Same as when Fox was speaking about no go zones in Paris.. Things are not like that. Everything is done in France to prevent things anti-muslims, to. I live near a big muslim center and cops are protecting it on Friday. Medias ? They never ever (at least the one i watch) bring the "muslim question" when there is an attack. They don't ask muslims to justify themselves or to say "we're not daesh". This is old news.

So why french muslims clerics targeted by Daesh official magazine are not generating national outcry or solidarity ?

I have to say that that police presence in front of the mosques every friday make you wonder if they are protecting you, and protecting from you.
But i guess it's the former...

For the media bias looking for the spectacula and the divise, their is nothing new here, media won't care to show muslims condemning Daesh or non muslims having good relations with muslims, who would watch something like that ?

 

[Golden_Pigeon]

Perhaps there is some truth to this, not to single anyone out or anything, but I'm not quite of fan of when people say this.

Like it just seems sort of demeaning to me. Like Muslims are gremlins or something. "Remember, don't feed them after midnight or else they go crazy!"

I think we can make the argument of why the behavior and bigotry people display towards Muslims is completely unacceptable and why people should not be doing it without some sort of weighted threat that loosely reinforces the "Muslims are going to come and get you" narrative. Like it just seems wrong to assert these women will now join ISIS because someone was an asshole to them.

But maybe I'm off base here, I dunno.

Clearly not, but you can be sure that ISIS propaganda will take the info, and that for any destabilized youth who were on the bringe to join ISIS, that can be the trigger.
If you read the testimony of any of those guys, or speak with them, they are always fueling themselves with these kind of news or killing in muslims places. They invent a metaphysical muslim victims to justify their own "heroic" posture.

 

[Kilrogg]

Why haven't the moderate french issued an official apology yet?

You mean French muslims? Or French people in general? Or was that a joke?

 

[collige]

Perhaps there is some truth to this, not to single anyone out or anything, but I'm not quite of fan of when people say this.

Like it just seems sort of demeaning to me. Like Muslims are gremlins or something. "Remember, don't feed them after midnight or else they go crazy!"

I think we can make the argument of why the behavior and bigotry people display towards Muslims is completely unacceptable and why people should not be doing it without some sort of weighted threat that loosely reinforces the "Muslims are going to come and get you" narrative. Like it just seems wrong to assert these women will now join ISIS because someone was an asshole to them.

But maybe I'm off base here, I dunno.

I think that it's true overall, but it's a far weaker argument than the primary issue which is that racist acts are a really shitty thing to do. If someone is unmoved by the moral argument, then I think it's fair to bring up the utilitarian issues (i.e. the people you're oppressing will eventually not act in a way that's in your best interest).

 

[malingenie]

Perhaps there is some truth to this, not to single anyone out or anything, but I'm not quite of fan of when people say this.

Like it just seems sort of demeaning to me. Like Muslims are gremlins or something. "Remember, don't feed them after midnight or else they go crazy!"

I think we can make the argument of why the behavior and bigotry people display towards Muslims is completely unacceptable and why people should not be doing it without some sort of weighted threat that loosely reinforces the "Muslims are going to come and get you" narrative. Like it just seems wrong to assert these women will now join ISIS because someone was an asshole to them.

But maybe I'm off base here, I dunno.

It's not something inherent to muslims. By ostracizing and insulting Christians we create fringe elements. By insulting and ostracizing gun owners, we create fringe elements. The insulting and ostracizing of muslims around the world is very intense right now. Nothing wrong with seeing the causal link of hate and racism and fringe recruitment. It's what recruiters prey on!

 

[Alx]

Silence doesn't stop these issues from happening. Silence just says that society doesn't care. You think if we don't talk about it they won't notice what's going on? Even if that were the case you think the terrorists wouldn't point it out, along with the fact that nobody cares?

"Internet shaming" racists? Fucking GOOD, they're beyond shameful actions and the restaurant owner should know better.

Internet shaming won't solve the problem. Calling the cops and applying the law will, and as a matter of fact that's exactly what happened.
Come on we all know how "the internet" behaves now, do you really trust the YouTube/4chan/Facebook/Neogaf community to create peace in the world ? It's all dramatic headlines, incomplete information and false shortcuts. And it's perfectly convenient to fit the agenda of the people we're supposed to fight, "see, westerners hate us muslims and harass us, come and join us so that we can fight them !".