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[VlaudTheImpaler]

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but aren't these differences going to be even more apparent on an actually 4K display? Because the comparison shot already looks pretty blurry for the PS4andwitch as it is, when viewing it on my 1080p screen. I'd think that as the screen got bigger the differences would stand out more than a native shot... Is this not true?

Does the native screen that you view these kinds of comparisons from really not matter?

 

[RK9039]

You won't be able to tell the difference anyway beyond 50 inches.

 

[potatohead]

40-50fps actually.

Well it is a $650 GPU alone.

If it didn't run better than a $399 console I'd be running for the hills.

 

[Arklite]

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but aren't these differences going to be even more apparent on an actually 4K display? Because the comparison shot already looks pretty blurry for the PS4andwitch as it is, when viewing it on my 1080p screen. I'd think that as the screen got bigger the differences would stand out more than a native shot... Is this not true?

Does the native screen that you view these kinds of comparisons from really not matter?

People say 1080p content on 4K displays has some real benefits, so perhaps this upscale may put up even better results despite not being as sharp as true 4K content. It's a compromise solution so the broad end results are up in the air.

 

[Inuhanyou]

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but aren't these differences going to be even more apparent on an actually 4K display? Because the comparison shot already looks pretty blurry for the PS4andwitch as it is, when viewing it on my 1080p screen. I'd think that as the screen got bigger the differences would stand out more than a native shot... Is this not true?

Does the native screen that you view these kinds of comparisons from really not matter?

Your comparing it to a native 4K screen. If you compared it to a 1080p rendered shot on PS4 or PC for example, it would be a different story

 

[Equanimity]

Based of off Leadbetter's impressions on DF yesterday, it sounds like the Pro version of Deus Ex needs a lot of work compared to the other games on display. Maybe Nixxes can help out there too.

Did you notice the 20.3fps in the top left corner?

 

[Evo X]

Well it is a $650 GPU alone.

If it didn't run better than a $399 console I'd be running for the hills.

That's 40-50fps at max 4K.

What is this bullshit of comparing checkerboard high settings at 30fps to it?

If you're going to judge PC gaming on prices, you should at least see the performance it gets at identical settings instead of moving the goalposts to the very top of the spectrum.

Everyone is overlooking the compromises on the console side, but it's apparently the end of the world if the framerate on PC drops from 60 to 58 or a single setting has to be turned down.

 

[ViolentP]

Well it is a $650 GPU alone.

If it didn't run better than a $399 console I'd be running for the hills.

I wasn't contending that they were even remotely close in performance, only correcting the person I quoted when he stated the game would pull 2fps when the reality is that it is much, much higher.

 

[Beerman462]

That's 40-50fps at max 4K.

What is this bullshit of comparing checkerboard high settings at 30fps to it?

If you're going to judge PC gaming on prices, you should at least see the performance it gets at identical settings instead of moving the goalposts to the very top of the spectrum.

Everyone is overlooking the compromises on the console side, but it's apparently the end of the world if the framerate on PC drops from 60 to 58 or a single setting has to be turned down.

Yeah the "Even a top end GPU can't run 4K/60fps

Spoiler

at max settings

so this $400 console running 4K

Spoiler

inda at 30fps with lower settings

is really impressive!" posts are weird.

I think Sony did a great job developing a process to produce totally decent 4K image from a low cost box. People need to stop pretending it some how compares to high end PC hardware. It just doesn't.

I wasn't contending that they were even remotely close in performance, only correcting the person I quoted when he stated the game would pull 2fps when the reality is that it is much, much higher.

Yeah even the 1070 can run RotTR at native 4K 30fps at max settings. It's only $400.

 

[TGO]

Nevermind says in the OP

 

[jim2point0]

You really need native high resolution rendering to see this game's assets in all their glory

 

[Momentary]

That's 40-50fps at max 4K.

What is this bullshit of comparing checkerboard high settings at 30fps to it?

If you're going to judge PC gaming on prices, you should at least see the performance it gets at identical settings instead of moving the goalposts to the very top of the spectrum.

Everyone is overlooking the compromises on the console side, but it's apparently the end of the world if the framerate on PC drops from 60 to 58 or a single setting has to be turned down.

Don't get suckered into this man.

 

[Forever Changes]

You really need native high resolution rendering to see this game's assets in all their glory

Oh my.

 

[Kageshinzo]

Really good for a system that's probably a third of the price of that PC.

You seriously think it needs a $1,200 rig to carry that? This would most likely be enough, and if you don't mind not having an SSD, slash it down further.

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/TB6RKZ

 

[fart town usa]

Both look good.

Both look unimpressive.

Spoiler

Lackluster screenshot is lackluster.

 

[Forever Changes]

Both look good.

Both look unimpressive.

My mind.

 

[n0razi]

Where are you getting the mainstream PC gamer statistics from?

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/

 

[Momentary]

I don't know... 4K doesn't look like it's that big of a deal. I'd rather just have 1080p with all the bells and whistles and smooth gameplay if I was on a lower end machine and/or PS4Pro

 

[lowhighkang_LHK]

Of course 4k native looks more sharp, but for $400 it looks really good!

Oh hey, a reasonable post!

Somebody ban him quick!

I think it's obvious that something that's doing a native res in-between 1440p and 2160p isn't going to look as sharp as something that is doing 2160p native. Water is wet, too.

 

[Chill Penguin]

They should have waited a year and released a machine that can do native 4k. This seems like a rushed, half baked product right down to the big mac design. Was anyone clamoring for a PS4 upgrade? It hasnt even been 3 years since PS4 was released. Why not wait and give us a more substantial product next year? PS4P is the upgrade no one asked for.

 

[Not]

Oh man. I hope this doesn't force people to choose a side between PC and console again. Remember that? Man, that was pretty ridiculous, huh?

 

[RedAssedApe]

They should have waited a year and released a machine that can do native 4k. This seems like a rushed, half baked product right down to the big mac design. Was anyone clamoring for a PS4 upgrade? It hasnt even been 3 years since PS4 was released. Why not wait and give us a more substantial product next year? PS4P is the upgrade no one asked for.

except everyone was foaming at the mouth when the leak happened and pre-scorpio. "not as good as i wanted" now equals "no one wanted this" lmao

 

[Rellik]

They should have waited a year and released a machine that can do native 4k. This seems like a rushed, half baked product right down to the big mac design. Was anyone clamoring for a PS4 upgrade? It hasnt even been 3 years since PS4 was released. Why not wait and give us a more substantial product next year? PS4P is the upgrade no one asked for.

I asked for this.

 

[wumster3000]

Looks good for a $400 box. Sticking with my PC as my main and a PS4 Pro as second in command.

 

[bryanee]

They should have waited a year and released a machine that can do native 4k. This seems like a rushed, half baked product right down to the big mac design. Was anyone clamoring for a PS4 upgrade? It hasnt even been 3 years since PS4 was released. Why not wait and give us a more substantial product next year? PS4P is the upgrade no one asked for.

lol speak for yourself.

 

[thelastword]

The 4k comparisons going fwd are going to be very very interesting

Yes, very interesting, I also believe that HDR combined with close enough upscales near native 4k is going to make PRO games look very interesting.

Admittedly, the differences are fairly minor considering the hardware differences between the PS4 Pro and the PC where this screenshot was grabbed.

I do think the lighting on the .Pro version looks better, it may be HDR at play here. And yes, what you're getting with .Pro here as opposed to what you have to pay to run this game at 4k on a PC is so much more.

FYI, I just downloaded the two HQ videos from Square Enix of the Pro version, what has impressed me most here is that the IQ has improved greatly, the nasty shimmering is gone on the PS4.Pro version, this was the most distracting thing that I saw on the XB1 version and many PC comparisons before it.....

Both of those screenshots look fucking amazing to me. Yeah sure the lighting etc is reduced on the top one but if they weren't side by side I certainly wouldn't be disappointed with either.

Deus Ex looks sharper on PC but, it's also running at 20fps on PC. I believe it looks very good on the .Pro with good AA, I'm also thinking it's W.I.P, and maybe HDR features are not fully implemented yet or tweaked. Lighting and colors just look slightly muted atm...

 

[Sad Affleck]

Pretty damn solid for $399.

My thoughts as well. Sony hit a good price point with the PS4 Pro.

 

[Muppet of a Man]

Doesn't look too shabby for $400.00. Good for people with 4k televisions. I'll stick with my baseline PS4 until the real next gen comes along. The console iterations at that point will be the only ones I consider. None of this mid-generation nonsense. Though, I don't fault newcomers to this gen for purchasing the up-tier version of the PS4 (or Scorpio for XB1).

 

[Inuhanyou]

They should have waited a year and released a machine that can do native 4k. This seems like a rushed, half baked product right down to the big mac design. Was anyone clamoring for a PS4 upgrade? It hasnt even been 3 years since PS4 was released. Why not wait and give us a more substantial product next year? PS4P is the upgrade no one asked for.

Nah. 399 is a good price, and its a good time to release it.

 

[BroBot]

I don't know... 4K doesn't look like it's that big of a deal. I'd rather just have 1080p with all the bells and whistles and smooth gameplay if I was on a lower end machine and/or PS4Pro

It's something you have to see in person.

 

[Gunslinger]

for a system that cost 399.99 the quality it seems to produce its good. That PC which is displaying the native 4k must cost over a thousand. PS4 pro seems to me a really good value for your dollar. Inb4 you need a 4k TV to display ps4 pro max capability but you also need a 4k monitor/tv to display the PC image right?

 

[fluffydelusions]

It's something you have to see in person.

This. Just like when I got my 144hz monitor...I was like...oh my

 

[Kageshinzo]

And yes, what you're getting with .Pro here as opposed to what you have to pay to run this game at 4k on a PC is so much more.

Kind of disingenuous, don't you think, considering that the "4K" here in the Pro isn't really true 4K? I wouldn't be surprised if a computer using a GTX 1060 (at $299) can achieve similar "PS4 Pro 4K" results running at solid 30 FPS.

 

[Momentary]

I do experience it in person. >.> That's my picture. Me personally I like to have 1440p @ 90~120fps with everything cranked up

 

[gofreak]

They should have waited a year and released a machine that can do native 4k.

A console machine that would do all games in native 4K isn't likely any time soon, at least not without a platform mandate and still not without compromises. By that standard, half-baked this year, half-baked next year.

In reality, from first hand impressions from people even used to native 4K on very high end PCs, Pro seems to be able to drive 4K TVs in a very impressive fashion. It seems to be a huge upgrade over the standard PS4, for very little more money than the previous price, exactly half way through a typical console cycle. All of that considered they may have hit a sweet spot.

 

[Exile20]

The colors are washed out and blown out and it is blurrier

 

[zoukka]

Gimme 1080p, 60fps and HDR.

4K doesn't seem to give significant improvements to the final image. The clarity and playability is more than fine in 2K.

 

[MagicWithEarvin]

Gimme 1080p, 60fps and HDR.

4K doesn't seem to give significant improvements to the final image. The clarity and playability is more than fine in 2K.

If you haven't seen it in person yet, native 4K on a 32" IPS panel is glorious. I can't go back to 1080p after moving to 4K goodness on PC. Next big upgrade for me will be a 4K IPS with G-Sync and 144 Hz - it's going to be expensive as hell, though.

 

[wapplew]

I think this give as a rough idea of Pro vs Scorpio graphical comparison.
Maybe not at MAX PC level, but Scorpio will be around that quality.
IMO, it's not that drastic. People looking for "obvious" jump will be disappointed.

 

[gofreak]

The colors are washed out and blown out and it is blurrier

The colours may actually be more accurate - but only because the PC shot is missing some reflections from the flare ( apparently a cutscene bug). Looking at video, they seem to treat lighting so it has an extra 'haze' to it as an attempt at simulating light transmissive properties through the air ... A 'haziness' which is being cast around on the Pro shot but not the PC shot.

The underlying image is softer, but perceptually those factors should probably be taken into account in the comparison. You're getting some wash-out relative to the PC shot because of a missing effect on PC, not solely because of sampling techniques & res.

 

[zoukka]

If you haven't seen it in person yet, native 4K on a 32" IPS panel is glorious. I can't go back to 1080p after moving to 4K goodness on PC. Next big upgrade for me will be a 4K IPS with G-Sync and 144 Hz - it's going to be expensive as hell, though.

Yeah if I could achieve 4K with good performance, I would jump in, but my PC isn't beefy enough and PS4 Pro isn't beefy enough.

So I'll stick to 1080p and stable performance.

I think this give as a rough idea of Pro vs Scorpio graphical comparison.
Maybe not at MAX PC level, but Scorpio will be around that quality.
IMO, it's not that drastic. People looking for "obvious" jump will be disappointed.

Biggest difference will be in performance and that's what matters the most.

 

[wapplew]

Biggest difference will be in performance and that's what matters the most.

I agree. If we talking about 60fps vs 30fps on most games, it will matters to most enthusiast.

 

[zoukka]

I agree. If we talking about 60fps vs 30fps on most games, it will matters to most enthusiast.

Looking at console wars in the past two generations, just a few FPS more makes a big difference for hardcore gamers. That's what decides which version you get of multiplayer games.

 

[wapplew]

Looking at console wars in the past two generations, just a few FPS more makes a big difference for hardcore gamers. That's what decides which version you get of multiplayer games.

If we break those down, most biggest selling multiplayer games like COD,BF,FIFA,NBA2K already running 60fps and will continue to run 60fps on Pro.
Scorpio might get more stable frame rate, it will be deciding factor for those who really care. But I think 60fps stable vs 60fps with drop it's not 30fps vs 60fps big.

 

[Auto-Reply]

When you destroy the image quality of the 4k native screenshot... I actually can see no difference anymore, impressive!

 

[Espada]

If you haven't seen it in person yet, native 4K on a 32" IPS panel is glorious. I can't go back to 1080p after moving to 4K goodness on PC. Next big upgrade for me will be a 4K IPS with G-Sync and 144 Hz - it's going to be expensive as hell, though.

Oh, 4K with HDR on a nice OLED set is a fucking revelation.

But I'm with zoukka in that I'd much rather max the ever living fuck out of a game at 1080p/1440p with crazy framerates than run at 4K ~38-40 fps.

Once we get affordable graphics cards that can do 4K@60fps easily, then 4K will be worth it in my eyes.

 

[dark10x]

Based of off Leadbetter's impressions on DF yesterday, it sounds like the Pro version of Deus Ex needs a lot of work compared to the other games on display. Maybe Nixxes can help out there too.

Having spent a lot of time examining the game it's clear that there is a drop in terms of settings but it WOULD look much better IF you could turn off that awful sharpening filter. Cannot stress that enough. At 1080p on PS4, the game looks quite awful image quality wise due to this 'feature'.

 

[Shaanyboi]

Oh man. I hope this doesn't force people to choose a side between PC and console again. Remember that? Man, that was pretty ridiculous, huh?

You act like it ever went away...

 

[gofreak]

Biggest difference will be in performance and that's what matters the most.

Guesstimating here but it might be an either/or. Parts more powerful than the Scorpio spec e.g. 7tflop/384GB/s can achieve the PC result in the OP but with dips to the mid 20s at times. So an all out fidelity push and a performance edge may not go hand in hand. That said, we've no idea what Crystal Dynamic's performance tolerances on PS4 Pro are either...maybe it's terrible

 

[icecold1983]

it was a given that pspro would not match the sharpness and clarity of native 4k so i dont understand all the backlash over this comparison. it is an improvement over 1440p which is highly impressive given the hardware on offer. as pointed out by dictator and others, we dont know if theres an improved aa method on offer or if they are alternating samples when doing the checkerboard reconstruction but the IQ is far better than native 1440p of the pc version. if this reconstruction technique adds some kind of temporal aa as a by product that would be great as sharpness is still above 1440p.