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[killatopak]

Duterte won the elections because all the other candidates was simply incompetent.

Out of all the candidates, he had the best track record especially having the safest city in the Philippines as his credential. There may be records of bad stuff that he did but it was all swept under the rug because the people were hyped.

But that's the thing friend. The local media and the international one are reporting the same thing. Read a newspaper.

Also the hearings are bullshit. Every time I watch one of those I'm reminded how petty our politicians are. Name one instance a senate hearing amounted to anything.

The hearings are great because they also discuss some of the recent events that are written in the news. They present them better because they have first hand information.

I only watch the news whenever I eat at the dinner and the people in my house are watching tv waiting for the dramas to come up so I get a few glances at the news but when I do, I compare them to the ones discussed in the hearing and they are either greatly exaggerated or minimized.

 

[aeolist]

About 175 journalists have been killed in the Philippines since 1986, ranking it among the most dangerous places to work in the news business.

Duterte addressed reporters on Tuesday in the southern city of Davao, where his loud approval of hundreds of execution-style killings of drug users and criminals over nearly two decades helped propel him to the highest office.

"Most of you are clean, but do not ever say all journalists are clean," he said. "Just because you are a journalist, you are not exempted from assassination if you are a son of a bitch."

"... Most of those killed, to be frank, have done something. You won't be killed if you don't do anything wrong."

if you are making excuses for this man you are a bad person, full stop

 

[bakedpony]

Duerterte is a monster. He isn't better than any of those people.

Even if you think murdering drug users and drug dealers is a good idea (which is insane), he has created a climate where innocent people can be murdered without consequence so long as their murderers label them as drug users or drug dealers. People can settle scores against 'innocent' (quotes that drug users and drug users should still be innocent until proven guilty as well) people as well.

You thinking that he is better than any of those candidates just shows your complete disregard for the lives that are being lost thanks to this lunatic.

I don't think murdering them is good at all, I never said I supported the killing.

If somebody else won, there will be no talks aboit drugs. The drug business will continue and will keep on getting worse as it continues to spread.

 

[agentofatlas]

Believe it or not, he was the best candidate. There was actually a better one but she was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer 2 years ago and sadly passed away last Friday.

I liked Miriam but her endorsement of Marcos is a black mark on her. Roxas could have won if Poe endorsed him.

Anyways, I liked Poe more. Had an encounter with her that showed her character.

 

[Username1198]

Believe it or not, he was the best candidate. There was actually a better one but she was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer 2 years ago and sadly passed away last Friday.

The best candidate is a psychopathic killer?

I thought the US was bad.....

 

[bakedpony]

if you are making excuses for this man you are a bad person, full stop

He says a lot of stupid things 'nuff said. He also tends to exaggerate a lot of his stupid statements like that.

 

[aeolist]

He says a lot of stupid things 'nuff said. He also tends to exaggerate a lot of his stupid statements like that.

he advocates for vigilante murders. he is responsible for hundreds if not thousands of dead civilians.

fuck him and fuck you.

 

[bakedpony]

I liked Miriam but her endorsement of Marcos is a black mark on her. Roxas could have won if Poe endorsed him.

Anyways, I liked Poe more. Had an encounter with her that showed her character.

What really affected Miriam's candidacy was her cancer. RIP to an amazing woman.

 

[Ozigizo]

If somebody else won, there will be no talks aboit drugs. The drug business will continue and will keep on getting worse as it continues to spread.

And maybe 4000 possibly innocent people would have been awarded due process.

There's no way to make this seem like a good thing.

 

[killatopak]

The best candidate is a psychopathic killer?

I thought the US was bad.....

Majority of the people didn't even know he had past records of saying or doing killing in davao city. They only knew that the city he governed was the safest and had good economy. I mean if you look back at what the media presented before he became a president, they only said good things. There was no DDS news that was covered. He came off as a mayor who did things hands-on and responded to things very quickly.
The only bad news about him that exploded was him rape joke. At the very least, that's what I personally saw.

That's why a lot of people are surprised about a lot of this issues coming up especially with how they are linked in the past.

 

[bakedpony]

he advocates for vigilante murders. he is responsible for hundreds if not thousands of dead civilians.

fuck him and fuck you.

How very civil of you.

 

[titiklabingapat]

Duterte won the elections because all the other candidates was simply incompetent.

Out of all the candidates, he had the best track record especially having the safest city in the Philippines as his credential. There may be records of bad stuff that he did but it was all swept under the rug because the people were hyped.

See, this is handwaving. There is no justifiable reason to say that a murderous sycophant is 'better' than every other candidate. Not in any rational world anyway.

 

[Hypron]

he advocates for vigilante murders. he is responsible for hundreds if not thousands of dead civilians.

fuck him.

I understand the frustration but don't get banned over this, edit your post.

 

[bakedpony]

And maybe 4000 possibly innocent people would have been awarded due process.

There's no way to make this seem like a good thing.

I agree it's bad. But letting the drug problem worsen is not good either.

And again a lof the killings are suspected to be done by drug syndicates themselves as a means of internal cleansing (ie silencing). Most people ignore that of course the things he say don't help

 

[killatopak]

See, this is handwaving. There is no justifiable reason to say that a murderous sycophant is 'better' than every other candidate. Not in any rational world anyway.

See my above post. Majority didn't know how he governed. They only knew the result. What the media portrayed him as didn't help either.

 

[titiklabingapat]

I don't think murdering them is good at all, I never said I supported the killing.

If somebody else won, there will be no talks aboit drugs. The drug business will continue and will keep on getting worse as it continues to spread.

The 'drug problem' is manufactured bullshit. Or at least, it's what the Filipino voting public latched into. It's a clear case of mass hysteria, the same way sex crimes and Stranger Danger were being used in the USA, There were no indications that the Philippines was suffering a drug problem more than a comparable country. This isn't Mexico or Colombia in their shit days.

See my above post. Majority didn't know how he governed. They only knew the result. What the media portrayed him as didn't help either.

Nah, the media knew of the Davao Death Squad and played it up plenty. The problem was that the voters didn't care. Indeed, they even celebrated it.

 

[agentofatlas]

Duterte won the elections because all the other candidates was simply incompetent.

Out of all the candidates, he had the best track record especially having the safest city in the Philippines as his credential. There may be records of bad stuff that he did but it was all swept under the rug because the people were hyped.



The hearings are great because they also discuss some of the recent events that are written in the news. They present them better because they have first hand information.

I only watch the news whenever I eat at the dinner and the people in my house are watching tv waiting for the dramas to come up so I get a few glances at the news but when I do, I compare them to the ones discussed in the hearing and they are either greatly exaggerated or minimized.

Safest city according to who? What does that even mean? Has he eliminated the drug problem in Davao? And if he hasn't why does he think he can do it for the whole country?

Also I keep hearing about about this increasing drug problem in the Philippines. Can I see some numbers? Cause last I checked it was actually going down ever since the Arroyo admin.

Also about the hearings, I don't know how you can take that shit seriously. Its a great comedy show where you can see each politicians agenda but also devoid of any fairness or fact checking. Lacson was right. It's waste of time.

 

[bakedpony]

The 'drug problem' is manufactured bullshit. There were no indications that the Philippines was suffering more than a comparable country. This isn't Mexico or Colombia in their shit days.

Of course it exists which is why we are talking about it right now. More than 700000 addicts have surrendered and voluntarily entered rehab. That's a a good thing!


The number of drug killings show that there really is a problem. I'm not saying killing them is the solution (it's not) but the problem is real. A lot of meth labs have also been discovered and shut down recently.

 

[killatopak]

Nah, the media knew of the Davao Death Squad and played it up plenty. The problem was that the voters didn't care. Indeed, they even celebrated it.

WTF?! I thought it was new.

Personally, the first time I heard of the term DDS was only through the recent hearings. Damn. I wonder if his voters are regretting now.

Safest city according to who? What does that even mean? Has he eliminated the drug problem in Davao? And if he hasn't why does he think he can do it for the whole country?

Also I keep hearing about about this increasing drug problem in the Philippines. Can I see some numbers? Cause last I checked it was actually going down ever since the Arroyo admin.

Also about the hearings, I don't know how you can take that shit seriously. Its a great comedy show where you can see each politicians agenda but also devoid of any fairness or fact checking. Lawson was right. It's waste of time.

There was a lot of facebook posts that linked to website that show the rankings. I vaguely remember numbeo was one of the sites.

I want to say it's a waste of time but it's the only place where you get to hear what officials are saying. Besides it's a good time killer with how laughable it is sometimes.

 

[titiklabingapat]

Yeah, crime and drug crimes were actually flat if not declining over the past few years, thanks to sustained economic growth. The perceived 'drug problem' simply didn't exist.

WTF?! I thought it was new.

Personally, the first time I heard of the term DDS was only through the recent hearings. Damn. I wonder if his voters are regretting now.

Nope. I live in the USA but we get TFC and GMA. The media did a good job not letting every stone unturned. The troubling thing was that it didn't seem to matter, and was in fact used by his supporters to justify *why* he should be president. I've lost faith in the Filipino people because of this reason.

 

[Piecake]

I don't think murdering them is good at all, I never said I supported the killing.

If somebody else won, there will be no talks aboit drugs. The drug business will continue and will keep on getting worse as it continues to spread.

You support it for thinking that Duerterte was the best candidate. This isn't some policy position that you disagree with your preferred candidate. It is straight up vigilante murder.

You can't vote for Hitler and say you don't approve of murdering Jews while still thinking that Hitler was the best candidate.

Moreover, I think anyone who approves of this sort of hard-line strategy to stop drugs and think the ends justify the means is completely full of shit if they aren't also willing to be part of the collateral damage to make this change happen. No one ever is though, so they are all full of shit, and are perfectly fine if other people get murdered in the process so that they can have a 'better' place to live.

 

[aeolist]

I understand the frustration but don't get banned over this, edit your post.

if i get banned for being angry at apologists for mass killings while said apologists remain unbanned then i don't want to be here anyway

 

[agentofatlas]

Of course it exists which is why we are talking about it right now. More than 700000 addicts have surrendered and voluntarily entered rehab. That's a a good thing!


The number of drug killings show that there really is a problem. I'm not saying killing them is the solution (it's not) but the problem is real. A lot of meth labs have also been discovered and shut down recently.

No bro. The number of killings does not indicate a drug problem. The number of killings indicate that we have a problem in due process.

Do you know where those supposed 70000 or whatever number came from? How do we know these are real drug addicts and not just scared folks who just doesn't want any trouble?

 

[titiklabingapat]

The number of drug killings show that there really is a problem. I'm not saying killing them is the solution (it's not) but the problem is real. A lot of meth labs have also been discovered and shut down recently.

This is putting the buggy before the horse situation.

You are literally saying that the killings, which are being encouraged and perpetrated by his administration, are the reasons why these killings should exist in the first place!

 

[Ozigizo]

The number of drug killings show that there really is a problem. I'm not saying killing them is the solution (it's not) but the problem is real. A lot of meth labs have also been discovered and shut down recently.

"Mass murder is fine as long as it solves the problem!"

Wow, man. You should really take a moment to rethink this. You are buying in to a facist government's Propaganda machine.

 

[bakedpony]

No bro. The number of killings does not indicate a drug problem. The number of killings indicate that we have a problem in due process.

Do you know where those supposed 70000 or whatever number came from? How do we know these are real drug addicts and not just scared folks who just doesn't want any trouble?

Actually that's supposed to be 700000 not 70000. Media covered some of those events and had random interviews. They admitted they were users and were indeed scared of being killed which is why they surrendered

For those that were killed, most of the victim's loved ones would admit that the victim was into drugs too. Of course there are those wherein the loved ones would say that the victim did not have a weapon and was summarily killed which is unacceptable.

 

[bakedpony]

"Mass murder is fine as long as it solves the problem!"

Wow, man. You should really take a moment to rethink this. You are buying in to a facist government's Propaganda machine.

I never said that please read again.

 

[agentofatlas]

WTF?! I thought it was new.

Personally, the first time I heard of the term DDS was only through the recent hearings. Damn. I wonder if his voters are regretting now.



There was a lot of facebook posts that linked to website that show the rankings. I vaguely remember numbeo was one of the sites.

I want to say it's a waste of time but it's the only place where you get to hear what officials are saying. Besides it's a good time killer with how laughable it is sometimes.

I've seen that list in Facebook but you know that the website that list them as such is a contributor-based website. Check it out. So I wouldn't call that as fact. Also please don't get your news from Facebook. If there's one thing that annoys me about duterte followers is that they constantly link you to some shit blog website passing it on as news.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

How very civil of you.

I'm sorry, but is this performance art?

This is literally:

This is literally you right now.

How is this happening.

What happened to the world.

 

[Silver Arrows]

It's amazing to see how easily Duterte has thrown the wool over people's eyes and made them support a mass murderer.

Then again, it's why facism still survives today. Turning the common man who is pretty smart into a mindless drone.

 

[titiklabingapat]

Actually that's supposed to be 700000 not 70000. Media covered some of those events and had random interviews. They admitted they were users and were indeed scared of being killed which is why they surrendered

For those that were killed, most of the victim's loved ones would admit that the victim was into drugs too. Of course there are those wherein the loved ones would say that the victim did not have a weapon and was summarily killed which is unacceptable.

There is still no justifiable way, shape, form or reason this is A-okay. Like at all. We have courts and due process, remember? The Philippines is not some lawless country out in the middle of Africa. At least it shouldn't be aspiring of being one anyway.

 

[Ozigizo]

I never said that please read again.

You said it proves there's a problem. The only problem it proves is that there are a bunch of murderous assholes getting the 'ok' to sate their bloodlust as long as as they tie a stupid cardboard sign around the victims neck.

 

[bakedpony]

There is still no justifiable way, shape, form or reason this is A-okay. Like at all. We have courts and due process, remember? The Philippines is not some lawless country out in the middle of Africa. At least it shouldn't be aspiring of being one anyway.

Agreed. Summary executions are not okay. The must be investigated and stopped.

 

[agentofatlas]

Actually that's supposed to be 700000 not 70000. Media covered some of those events and had random interviews. They admitted they were users and were indeed scared of being killed which is why they surrendered

For those that were killed, most of the victim's loved ones would admit that the victim was into drugs too. Of course there are those wherein the loved ones would say that the victim did not have a weapon and was summarily killed which is unacceptable.

Wtf am I reading? First I got that number from you bro. Second, random interviews? As fact? Really? Also most of the victims will admit that they were drug users? Wtf. Where do you get all this shit.

So you're telling me that all that supposedly 700000 people are drug addicts and most of the people that died were as well? Cause that is some damn good police work. I mean if that's true then we have the best police force on the planet.

 

[bakedpony]

You said it proves there's a problem. The only problem it proves is that there are a bunch of murderous assholes getting the 'ok' to sate their bloodlust as long as as they tie a stupid cardboard sign around the victims neck.

The cardboard sign murders are suspected to be done by drug syndicates to silence the lower ranks.

In fact there was a police operation where they killed a gunman (who fired back) and found unused cardboard signs in his car.

 

[Vigilant Walrus]

1. Mao killed 50 million people.
2. Mao changed depreciation rates on farm equipment which was an improvement over the prior system.

The love for Mao in China is legendary. That is what I heard, but when I saw it first hand it was somehow even more than that. I had 3 cab drivers who went ballistic when we saw his monuments.


Mao made choices that were extreme, but the people credit Mao for everything they have due to him. And I think you see this pattern of behavior in India too. You see a lower class who believes in economic growth over everything and they believe sometimes harsh and cruel choices is needed if they are going to be in the good graces.

That is how Modi won. He did not run a platform of promising more wealth for lower class. He proposed economic growth, stability, business, and revoluionizing their infrastructure by bringing western toilets into every home.
This is a contrast to many poorer and emerging economies where the people want to reap the benefits immediately. If there is money in the bank lets use them now. China and India are very much about expanding the long term, and that is also why you still have EXTREME poverty in both of those countries. When you talk about them being better off you need to remember that the living conditions are still absolutely terrible.



China for example executes a hell of a lot of people every year. I have been really surprised at just how many people they put to death every year.

 

[bakedpony]

Wtf am I reading? First I got that number from you bro. Second, random interviews? As fact? Really? Also most of the victims will admit that they were drug users? Wtf. Where do you get all this shit.

So you're telling me that all that supposedly 700000 people are drug addicts and most of the people that died were as well? Cause that is some damn good police work. I mean if that's true then we have the best police force on the planet.

Well the 700000 did not involve police that much because they voluntarily went themselves.

 

[Ozigizo]

The cardboard sign murders are suspected to be done by drug syndicates to silence the lower ranks.

In fact there was a police operation where they killed a gunman (who fired back) and found unused cardboard signs in his car.

The drug syndicate boogeyman again, huh?

 

[Pedrito]

How does a drug user "surrender" exactly? You go to the police station to tell them you no longer do drugs? They congratulate you and give you a certificate? Then you go home and do some drugs to celebrate?

 

[bakedpony]

The drug syndicate boogeyman again, huh?

Here's an article from July

http://www.rappler.com/nation/139683-dela-rosa-summary-killings-vigilante-pnp

 

[addik]

The drug syndicate boogeyman again, huh?

I have friends that believe the Mexican drug cartels have arrived and that they are causing all this problem.

They also don't like Trump, but I wonder if they've listened to themselves talk recently?

Also lol at people in this thread already blaming the media for being "BIAS," when Duterte's ridiculous statements (both this one and others) were either caught on video or included the official transcript. But of course let's blame the media because they're yellow or something.

Similarly, "yellow-minded" people blame the media for destroying the image of the past president.

So really, idk anymore

Here's an article from July

http://www.rappler.com/nation/139683-dela-rosa-summary-killings-vigilante-pnp

By Dela Rosa, you mean the guy who said drug lords are after Duterte, but suddenly having them as witnesses against the administration's staunch critic???

Al Jazeera had made a reportage on the vigilante killings that have links to local precincts too.

 

[bakedpony]

How does a drug user "surrender" exactly? You go to the police station to tell them you no longer do drugs? They congratulate you and give you a certificate? Then you go home and do some drugs to celebrate?

No, you tell them you are an addict and want to undergo rehab. Here is an article:

http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/07/14/16/60000-drug-users-pushers-have-surrendered-palace

 

[Pedrito]

No, you tell them you are an addict and want to undergo rehab. Here is an article:

http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/07/14/16/60000-drug-users-pushers-have-surrendered-palace

Wow, that article makes it seem absurdly simple. It also sounds like a PR piece.

Also, where do you find 700 000 places in rehab clinics? Or even just 60 000? And how do you pay for it? Or is "rehab" just a weekend in a community center, than magically no more drug problem?

 

[bakedpony]

Wow, that article makes it seem absurdly simple. It also sounds like a PR piece.

Also, where do you find 700 000 places in rehab clinics? Or even just 60 000? And how do you pay for it? Or is "rehab" just a weekend in a community center, than magically no more drug problem?

Here is the September article

https://amp.ibtimes.co.uk/700000-drug-pushers-surrender-philippines-duterte-says-i-cant-kill-them-all-because-report-1581998


The rehab thing is still being addressed because of capacity issues. 700000 is not a small number obviously.

 

[Pedrito]

Here is the September article

https://amp.ibtimes.co.uk/700000-drug-pushers-surrender-philippines-duterte-says-i-cant-kill-them-all-because-report-1581998


The rehab thing is still being addressed because of capacity issues. 700000 is not a small number obviously.

Yeah, seems like he didn't really think this through. Lucky for him, that number is probably BS.

 

[bakedpony]

Yeah, seems like he didn't really think this through. Lucky for him, that number is probably BS.

I don't think anybody expected the number to be that large (700000 or not it is still a lot). On one hand it's good a lot are at least trying to start a new life but on the other hand how will you deal such huge number of people?

 

[Kusagari]

I don't think anybody expected the number to be that large (700000 or not it is still a lot). On one hand it's good a lot are at least trying to start a new life but on the other hand how will you deal such huge number of people?

Maybe your president should ask his idol Adolf Hitler.

 

[IggyChooChoo]

Agreed. Summary executions are not okay. The must be investigated and stopped.

"Not okay" is an absurdly weak description of Duterte's heinous crimes. If the investigation doesn't end with Duterte in prison, then justice will not have been done.

 

[killatopak]

How can people downplay 700000 people who wants to change? Regardless of the truth of thr numbers, the fact that they can't accomodate the large number simply means a lot want to turn a new leaf.

If it wasn't duterte and some other president amd all this killing issue is non existent, that event should be something to be glad about.

It doesn't excuse duterte at all but man this thread brings out all kinds.

 

[Aureon]

He did though. Didn't he?

Actually, no. Only when he was actually present.
neofacists in italy actually use "cleared the swamps" nowdays.