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Phil Spencer: Some reviewers give games low scores to get more clicks
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Dee Dah Dave
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Actually no I didn't, but I have seen enough of it to qualify my opinion. The game is clearly average at best. And when you tout the big name game creators behind it, and state that it's a Metroid Prime / Mega Man mash up, you instantly increase expectation. The final game doesn't come close to delivering.
Plus don't get me started on the amatuer hour animation the game has.
I don't disagree. Actually I do, I think he (or any suit) should be able to comment on the subject. But yes, a better choice of words and phrasing would have been more appropriate for a senior exec.
wapplew
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Head of Xbox is human too, this make him more relatable.
Okami Haundo
Member
I'm not sure how I feel about it honestly. It definitely is a bit out of place for a senior exec, but they also didn't include any type of direct quote. It really leaves things open to either be completely made up (I doubt that), or an off-the-record comment that they decided to run anyway.
He's not your friend. He's representing a brand. You just can't do that.
RedSparrows
Member
Well, I have played it, and thoroughly enjoyed myself. The bot animation is lovely, to boot. What does that say, about anything?
Saying it's for clicks is dumb, but some reviews are shit. Forza 4/10? Yeah, right. Recore 3/10? Much more understandable, but still a 'nah' from me.
LordRaptor
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Looking forward to Big League Xbox to correct clickbait scores and make Xbox great again
Dr. Black Jack
Member
No Phil, not everyone scores games for clicks like Jim Sterling.
Jimmyfenix
Member
Exactly
Sanctuary
Member
Dunno how much merit this actually has, but I've been saying since Polygon arrived, that that's what they were doing initially. They would consistently rate games much lower than most everyone else "because".
Can't wait for the tears when Scalebound arrives.
"Ok, let's drop some bombs on this thing!"
Can't wait for the tears when Scalebound arrives.
"Ok, let's drop some bombs on this thing!"
I think they did the opposite in certain cases too and then abused the fact that Metacritic doesn't change the score.
So they could be promoted as the Review site that gave the game a 10 while on their real site they could update the score to say Turns out contrary to all expectations and absolutely unforeseen circumstances, an online-only Sim City tested on preview copies on preview servers works differently than a live copy on live-servers. and still get the 'cred' like they showed EA that they bow to no one.
ReBurn
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RichiRamjag
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Pretty much. I don't know why folks act surprised that there are fanbois out there. I was on the Pete Hines twitter reading his announcement about PS4 mods and there was some random guy going on about how xbox has beaten PS4 the past couple of months and that it sucked. No reason whatsoever to bring it up. Just stupid shit you see online and ignore. Folks need to stop pretending it's a platform-specific thing.
privitsan02
Member
While its amusing that he's saying that with Recore hanging around his neck, but given Horzion 3's situation, every game that scores very highly has reviews like that and people flip over them during launch week. This isn't necessarily false as it does attract hate and attention, but in many cases the reviewers are speaking their minds, only with more negativity than they probably should.
Recore however is a mediocre game like Knack and as such deserves mediocre scores. You didn't see Shu Yoshida having a fit over the scores. All he said was that he was disappointed that people weren't interested in a game like that. Have some class Phil, especially when it comes to mentioning fanboy behavior, you're the head of the department, ignore it.
Best wishes.
Recore however is a mediocre game like Knack and as such deserves mediocre scores. You didn't see Shu Yoshida having a fit over the scores. All he said was that he was disappointed that people weren't interested in a game like that. Have some class Phil, especially when it comes to mentioning fanboy behavior, you're the head of the department, ignore it.
Best wishes.
DigitalScrap
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Well, he's certainly right that it seems we often will see sites give a completely off base score just to be contrarian in what appears to be an attempt to get clicks, (the mentioned FH3 review as an example) but... I don't think that is the case for ReCore. The game certainly has some issues, and in many cases seems to have been given better scores than it deserves, IMO.
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Slightly off topic but I noticed that quite often european tester tend to give lower scores than american testers.Based on this ,it is possible that cultural differences may influence rating and sometimes a games may not be appreciated by a tester due to those cultural diferences.
But yeah some website are definetely clickbait....Sometimes the games just don't click even if you're a minority.
That's the main problem with testing a video game Either you can be objective and simply test the technical side of the game like digital foundry does you can also minimize the score if you encounter bug,glitches etc.
But the rest of the game is art it's an experience therefore testing it is irrelevant because it is and will always be subjective.
I for example hate the football games and I'd probably give any fifa or pes a really bad score but I know I'm not equipped to test these games.It may be the same for some testers.
Sometime the score is lowered just because it didn't click.For example the Witcher 3 didn't click for me, I don't know why.But I recognize how talented the team was doing it but I wouldn't give it a higher score than 16,Am I biased or clickbaiting?No it just didn't click for no particular reason.
But yeah some website are definetely clickbait....Sometimes the games just don't click even if you're a minority.
That's the main problem with testing a video game Either you can be objective and simply test the technical side of the game like digital foundry does you can also minimize the score if you encounter bug,glitches etc.
But the rest of the game is art it's an experience therefore testing it is irrelevant because it is and will always be subjective.
I for example hate the football games and I'd probably give any fifa or pes a really bad score but I know I'm not equipped to test these games.It may be the same for some testers.
Sometime the score is lowered just because it didn't click.For example the Witcher 3 didn't click for me, I don't know why.But I recognize how talented the team was doing it but I wouldn't give it a higher score than 16,Am I biased or clickbaiting?No it just didn't click for no particular reason.
Transistor
Banned
I miss the days where a 6/10 wasn't a "low score", but it was just average. How did we ever get to the point where anything below an 8 means the game is shit?
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Games are exepensive and we're broke thus we want the best possible.I have to admit that being a student I tend to be very precaucious about what games I'll buy.
If I was richer maybe a game I'm mildly interested in scoring below 16 or 17 I'd buy it, but now I try to be as sure as possible that I'm gonna buy a really good game.
BRocknRolla
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This thread is a wasteland. People need to take a step back and recognize that these guys are brand ambassadors, not your buddies.
Tallshortman
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Speaking in real life like a forum poster does not make skmeone more relatable.
Apparently we are. Also I guess click bait headlines don't exist either.
Demoskinos
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Phil c'mon..... not this way....
adversarial
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I mean, is anyone surprised that some reviewers actually do that?
I feel like if it wasn't Mr. Spencer who is (seemingly) trying to defend his game(s) getting poor reviews, the general response would be: "Of course there are reviewers that do that."
I feel like if it wasn't Mr. Spencer who is (seemingly) trying to defend his game(s) getting poor reviews, the general response would be: "Of course there are reviewers that do that."
killatopak
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ehhh....
hydrophilic attack
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Sure, but if their arguments are of the same quality as gamefaqs or NeoGAF.com shit-posts, his cheerleading isn't exactly helping the team
Classic Raylan.
Dangansona
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This isn't a reason to dismiss reviews. It's a reason (among others) to fucking dismiss Metacritic. Find a couple of sites you trust and read their reviews. It's that simple.
He's not relatable at all. He's just another suit who happens to be better at saying shit people who play a lot of video games want to hear. Being more market savvy than his comically inept predecessors doesn't make him some kind of normal dude out here working on gamers' behalves.
Sniffynose
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As a general statement, yes some sites like to create controversy for clicks
, I've actually had my only ban ever on gaf due to saying the same thing, and I guess at the time these sorts of revelations weren't welcome /shrug
That being said, in Phil's position he should have just left that as a blanket statement (even though it's obvious as hell, just go to youtube's homepage for your daily dose of clickbait hell) instead of relating it to a game which seemingly deserved it's critical reviews.
mind blown right!?
That being said, in Phil's position he should have just left that as a blanket statement (even though it's obvious as hell, just go to youtube's homepage for your daily dose of clickbait hell) instead of relating it to a game which seemingly deserved it's critical reviews.
Too Human?
Remember the time Raylan took a screenshot of someone's achievement page showing the time they played Quantum Break (it showed that individual played ~3 hours) and was trying to pass it off as proof the game was only 3 hours long?
I do......Classic Raylan
Oh, for reference:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=200587406&postcount=95
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After playing through ReCore, I do think the game is a little better than what the review scores show in comparison to other games that have come out this year.
It's not a great game, but it's not that bad either. I think the loading times hurt the scores, but what really hurt it score-wise IMO is that the game gives a sense you can blast through the main story, and if you do that you hit a very high gate near the end. The reviewers were probably doing that to try to finish the game as quickly as possible so they could move on, then when they hit that point, they were frustrated for having to go back and do the other requirements all at once, and probably did get tedious.
Thankfully, I had a different experience because I did the side stuff all along and the pacing wasn't as bad for me.
Just speculation on my part as I really don't think it's a bad game.
But Phil has a point, there are sites that do this for clicks, but ReCore had bigger problems that affected it's scores.
Primethius
Banned
Lol Phil.
Recores score is perfectly apt. I played the 30 min demo and found nothing to like except the music. It's an extremely substandard game with ridiculously poor combat
Recores score is perfectly apt. I played the 30 min demo and found nothing to like except the music. It's an extremely substandard game with ridiculously poor combat
Colonel Mustard
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On one hand, he's right. Some reviews are so low that they're only there for shock value.
On the other hand, in ReCore's case, Armature consists of Retro's rejects that weren't talented enough to work there as evidenced by their poor track record.
On the other hand, in ReCore's case, Armature consists of Retro's rejects that weren't talented enough to work there as evidenced by their poor track record.
Holy Phil. I will never criticize you again.
Yours faithfully
Raylan
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