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[O Canada Our Home and Native Land]

Keep making the circle of "good liberals" smaller and smaller. That will do wonders I'm sure.

And I'm sure that now I'm on your bad list. Even though I support BLM, voted liberal on every ballot measure, etc., my suggestion that maybe, just maybe, a lot of white dudes in this country have it pretty bad right now, puts me on the shit-list of "white moderates who are part of the problem". And I'm not even white. I don't even look white.

This is just a continuation of gaf's long march for fingers in your ears liberal orthodoxy. They don't want progress they just want to accuse people and feel better about themselves.

 

[Breads]

Today I learned that as a minority person it is on me to understand that my criticism helped the privileged feel disenfranchised and that I need to make them feel empowered again before I am to expect any table scraps in the next 2 or 4 or 8 years.

 

[Already Torn]

It's so sad that so many people made their peace with voting for Trump.

I definitely agree that people who voted for him were complicit in his racism, sexism etc. and they definitely have to shoulder that blame.

However, I think that it needs to be understood that many people who did vote for him aren't the malicious kind of racist that wants to see minorities as second class citizens but rather just ignorant people who haven't been exposed to different ethnicities or people who hear about racism but don't understand just how bad it is.

Sure, you can call them racist and be correct but they are going to feel attacked and probably won't re-evaluate their POV. Now is it the burden of people to educate the ignorant? No, it's not but then you can't be surprised when the ignorant stay ignorant and vote ignorantly.

It's a really shitty situation and it is 100% wrong but that's the way it is, unfortunately. Time will sort it out I believe. Bigots will die off, minority groups will grow but until then we're in for a rough 4 years because of it.

That's definitely the root of the issue, that's what MLK was talking about in the OP quote.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Because his platform was more than that. It was hope for a failing economy. It was the prospect of an outsider dealing with rampant corruption. You need to step outside this echo chamber and listen to people who you don't necessarily agree with. We, as in the left, need some perspective on why this happened. And the why is more than just "this country is racist" because obviously that type of talk gets us nowhere but a Republican presidency.

So you're saying:

Yes his platform is racist/sexist/Islamophobic/homophobic/transphobic. But if you identify with any of those minorities groups, please understand that while those are large tenets of his platform look past that and see the other stuff.

 

[Pinko Marx]

I already said that. His hope was lies.

He promised people in dying industries that he would save their jobs. And when we asked him how, he just said he was going to do it.

That's not hope. They're lies. He told people their taxes would go down. Except his plan was for the wealthy like all modern Republicans before him.

There is no nuance.

Donald Trump is as corrupt as you can get. He's a corrupt person who's going to fix what, exactly?

He fed them lies. They ate it up.

Lies or not he still spoke to a large number of people. People who aren't all racists or bigots or sexist or deplorable. And the results speak for themselves. Which is my whole point: in our pursuit of progress we forgot a lot of people, and not only did we forget them, we happily antagonized them by throwing them all into the same basket.

 

[stuminus3]

Damn skippy. I'm fine with Republicans. No need for tension there at all. But those who voted for Trump? Nah...fuck that. Tension is fine with me. Especially considering I have plenty of GOP friends who didn't vote for Trump.

I'm talking about sexists, racists and xenophobes. "Republicans" doesn't mean anything to me.

 

[Haly]

So the main issue is that we aren't ready as a country to call people out on voting for and actively being racist and sexist and homophobic? Is that the lesson we should be taking from this?

Yes. It's unfortunate but it's true.

If this chart is accurate, we'll be able to call a spade a spade and not lose elections because of it in 2050.

 

[freethoughtbubble]

Oh, give me a fucking break.

I'm a minority. Lots of people criticizing the gaf echo chamber are in some way or another. I am a brown af Latino male, son of an illegal immigrant and a refugee from central america. I don't tolerate sexism, xenophobia, and racism. But guess what? I don't tolerate getting blown the fuck up on election night and handing my democracy over to an orange authoritarian dictator in the making either.

Why are you framing this as an us versus them issue where us versus them is white versus poc/lgbtq/minority people? Is it so that you can erect another strawman to deflect criticism and silence some well earned dissent? So soon after we just lost our fucking country because people like you were too blind to see that the candidate you pushed was the wrong choice for the political moment we live in?

Why are you disingenuously framing our grievance as an argument to tolerate bigotry? Either you are doing so disingenuously (shocker) or you are that deluded that this is the honest to god takeaway you have drawn from the last 48 hours. If so, I pity you.

God, this is frustrating!

 

[KingV]

No one's asking for tolerance. No one's telling you to pat Joe on the head. We're asking that you stop for a second and put yourself in his shoes. Talk to him like a human being, not a raving white trash monster.

This isn't passivity. It's pragmatism. This is the only way to rally people back to our side. Because we sure as hell aren't importing enough liberals.

Ding ding ding. The truth is sometimes you're going to have to link arms with people you might not like very much to get things done. GAF is like the epicenter of leftist intolerance. Its a place where posts like "fuck white people" pass by unpunished. According to some of the loudest voices on GAF, all white people are at least diet racist if not flat out white suprmacists, whose opinions matter little because of white privilege. There are loud voices on GAF that barely acknowledge the right for anybody to have an opinion that's not slavishly devoted to the language of third wave feminism.

I'm a white liberal who supports reparations, affirmative action, voting rights and equality, but would likely be labelled a racist monster for pointing out that you catch more bees with honey than vinegar.

The reality is that minorities and rural Americans have a huge amount of overlap in policies that would benefit both populations, but still after helping I'm delivering the biggest L in 20 years, the most stubborn people on GAF can't acknowledge the right of rural people to even exist because they don't understand or believe in white privilege.

And that pompousness lost an election.

 

[Zvonimir Boban]

Yeah seeing that in threads last night was so fucking weird? Why should one tolerate any form of discrimination at any time, especially if it's against them?

Because god forbid racists have their feelings hurt.

 

[Lumination]

Kudos for going out and educating these people, but there are physical/emotional/mental risks that it is not only not fair to ask every minority to take on, it's insulting.

Why do minorities always have to be the ones to sacrifice? People consider themselves educated and empathetic, but seem to only be willing to extend that empathy to the worse choice.

I understand white people have nothing to gain from trying to make things better for minorities but just keep it to apathy in that case. Antipathy is too much.

It is absolutely unfair. But what can we do? We can work to fix it, or we can continue to do what is proven to be ineffectual.

It sure as hell seems like the vibe from this thread. Either you got the guts to call bigotry what it is, or you don't. I'm not betray everything just to appeal to someone thag considers me subhuman.

Then you should read the thread rather than the "vibe".

 

[faisal233]

2 million GOP votes didn't show up.
6 million DEM votes didn't show up.

We lost because we couldnt optimize our message to attract 200k votes in the rust belt.

We didn't need to coddle racists, or ask for their votes. We just needed to have a more inclusive message to ALSO address the concerns of 200k people that didn't show up in the rust belt.

 

[DedValve]

Because that is the sad reality of the world we live in. You can either come to terms with that and work on fixing it, or you can double down on what we have now proven to not work.

It's not fair to put this burden on you or me. But that's the sad reality of the world.

We try to educate, be tolerable, play by the rules we go from a black president to an openly racist one. If thats because bigots get offended when called out on their bullshit and an extremely weary and on edge people see a never ending cycle then no, the burden doesnt fall on me or any minority. All the power to you if you want to mend bridges, i applaud you in doing so, but its not my responsibility. I have zero tolerance for intolerance.

Call it a pardox if you will but when your earliest memory as a human being is being hit and told your not normal for playing with a barbie maybe youll understand just how fucking done i am when people tell me to accept the other side or coddle them because they can win us elections.

If the path to victory is letting the shit fester because the shit has quantity of votes then i refuse to partake in that. Whote people have had theirs and only their voices heard. Now im seriously looki g at laws that can affect me for decades to come after coming off the high of a president who told me i was equal and my love as natural and pure as anyone elses.

So fucking no. I will never tolerate intolerance again, ill call that shit out with fury. I tried once and only once to speak to a chirch on behalf of the lgbt community and help mend bridges. Never again. Fuck bigots i mean trump supporters i mean bigots.

 

[UnemployedVillain]

Every minority realizes that the more you tolerate that type of behavior, the more normalized it becomes and the less people care about actually changing it.

It's like when you have that 1 close white friend who you allow to say nigga around you and eventually you they stop saying it in a hushed voice and are a little too comfortable saying it, even if it's just in private circles

2 million GOP votes didn't show up.
6 million DEM votes didn't show up.

We lost because we couldnt optimize our message to attract 200k votes in the rust belt.

We didn't need to coddle racists, or ask for their votes. We just needed to have a more inclusive message to ALSO address the concerns of 200k people that didn't show up in the rust belt.

This

 

[Carnby]

This is just a continuation of gaf's long march for fingers in your ears liberal orthodoxy. They don't want progress they just want to accuse people and feel better about themselves.

I said damn!

Seriously. Its about time this site's echo chamber bullshit got called out.

 

[Pinko Marx]

So you're saying:

Yes his platform is racist/sexist/Islamophobic/homophobic/transphobic. But if you identify with any of those minorities groups, please understand that while those are large tenets of his platform look past that and see the other stuff.

If you wanna over simplify it to that, sure. But make no mistake, there was other stuff to be seen and spoken about. I also believe the echo chamber we've all been living in has very much skewed our perspective and made us lose sight.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Bigots will die off

Bigots don't just die off. They have children and raise families. Some of those children escape, some take up the mantle and some shit on minorities for not loving the bigoted and ignorant.

This shit is hard wired

 

[Pellegri Testament]

Because his platform was more than that. It was hope for a failing economy. It was the prospect of an outsider dealing with rampant corruption. You need to step outside this echo chamber and listen to people who you don't necessarily agree with. We, as in the left, need some perspective on why this happened. And the why is more than just "this country is racist" because obviously that type of talk gets us nowhere but a Republican presidency.

You are a fucking idiot and deserve to be grouped together with the rest of the deplorables if you actually believe any of that shit. We've had months now of seeing just how he has handled his businesses in the past and just how corrupt he actually is. If you were too busy putting your fingers in your ears and ignoring all of that, that is on you, you have no right to complain about getting lumped together with the people you think you aren't part of.

 

[Shaanyboi]

It's so sad that so many people made their peace with voting for Trump.

I definitely agree that people who voted for him were complicit in his racism, sexism etc. and they definitely have to shoulder that blame.

However, I think that it needs to be understood that many people who did vote for him aren't the malicious kind of racist that wants to see minorities as second class citizens but rather just ignorant people who haven't been exposed to different ethnicities or people who hear about racism but don't understand just how bad it is.

Sure, you can call them racist and be correct but they are going to feel attacked and probably won't re-evaluate their POV. Now is it the burden of people to educate the ignorant? No, it's not but then you can't be surprised when the ignorant stay ignorant and vote ignorantly.

It's a really shitty situation and it is 100% wrong but that's the way it is, unfortunately. Time will sort it out I believe. Bigots will die off, minority groups will grow but until then we're in for a rough 4 years because of it.

This isn't how the world works. Bigotry doesn't just die away when the old people die away. Bigotry is taught. Bigotry is reinforced. In schools, in homes, in workplaces, in communities. "It'll get better" is a pointless message that solves nothing. The bigotry around Obama's election didn't fade off, it got worse. It will always get worse unless people remain vigilant against it.

 

[Enzom21]

Ding ding ding. The truth is sometimes you're going to have to link arms with people you might not like very much to get things done. GAF is like the epicenter of leftist intolerance. Its a place where posts like "fuck white people" pass by unpunished. According to some of the loudest voices on GAF, all white people are at least diet racist if not flat out white suprmacists, whose opinions matter little because of white privilege. There are loud voices on GAF that barely acknowledge the right for anybody to have an opinion that's not slavishly devoted to the language of third wave feminism.

I'm a white liberal who supports reparations, affirmative action, voting rights and equality, but would likely be labelled a racist monster for pointing out that you catch more bees with honey than vinegar.

The reality is that minorities and rural Americans have a huge amount of overlap in policies that would benefit both populations, but still after helping I'm delivering the biggest L in 20 years, the most stubborn people on GAF can't acknowledge the right of rural people to even exist because they don't understand or believe in white privilege.

And that pompousness lost an election.

This is bullshit and you know it. Everyone who posted that was banned.
As a white liberal, you should be trying to change the minds of the racists that voted for Trump, not minorities.

 

[Vincent Alexander]

Yes. It's unfortunate but it's true.



If this chart is accurate, we'll be able to call a spade a spade and not lose elections because of it in 2050.

As long as we can get everyone off their asses to vote. I know a few who didn't because "their vote doesn't matter." I made a point to them that the electoral college will NEVER go away if people keep this shit up. If everyone went out and voted, and someone managed to win an electoral, but lose popular by a LOT? That might get some attention. But this shit here, of losing by .1%? It's enough to bitch about, but not enough to raise eyebrows and make anyone consider change.

2 million GOP votes didn't show up.
6 million DEM votes didn't show up.

We lost because we couldnt optimize our message to attract 200k votes in the rust belt.

We didn't need to coddle racists, or ask for their votes. We just needed to have a more inclusive message to ALSO address the concerns of 200k people that didn't show up in the rust belt.

I think you're on the right path. The issue is the people who didn't vote. Not those who voted for the wrong guy. I mean...who I consider the wrong guy. But I'd be less upset if 70% of all of eligible voters in America voted, and Trump still got EV. But even 70% would be an amazing number.

 

[cheezcake]

Actually he would, well the real MLK would. The whitewashed one who basically only exists as 3 choice quotes would probably sing kumbaya.

Yeh but MLK wasn't running for president. Activists can and should represent the ideals of where we want to go as a society, but they do not make good politicians because their positions represent massive change while politics works through incremental change. Activists don't win elections and that's OK, thats not their purpose.

But at this point I'd much rather prefer a bit of compromise with the racially insensitive portion of Trump supporters so you know, we don't get Donald fucking Trump in the White House. Getting shit done for minorities is more important than being "right".

Oh, give me a fucking break.

I'm a minority. Lots of people criticizing the gaf echo chamber are in some way or another. I am a brown af Latino male, son of an illegal immigrant and a refugee from central america. I don't tolerate sexism, xenophobia, and racism. But guess what? I don't tolerate getting blown the fuck up on election night and handing my democracy over to an orange authoritarian dictator in the making either.

Why are you framing this as an us versus them issue where us versus them is white versus poc/lgbtq/minority people? Is it so that you can erect another strawman to deflect criticism and silence some well earned dissent? So soon after we just lost our fucking country because people like you were too blind to see that the candidate you pushed was the wrong choice for the political moment we live in?

Why are you disingenuously framing our grievance as an argument to tolerate bigotry? Either you are doing so disingenuously (shocker) or you are that deluded that this is the honest to god takeaway you have drawn from the last 48 hours. If so, I pity you.

God, this is frustrating!

Thank you. I'm a minority too and I really am fucking confused at all these people who seem to be think their moral superiority boner is more important than actual progress.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Today I learned that as a minority person it is on me to understand that my criticism helped the privileged feel disenfranchised and that I need to make them feel empowered again before I am to expect any table scraps in the next 2 or 4 or 8 years.

Pretty much, but then again this has literally been the stance of the moderate "both sides" group since the 60s. The very people MLK is speaking about is the very same group of people most likely to summon MLK like a pokemon to beat down minorities when they get too uppity.

 

[superbeau]

No one's asking for tolerance. No one's telling you to pat Joe on the head. We're asking that you stop for a second and put yourself in his shoes. Talk to him like a human being, not a raving white trash monster.

This isn't passivity. It's pragmatism. This is the only way to rally people back to our side. Because we sure as hell aren't importing enough liberals.

I talk to them everyday. I am them. I literally am a poor white male working a factory job trying to make ends meet. I'll happily and calmly point out things they are getting wrong. I'll make jokes. I'll show them pictures of my adorable hispanic and black cousins, nephews and niece. I'll be very understanding and I'll get called a know-it-all liberal self-hating white who hates america.

and telling them stop being bigoted isn't treating them like a monster.

 

[TheFlow]

White people are always so quick to bring up MLK when it comes to accepting fuckery.

 

[the_sun_king]

Today I learned that as a minority person it is on me to understand that my criticism helped the privileged feel disenfranchised and that I need to make them feel empowered again before I am to expect any table scraps in the next 2 or 4 or 8 years.

Yup. The mental/mechanical gymnastics to fully type this out is beyond me atm (my brain is still struggling to accept that this is really the narrative that is being put out there by some), so I thank you for posting this.

 

[faisal233]

We didn't need a SINGLE Trump voter. We needed our own base, who didn't vote for anyone.

 

[Not]

This is basically one of America's darkest moments in all of history. And we're now in the middle of it.

Swell.

 

[ItIsOkBro]

I'm not buying this narrative at all tbh.

Clinton got 6 million less votes than Obama and these aren't people that would feel alienated by the 'deplorables' comment

Trump got 2 million less votes than Romney so it's not like the 'deplorables' comment sparked an extensive mutiny of Repub voters

This was just a case of Dem voter apathy

 

[noquarter]

53% of white woman voted for Trump according to a CNN Exit Poll, Trump won the white male vote 63%. For the record, Trump's figures for blacks, Hispanics and Asian-Americans was 8%, 29% and 29% respectively.

This is the problem, everyone on here is saying that a vote for Trump is a vote for white supremacy and you are evil to vote for Trump and says it is whites fault for him being elected, but look at his numbers.

8% and 30% of the people in groups that he put down STILL voted for him. They are either masochists, or you have to realize that voters don't take on all the baggage of people they vote for.

You can continue to be mad at white voters that voted for Trump, but labeling them all as White Supremacists isn't going to win any over to the Dems side. You have to realize that Trump voters are more than just people that hate minorities and see what else is in that group and get them.

 

[Pinko Marx]

You are a fucking idiot and deserve to be grouped together with the rest of the deplorables if you actually believe any of that shit. We've had months now of seeing just how he has handled his businesses in the past and just how corrupt he actually is. If you were too busy putting your fingers in your ears and ignoring all of that, that is on you, you have no right to complain about getting lumped together with the people you think you aren't part of.

Is this type of talk that I'm against. The black/white mentality, with us or against us. I've been with you every step of the way, and I still am. I'm just saying we suffered a massive loss in a battle that was ours to lose by all metrics. SOMETHING went wrong, and a portion of the blame is on us. We fucked up somewhere along the line and I believe the aggressive way we speak to people that aren't necessarily completely aligned with our views may have pushed them away.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Yeh but MLK wasn't running for president. Activists can and should represent the ideals of where we want to go as a society, but they do not make good politicians because their positions represent massive change while politics works through incremental change. Activists don't win elections and that's OK, thats not their purpose.

But at this point I'd much rather prefer a bit of compromise with the racially insensitive portion of Trump supporters so you know, we don't get Donald fucking Trump in the White House. Getting shit done for minorities is more important than being "right".

And how exactly do you "comprise" on someone's right as a minority? More of the "just wait until these other issues are solved first then we'll get to yours" which has done wonders for Native and African Americans as history has shown us?

 

[HomerSimpson-Man]

At the end of the day, it boils down to this.

Q: Why would you vote for a man who clearly is racist, has many "issues" with women, (insert 1000 other negative traits).

A: Because he said he'll lower my taxes.


That's pretty much it? Fine.

You're not racist. You're not a misogynist. You're not a climate change denier, supporter of sexual assault or believer that LGBT should not have equal rights and what not. You dont believe in executing the families of terrorists, giving Japan nukes, deporting basically every Syrian refugee, banning all muslims.

Your're a squeaky clean, lovely person.

But why do I not get to point my finger at you for voting for a man who clearly represents and stands by those things?

Because you only cared about taxes? Or...what?

White supremacists are feeling like they're relevant now. That was BEFORE Trump even won. People WILL now face more racism in America. I've seen the result from Brexit.

RUDY GIULIANNI will likely be Attorney General........in a time where we are trying to sort out the way police treat minorities in America.

Supreme court justices will not be so favourable towards LGBT communities.

Trump can EASILY repeal executive order Obama made to allow immigrants to have genuine work and life prospects instead of hiding and taking exploitative under the table work.


You voted for a person who will do these things. Why can I not criticise you for it?

I just need to accept that you decided to fuck me over as long as you feel a guy who refuses to manufacture his goods in the USA is going to bring jobs back to the USA, because something something MLK wouldn't be getting all uppity like this?

This mindset of "hey, don't you dare look at me like that! I only like what he said about taxes/elites, that doesn't make me a racist, xenophobe, liar, con artist too!" is both confusing and infuriating.

I just had to quote this. Damn straight.

 

[Lumination]

We try to educate, be tolerable, play by the rules we go from a black president to an openly racist one. If thats because bigots get offended when called out on their bullshit and an extremely weary and on edge people see a never ending cycle then no, the burden doesnt fall on me or any minority. All the power to you if you want to mend bridges, i applaud you in doing so, but its not my responsibility. I have zero tolerance for intolerance.

See, in one breath you say you tried to educate, but in another you talk about calling bigots out on their bullshit. That isn't education. When was the last time you memorized a textbook because your teacher called you a retard until you did it?

You're absolutely right that it's not your responsibility. It's unfair to ask you to do what I do. But let me request one thing. Reflect on your zero tolerance policy. Zero tolerance means not sparing the seconds required to think about the context. It means not thinking about why someone said what they said or did what they did. Schools do this shit for violence and how does that work out? Little Jimmy gets kicked out of school for defending himself against a bully. All I ask is that you stop and empathize before blowing up on someone else.

 

[spatenfloot]

No one's asking for tolerance. No one's telling you to pat Joe on the head. We're asking that you stop for a second and put yourself in his shoes. Talk to him like a human being, not a raving white trash monster.

This isn't passivity. It's pragmatism. This is the only way to rally people back to our side. Because we sure as hell aren't importing enough liberals.

Or maybe they could propose a solution to Joe's lack of employment by coming up with a plan to encourage jobs and industry to return. The coal miners in Kentucky and West Virginia probably don't give a crap about Hillary's social policies. They care that she said she'd put them out of a job.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

I'm not buying this narrative at all tbh.

Clinton got 6 million less votes than Obama and these aren't people that would feel alienated by the 'deplorables' comment

Trump got 2 million less votes than Romney so it's not like the 'deplorables' comment sparked an extensive mutiny of Repub voters

This was just a case of Dem voter apathy

Right. The numbers don't even support this discussion.

Once again, we need to blame someone, so...

 

[Not]

White people, white men specifically, will go down as one of the most damaging human groups of all time. And I'm one of them.

Swell.

 

[darkace]

Yeh but MLK wasn't running for president. Activists can and should represent the ideals of where we want to go as a society, but they do not make good politicians because their positions represent massive change while politics works through incremental change. Activists don't win elections and that's OK, thats not their purpose.

But at this point I'd much rather prefer a bit of compromise with the racially insensitive portion of Trump supporters so you know, we don't get Donald fucking Trump in the White House. Getting shit done for minorities is more important than being "right".



Thank you. I'm a minority too and I really am fucking confused at all these people who seem to be think their moral superiority boner is more important than actual progress.

Everyone look at this guy pls

 

[Vincent Alexander]

This is the problem, everyone on here is saying that a vote for Trump is a vote for white supremacy and you are evil to vote for Trump and says it is whites fault for him being elected, but look at his numbers.

8% and 30% of the people in groups that he put down STILL voted for him. They are either masochists, or you have to realize that voters don't take on all the baggage of people they vote for.

You can continue to be mad at white voters that voted for Trump, but labeling them all as White Supremacists isn't going to win any over to the Dems side. You have to realize that Trump voters are more than just people that hate minorities and see what else is in that group and get them.

Again, and I think it has been said many many times....Most people aren't calling them racists. But calling them supporters of a racist. Which is just as bad to me. No need to fuck around because of labels. But in the end, we didn't need to win them over to Dems side. Most people are entrenched. We needed people to get off their ass and vote.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

I'm not buying this narrative at all tbh.

Clinton got 6 million less votes than Obama and these aren't people that would feel alienated by the 'deplorables' comment

Trump got 2 million less votes than Romney so it's not like the 'deplorables' comment sparked an extensive mutiny of Repub voters

This was just a case of Dem voter apathy

What does Democratic voter apathy have to do with white moderates placing all of the burden of educating the gullible and/or bigoted on minorities?

This has been going on long before the election, it's just that this is a particularly egregious example.

 

[Riposte]

People, the voters, can say anything want, but candidates writing off voters and neglecting states do so at their (and their party's) peril. It was stupid when Romney did it and it was even more stupid when Clinton did it.

People are having two different conversations at the same time. It's a bit callous, but people want a solution given the party has just completely failed and they don't want to live in a world where there is only one political party, the really bad one (which is the world we are close to living in right now, for at least two years). Writing off people who voted Trump forever seems to be like giving up on a solution. I have to hope this isn't as binary as this mash up of two discussions paint it as.

P.S. 1% lead of the Popular Vote means pretty much nothing. It's worthless. It's not even that much of an interesting conversation. We can pretend it was close, when in reality the DNC is in ruins and may need to be rebuilt. It was Clinton's race to lose and she lost.

 

[Ivan 3414]

The strawmanning happening in this topic is out of this world.

 

[KingV]

This is bullshit and you know it. Everyone who posted that was banned.
As a white liberal, you should be trying to change the minds of the racists that voted for Trump, not minorities.

I didn't personally see the bans. But if that happened then good, I retract that.

Frankly, this is all on the DNC and Hillary and her hardcore supporters. It just so happens, at least here, that many of those voices have been yukking it up for months about how backwards rural white people were, and that Hillary and the Democratic party should give them no quarter. We didn't need a populist message, because only racism and sexism mattered.

Well, they were wrong.

 

[Not]

Who knew it was the democrats who had to get their shit together this whole time?

 

[Ponn]

I mean, that's kind of the day to day life of the American minority.

People are just showing their asses now because it's time to throw blame around, and blaming minorities is our national pastime.

Who's blaming minorities though? There is a narrative in this thread that is completely lacking any type of critical thinking and its dangerous for the future of the Democrats in future elections. I haven't seen anyone say to coddle or appeal to racists, but there were people in this election that previously voted for Obama that had their issues completely ignored by Clinton in the general election. They didn't vote for Trump or not vote at all because they hated minorities (yes there definitely were racist that did) and they made that choice. The point is they didn't have to make that choice if hillary would have supported unions better, or completely denounced TPP or just promise to fix peoples drinking water. None of those issues is coddling racists or would hurt minorities. In the case of Flint and Detroit it would help them. She had a very excellent plan for creating jobs by increasing funding to transportation and road infrastructure. It was a great plan, I never heard her talk about it once during debates or on TV. These are just things that a future candidate hopefully learns from to avoid what happened last night.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

I didn't personally see the bans. But if that happened then good, I retract that.

Frankly, this is all on the DNC and Hillary and her hardcore supporters. It just so happens, at least here, that many of those voices have been yukking it up for months about how backwards rural white people were, and that Hillary and the Democratic party should give them no quarter. We didn't need a populist message, because only racism and sexism mattered.

Well, they were wrong.

Have you actually tried to educate people?

 

[Kathian]

I'd have more time for his in a proportional system. It isn't. So I don't.

 

[Lumination]

I talk to them everyday. I am them. I literally am a poor white male working a factory job trying to make ends meet. I'll happily and calmly point out things they are getting wrong. I'll make jokes. I'll show them pictures of my adorable hispanic and black cousins, nephews and niece. I'll be very understanding and I'll get called a know-it-all liberal self-hating white who hates america.

The ugly truth is that this shit takes time. It's not an easy route. And some people WILL be irredeemable. And that's the worst part. It's hard and success isn't even close to 100%. But this is not only the morally right thing to do, but looking at the demographics of this last election, also the only path.

and telling them stop being bigoted isn't treating them like a monster.

We'll have to agree to disagree. The things I've seen people on the internet (and on GAF) say about Trump voters has been something else.

 

[faisal233]

What does Democratic voter apathy have to do with white moderates placing all of the burden of educating the gullible and/or bigoted on minorities?

This has been going on long before the election, it's just that this is a particularly egregious example.

Those 6 million voters that voted for Obama and didn't vote at all were bigots? All we fucking needed was to also address the concerns of atleast 200k of those people in the rust belt and we would have won.

They didn't switch and vote trump because social justice was on the DEM agenda. They stayed home because as a party we failed to ALSO address their concerns.

 

[Vincent Alexander]

I still can't wrap my head around why people don't vote. It is SO fucking easy. I had more trouble ironing my clothes Tuesday than I did voting. But I have no clue how we get people to vote.

Those 6 million voters that voted for Obama and didn't vote at all were bigots? All we fucking needed was to also address the concerns of atleast 200k of those people in the rust belt and we would have won.

They didn't switch and vote trump because social justice was on the DEM agenda. They stayed home because as a party we failed to ALSO address their concerns.

Or they were excited for Bernie and had 0 passion for Hilary. Just pulling that out of my ass, but who knows. In the end, I think this election shows it is damn hard to get people together to unify against an evil. It's easier to get people to unify for something they like though...if that makes any sense.