Wishmaster92
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That looks hilariously bad. Really really bad. Go home Ubisoft, you're drunk. You had more than double the gpu power and you give us this....
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Assassin's Creed Syndicate Just Got Pro Support
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Crossing Eden
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Comparisons and such aside, it seems they really botched the patches for this. No idea how that happened honestly.
icecold1983
Member
watch dogs 2 is a much more fitting comparison than unity Eden. other than htfs and the ray marched fog, im expecting GTA V to remain ahead.
chromatic9
Member
Have you pixel counted the original screens. I keep getting 1600x1600. There's some weird scaling and it all seems to convert in between 1600x900 2880x1620.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Fair point but Watch Dogs 2 on consoles already looks better for the most part than GTAV.
icecold1983
Member
I disagree. Certain parts of WD look better but it doesnt hold up to the open world in GTA. This comparison shouldnt even be because GTA is a ps360 game
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Man when he turns to the other screen with HDR enabled. What a difference.
j/k but that's an awesome video.
OdysseusVA
Banned
That is incredibly blurry
Looks like they may want to tweak their upscaling technique just a bit. 1620 to 2160 just doesn't sound like it would scale very well. Why not just run the game at 1440 and checkerboard that out to 2160? I'm also curious why devs don't attempt a solution like what Guerrilla games did with Killzone Shadowfalls multiplayer back at the PS4 launch. You might recall they were 1080p but... it was 960X1080p stretched out horizontally so the lines were really sharp, the framerate held up better but the vertical columns of pixels got fatter.
I mean I guess when checkerboarding is used properly , it's kind of doing this going both ways but usually you get some pretty solid looking still images... these screenshots people are sharing look more like 1080p shots blown up to 2160p with a ton of poorly implemented post processing effects added in. For most it probably looks decidedly worse than it did just being upscaled from 900p to 1080p by the base PS4's output and then having your 4K TV just do a straight up pixel doubling. There's not really any room for noise there.
I mean I guess when checkerboarding is used properly , it's kind of doing this going both ways but usually you get some pretty solid looking still images... these screenshots people are sharing look more like 1080p shots blown up to 2160p with a ton of poorly implemented post processing effects added in. For most it probably looks decidedly worse than it did just being upscaled from 900p to 1080p by the base PS4's output and then having your 4K TV just do a straight up pixel doubling. There's not really any room for noise there.
Not sure what's happening here.
Going from 900p to 1620p should make a clear difference.
I tried it and the game still looks pretty much as blurry as it was before.
So either the patch is bugged and doesn't do what it is supposed to do or there's something really wrong in what happens when they upscale from 1620p to 2160p.
Going from 900p to 1620p should make a clear difference.
I tried it and the game still looks pretty much as blurry as it was before.
So either the patch is bugged and doesn't do what it is supposed to do or there's something really wrong in what happens when they upscale from 1620p to 2160p.
Checkerboard rendering is not an upscaling technique, it doesn't work that way.
I am curious about what's happening here, hopefully DF will pick this up. On my 1080p, the game looks and runs perfectly fine. Didn't notice any strange artefacts, the edges are almost always smoothed out very good, and the framerate is great. I only noticed drops once at the beginning of a carriage chase. I never played it in the regular PS4 though.
icecold1983
Member
come out to LA and you can do the same thing with GTA V. stock GTA V on my pc and the open world/environment looks better than any of the WD videos ive seen
Disagree Guy
Member
Ok so checked again last night - definitely no aliasing on my 1080p Sony Bravia
Even the Wife agreed - it looks crisper and better since the pro update.
I really don't understand all the criticism and I mean that sincerely. Will report back once new 4k HDR TV arrives today.
Even the Wife agreed - it looks crisper and better since the pro update.
I really don't understand all the criticism and I mean that sincerely. Will report back once new 4k HDR TV arrives today.
FarFromAnyGame
Banned
I live in LA and no you can't. Not the same thing at least. Los Santos has some of LA's landmarks but it is not like WD2's SF to real SF.
Great job.
Really strange, it's almost as they have moved the MSAA samples to same location when rendering.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Go on GAF with the webbrowser and view those screens I posted, those are 1080p shots from PC
while it wouldn't be exactly the same, that's what it should look like even at 1080p let alone 1620p
The game is still 900p
Blackthorn
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Dictator93
Member
Yeah. Pretty poor looking, even at 1620p screenshots.
So, I'm trying to figure out what's exactly going on here heh. I still have AC Syndicate on my shelf, never actually opened it up, and this seemed like a good reason to get into it.
Is it just busted on actual 4K TVs, but on 1080p tvs the supersampling works as intended and it looks good?
Is it just busted on actual 4K TVs, but on 1080p tvs the supersampling works as intended and it looks good?
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
No, see that picture above where you can actually see thr pixels making up the character?
That's visible at 1080p too, it's looks like it's been nearest neighbor or bicubic upscaled from something below 900p (its 900p but it does look below that due to the visible pixels) then upscaled again to whatever your TV is.
Blackthorn
"hello?" "this is vagina"
I've only tried it on a 1080p TV (my screens are in the OP) and it was immediately apparent it wasn't 1080p, and may even look worse than the original 900p the game launched with. At 4K it's apparently dreadful.
What they've promised in the patch notes sounds great, so hopefully it's fixed soon. I haven't received a response from Ubisoft Support.
Confused Cheeseburger
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Negotiator
Member
http://kotaku.com/5884842/wait-it-costs-40000-to-patch-a-console-game
^ Is this still true today? If so, I don't expect a 2nd patch...
^ Is this still true today? If so, I don't expect a 2nd patch...
Grease Bits
Member
Sony and Microsoft had a big push this gen for the patching process being easier and cheaper (free if I recall?) on devs.
So this doesn't apply anymore
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
It can't be, some devs are patch happy and Ubisoft had zero reason to patch AC so I can't see them throwing that money down the drain with no profit
OdysseusVA
Banned
If recall correctly both MS and Sony have removed them?
chromatic9
Member
PC images with FXAA for ref
Blackthorn
"hello?" "this is vagina"
Friend of Neogaf, NXGamer, did an analysis and found the game runs at 1440x1620 on the Pro, with no change on the base PS4. Performance is marginally better but drops in the same areas.
Curiously, despite this being a higher resolution in pure numbers, the lower horizontal resolution means it looks worse, even at 1080p. NXGamer says there's an increase to IQ for 1080p screens, but I don't find this to be the case. There's a weird, blocky look to the pixels. I'd rather have a native 1920x1080.
Here's some comparison screens I took (different time of day, so don't judge graphical differences, but resolution problems are still immediately apparent):
Original
Patch 1.5
Curiously, despite this being a higher resolution in pure numbers, the lower horizontal resolution means it looks worse, even at 1080p. NXGamer says there's an increase to IQ for 1080p screens, but I don't find this to be the case. There's a weird, blocky look to the pixels. I'd rather have a native 1920x1080.
Here's some comparison screens I took (different time of day, so don't judge graphical differences, but resolution problems are still immediately apparent):
Original
Patch 1.5
funkystudent
Member
1440x1620?
Did someone accidentally edit a INI file wrong or something? What kind of resolution is that?
Did someone accidentally edit a INI file wrong or something? What kind of resolution is that?
Jesus christ this game looks ugly on the PS4 Pro right now.
I hope Ubisoft soon patches this, because with the res they describe in the patch, this game could be quite the looker, but right now it's a straight up eyesore especially compared to the screens from the PC version people posted here for reference.
I hope Ubisoft soon patches this, because with the res they describe in the patch, this game could be quite the looker, but right now it's a straight up eyesore especially compared to the screens from the PC version people posted here for reference.
Negotiator
Member
Has anyone contacted Ubisoft Support about this mess?
I contacted Bethesda and Ubisoft for this and the Dishonored 2 supersampled glitch. No response from both of them.
They are the worst.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
It might be the time of day but the original looks clearer.Friend of Neogaf, NXGamer, did an analysis and found the game runs at 1440x1620 on the Pro, with no change on the base PS4. Performance is marginally better but drops in the same areas.
Curiously, despite this being a higher resolution in pure numbers, the lower horizontal resolution means it looks worse, even at 1080p. NXGamer says there's an increase to IQ for 1080p screens, but I don't find this to be the case. There's a weird, blocky look to the pixels. I'd rather have a native 1920x1080.
Here's some comparison screens I took (different time of day, so don't judge graphical differences, but resolution problems are still immediately apparent):
Original
Patch 1.5
texhnolyze
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Blackthorn
"hello?" "this is vagina"
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
So I posted this in the other thread
I used the 1080p PC shot and resized to the the resolution PS4PRO is rendering at and then upscaled it to 4k and downscaled back down to 1080p
lo and behold the same effect is present but it's still a better image.
So I refuse to accept there is anything native being rendering, it looks like it being upscaled from 900p to that odd resolution and yet again upscaled to 4k
Native resolution for 2880x1620 checkerboard
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
It's probably supposed to be 2880x1620 but something in their checkerboard rendering pipeline fails.
This is so disappointing. Bought this Black Friday and really wanted to jump into this game and play but, I can't with it looking like this. Has there been no word at all for Ubi? I really hope they working on a fix quietly. Has digital foundry did an analysis of this game post pro patch yet?
Liabe Brave
Member
That's not how checkerboard rendering works. A frame is not duplicate rendered. And the two types of rendering combined during checkerboard are not done by "half the APU", they're just run on the entire GPU. Finally, checkerboard rendering's accuracy is not resolution-dependent. (Though the results will appear better at higher resolution, that's because the pixels subtend smaller angles. Each individual pixel is just as accurate as at lower resolutions.)
Checkerboard rendering is not a type of upscaling. It can't be applied at the end of the pipeline to boost results; it's integrated with the normal rendering process and is how you get to your initial target. Changes after that must be done with upscaling.
That's not what Shadowfall was doing. Many games have done what you say, but that's just anamorphic upscaling. Killzone was notable because it was doing something new: not upscaling, but rendering every other column in a different, cheaper manner. This allowed them to maintain a higher framerate in multiplayer with a minimal loss to detail (but some artifacts).
Devs aren't still using that technique because checkerboard rendering is a more advanced, more accurate version of it. Especially the PS4 Pro version, which uses specialized hardware to increase the consistency of the results.
First, let me add that my pixel counts also showed about 1440x1620, so I can believe it. (I say "about" because there are hideous artifacts all over the image that make counting an incredible chore, and the real results I got very noisy. They hovered around NX Gamer's numbers, though.)
As for why, it's been quite common for res-constrained games to lower their horizontal resolution and not vertical. This is because artifacts are less pronounced if you're only upscaling in one dimension. And in severe cases, the horizontal res can dip lower than the vertical even though in the final image that's not true. For example, a dynamic game may hit 960x1080.
The problem with Syndicate that makes the results noticeably bad is manifold:
1. The PS4 Pro should be able to render more pixels than 1440x1620. This is less than 1440p, and other titles have no problem hitting that natively, much less in checkerboard as Ubisoft appears to be using.
2. Ubisoft are throwing away the advantage of horizontal-only reduction, because they have to scale 1440x1620 in both dimensions anyway.
3. Whatever scaling method they've chosen for this 8/3 and 4/3 blowup is awful. This is the biggest culprit in the end results. I don't even know that it's nearest-neighbor, because there's blur and noise everywhere. Maybe they're doing the upscale at a weird point in the chain, and AA is grabbing bad samples? Whatever the reason, it gives abysmal IQ.
TGO
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No but NX gamer has, he reckons it's rendering at 1440x1620p but even at that odd resolution I find it hard to believe because it still looks low res .
Looks more like it's been resized from 900p to that resolution and then stretched to 4k