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[TLZ]

They can't do that, it would be admitting that the Xbox One was a failure. MS wants to have their cake and eat it too. Well, here is the result of that.

I have a feeling they'll announce that at e3 under the excuse that the console is so powerful it distanced itself from the xbox one and they had created a monster masterpiece for gamers with 10tf of sheer power and they had to call it their next-gen system. Hype follows.

 

[Protome]

? That's what Microsoft's "beyond generations" tagline is all about. eventually the OG XB1 will be dropped.

I don't think Microsoft's "beyond generations" tagline has anything to with promising backwards compatibility forever. Yes, they'll drop the OG XB1 at some point and they aren't pretending otherwise.

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

How do you feel about the number 10? >

My guess would have been 8-10TF @ FP32. Allows the console to be the base model for a very long time based on the ability to start developing @ onQ FP16 levels once native 4K/30 or 60 can no longer be achieved.

 

[SprachBrooks]

That's some smooth PR

'It'll make your current XBOX games look like complete SHIT!'

lol can't stop laughing.

 

[bidguy]

im more curious as to why we havent heard anything concrete about it since e3.

 

[gaming_noob]

I suspect they will go higher than the 6TF they've announced. Just a hunch.

Yeah. 6.2 TF

 

[Kaako]

My guess would have been 8-10TF @ FP32. Allows the console to be the base model for a very long time based on the ability to start developing @ onQ FP16 levels once native 4K/30 or 60 can no longer be achieved.

I think you will be pleasantly "surprised."

 

[Astral Dog]

wait, where does this leave the SWITCH?

 

[EGM1966]

I'm sure that's essentially true but I'm not sure MS want current Slim purchasers thinking they're purchase is potentially going to be so out of date so soon.

Like Sony with the Pro (although the gap while notable is smaller there) I'm very curious to see how MS actually handles having two consoles on the market with such a power disparity and make both appealing to buy.

I know Pro is out but thus far most games are only boasting what feels like fairly late bumps for a Pro mode (some are very good admitedly) so I feel that they situation isn't fully "out of the bag" there yet in terms of the different between games really exploting Pro vs standard PS4.

Similarly I'm very curious just how big a gap there will be between games exploiting Scorpio vs Slim.

While some consumers will obviously love the revisions there's also the potential for disenchantment with existing customers who feel their purchase has been invalidated to an extent.

It's a damn interesting state of affairs for games consoles with a true mid-cycle revision vs a simple "slim" model.

 

[TLZ]

im more curious as to why we havent heard anything concrete about it since e3.

Why would they? We shouldn't hear anything about it really until sometime closer to e3 next year. They have the Xbox one s to sell.

 

[kittenbreath]

It seriously should just be a next gen system with excellent backwards compatibility.

I've always believed that this is what it would turn out to be, with XB1 getting a couple years worth of downports/cross-gen support. They're just feeding the notion of it being in the XB1 "family" so as to not sunset the device a year before Scorpio hits the market.

 

[Bits N Pieces]

How do you feel about the number 10? >

10 would be like looking through a Window to a new world....

 

[Greatest Ever]

that is why generationless console will never happen, eventually OG xbone won't be able to run newer game no matter how much they downgrade the visual.

Why not? Where are we getting this from?

 

[Kaako]

10 would be like looking through a Window to a new world....

It would be quite fitting, don't ya think?

 

[gaming_noob]

It would be quite fitting, don't ya think?

I know it's not going to happen but the faux teases still excite me.

 

[borges]

The sooner you admit it's a new hardware cycle/gen for you, the smoother the transition will be. Think about it, MS.

But its not a new generation. Microsoft never said that. At least, not in the conventional way of thinking generations.
Both consoles share the same OS, same store, same games catalog, same services, same controller, same everything.
Except raw power.
My understanding of MS message for me, then, seems clear:

-> You want an affordable, less powerful device to get access to this ecosystem? Go for Xbox One S.

-> You want an expensive, much more powerful device to get access to it? Go for Scorpio.

Unless Im missing something.

 

[VincentMatts]

no one left behind

The games are still playable, do you start crying every time the new iPhone comes out too?

 

[meerak]

Hm! Well, I'll believe it when I see it.

I know this wasn't the intention, and I'm sure this isn't how MS wants the message to be received, but to me the thread title communicated "OG XB1 games will look awful once Scorpio is out".
So... sucks if you have an XB1? :S

If the above really is the case, maybe they should sell this as generational shift of sorts rather than take the same attitude as the PS Pro?

 

[Space_nut]

I think you will be pleasantly "surprised."

Ok what's happening?! 10 teraflop! That would just make E3 that much more fun to see

 

[Triteon]

They need to just cut off the XBO if this is true. They need to have a trade in program and just say fuck it, if they're serious about dominating the market.

It will have been four years since the release of the Xbone. which is the same amount of time between the OG xbox and the 360 and there were no trade in programs then.

Even if they did cut it off there is no reason there would be a trade in program.

 

[Chris1]

Is kaako an insider or something?

 

[BocoDragon]

Dropping Xbox for 360 after only 4 years was the best move they did, who says lightening can't strike twice?

Mind blown. It is the same timeframe.

 

[Kaako]

Is kaako an insider or something?

Hell to the naw. I just think Collingwood might be pleasantly surprised, is all.

 

[Arkam]

The quotes from the OP dont sound that great. But only time will tell on how MS (and Devs) make use of the new hardware when it release next fall/winter. I really hope they mandate some sort of performance parity standards.

 

[Chris1]

Hell to the naw. I just think Collingwood might be pleasantly surprised, is all.

Ohh

Well I do think it's gonna be higher than 6 aswell, dunno about 8-10 but I think it was obvious they were lowballing it.

 

[therealbigrich]

So guess question is do you want games that look way better like res and ultra settings that may happen on Scorpio or just a res bump like ps pro for the most part.

 

[justsomeguy]

Meanwhile PC games continue to thrive, thanks to being built on an ENTIRELY different technology base.

 

[borges]

So guess question is do you want games that look way better like res and ultra settings that may happen on Scorpio or just a res bump like ps pro for the most part.

whynotboth.gif

Already released games: res bump
Future games: use the full power of scorpio

 

[etrain911]

But its not a new generation. Microsoft never said that. At least, not in the conventional way of thinking generations.
Both consoles share the same OS, same store, same games catalog, same services, same controller, same everything.
Except raw power.
My understanding of MS message for me, then, seems clear:

-> You want an affordable, less powerful device to get access to this ecosystem? Go for Xbox One S.

-> You want an expensive, much more powerful device to get access to it? Go for Scorpio.

Unless Im missing something.

One could argue that that does not make for good PR. It sounds very similar to "We have something for those customers: Xbox 360", although at least the XB1 will be getting the same library.

 

[jelly]

It will be telling if Microsoft don't call Scorpio 'Xbox One' something but I think either way Xbox One is getting put out to pasture in 3-5 years like any generation but with a full BC cherry on top.

As for the power difference, consoles aren't toasters, they can do a lot and scale well. There might be the odd PC experience out of reach but there isn't a lot that couldn't be done, input method aside.

 

[Macrotus]

However, Iliesiu also said that, “If it’ll be the other way around, and the games will be pushed to the limits, to look amazing on the Scorpio first, it’ll probably feel like playing on an old laptop, when playing that game on the Xbox One.”

If I were a OG XBO owner who didn't have any plans to upgrade, I be really disappointed.
Because didn't Phil say something like OG XBO and Scorpio are planned to co-exist?

This is already happening with OG PS4 and Pro.
Like with TLG. With OG XBO and Scorpio, its a much wider gap...

 

[Dash_Riprock]

Dropping Xbox for 360 after only 4 years was the best move they did, who says lightening can't strike twice?

Because unlike then, Sony doesn't look like they're going to release a $600 console.

 

[borges]

One could argue that that does not make for good PR. It sounds very similar to "We have something for those customers: Xbox 360", although at least the XB1 will be getting the same library.

Its not only the same library. Its the same OS, same store, same services, same controller (or at least compat). Same everything, literally. *
But yeah, MS should take care of to communicate this message clearly.

* VR could be the exception, though.

 

[Kaako]

If I were a OG XBO owner who didn't have any plans to upgrade, I be really disappointed.
Because didn't Phil say something like OG XBO and Scorpio are planned to co-exist?

This is already happening with OG PS4 and Pro.
Like with TLG. With OG XBO and Scorpio, its a much wider gap...

If you think the disparities between the OG PS4 & PS4 Pro versions are bad now, you just wait till XB1/S to Scorpio version disparities. We're in for a wild ride, that's for damn sure.

 

[Stinkles]

Thread title is making me bonkers. I'm literally just talking about the parsing, not the tech of the systems at all. It should read:

"Comparing Scorpio Games with Xbone Games will be Like Comparing Neo Geo and PC Engine"


or

"Xbone Games will look like Intellivision Once they've Been ColecoVisioned by Scorpio!"

 

[Space_nut]

Thread title is making me bonkers. I'm literally just talking about the parsing, not the tech of the systems at all. It should read:

"Comparing Scorpio Games with Xbone Games will be Like Comparing Neo Geo and PC Engine"


or

"Xbone Games will look like Intellivision Once they've Been ColecoVisioned by Scorpio!"

Will Scorpio be utilized to the max by the fine folks at 343?

 

[Macrotus]

If you think the disparities between the OG PS4 & PS4 Pro versions are bad now, you just wait till XB1/S to Scorpio version disparities. We're in for a wild ride, that's for damn sure.

Yeah thats what I'm saying.
The gap between OG XBO and Scorpio is much bigger than an OG PS4 vs Pro.

I don't even wanna imagine how a game made for the Scorpio first in mind would run on an OG XBO...

 

[Stinkles]

Will Scorpio be utilized to the max by the fine folks at 343?

I can only talk about the Vectrexiszation of our Game and Watch.

 

[borges]

Yeah thats what I'm saying.
The gap between OG XBO and Scorpio is much bigger than an OG PS4 vs Pro.

I don't even wanna imagine how a game made for the Scorpio first in mind would run on an OG XBO...

Well, but theres nothing wrong with it. I mean, Xbox One users will still have the chance to play a game otherwise wouldnt be able to (talking specifically about Scorpio first ones).

 

[Space_nut]

I can only talk about the Vectrexiszation of our Game and Watch.

Mmmm Vectrexiszation!! Sounds yummy

 

[tapedeck]

You mean to tell me the version of a game on a console at least 5x as powerful as its predecessor will look dramatically better on that system?!?!

OUTRAGE.

 

[Kaako]

Yeah thats what I'm saying.
The gap between OG XBO and Scorpio is much bigger than an OG PS4 vs Pro.

I don't even wanna imagine how a game made for the Scorpio first in mind would run on an OG XBO...

All I can say is our eyes ain't ready. Gaf will most likely go nuclear once the first DF video comparisons hit.

 

[etta]

So... water is wet?

 

[Jimm]

They really should just call it a new console and make XBO games backwards compatible. Solve a lot of confusion.

 

[michaelius]

Ohh

Well I do think it's gonna be higher than 6 aswell, dunno about 8-10 but I think it was obvious they were lowballing it.

Good luck with that:
4,2TF PS4 Pro is 150W

just to get 6TF apu using same process we are looking at 200+ watts and big increase in die size.
10 TF would be above 300W and more than twice the size

 

[borges]

Good luck with that:
4,2TF PS4 Pro is 150W

just to get 6TF apu using same process we are looking at 200+ watts and big increase in die size.
10 TF would be above 300W and more than twice the size

 

[Space_nut]

All I can say is our eyes ain't ready. Gaf will most likely go nuclear once the first DF video comparisons hit.

Bring it on

I wonder how Forza Motorsport 7 will look

 

[Renekton]

I still believe the Scorpio is MS's next gen console. If so, it kinda makes sense. MS might dont wanna admit it but .....

Not if it reuses weak Jaguar CPU cores

 

[Chris1]

Good luck with that:
4,2TF PS4 Pro is 150W

just to get 6TF apu using same process we are looking at 200+ watts and big increase in die size.
10 TF would be above 300W and more than twice the size

"dunno about 8-10"

as in, i doubt it but i think itll be higher than 6. Maybe closer to 7.

 

[Movalpolos]

I have a few friends that are convinced XB1 S is actually playing all their games in 4K (360 games included).

They think the XB1 S is the Scorpio. I'd like to see if MS can clear up that confusion. Because most people that bought and XB1 S recently are just not going to buy a Scorpio.