Yeah if that thing still uses jaguar.. I mean it'll probably have a pretty beefy GPU and do 4K better than the Pro does, so there's still some merit to that statement, since laptop screens aren't exactly the best, I guess?
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Yeah if that thing still uses jaguar.. I mean it'll probably have a pretty beefy GPU and do 4K better than the Pro does, so there's still some merit to that statement, since laptop screens aren't exactly the best, I guess?
Always-honest
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Completely different or just some higher res textures and a res bump?
sugarhigh4242
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I think this is the answer. Scorpio is Xbox Two. What's less clear is whether PS4 Pro will actually bridge the gap with PS5, or if it will die the same day PS4 dies.
SEGAvangelist
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No. This is just one developer saying what would happen if they targeting Scorpio rather than XB1 initially. And MS isn't.
DOWN
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For me:
It evokes the mess that was Black Ops 3 cross gen, in which BO3 looked messier than even the previous game did on last gen because the game had pushed to far and downgrading it for weaker systems meant hacking it to pieces and hurting the aesthetic dramatically more than just putting the setting lower
This feels like less of a problem than anyone is making it out to be.
The PC space has worked like this successfully since the dawn of PC gaming. It's fine.
I'm glad the console market is moving towards mid-cycle refreshes and hopefully "backwards compatibility" is something that we laugh about in 10 years, because your Xbox One games will still play on your latest XPotato.
We may finally start getting (some of) the best of both worlds in the console space if PS4Pro and Scorpio model catch on.
The PC space has worked like this successfully since the dawn of PC gaming. It's fine.
I'm glad the console market is moving towards mid-cycle refreshes and hopefully "backwards compatibility" is something that we laugh about in 10 years, because your Xbox One games will still play on your latest XPotato.
We may finally start getting (some of) the best of both worlds in the console space if PS4Pro and Scorpio model catch on.
family_guy
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If Scorpio is $500+, they won't have the consumer base to justify a new gen. That's why they should wait until the costs comes down. Maybe the end of 2018.
I think it works well for them in the sense of being able to offer a powerful console for a cheaper price when PS5 arrives and still have another console to leap frog the PS5 in their pocket. Xbox One/S support will be dead other than BC but a 6TF Scorpio a year or two on will easily hang in there with a PS5/Scorpio 2.0 but at a mass appeal price.
Fun fact: there are already out there PCs with more than 6TF ? Playing XBOX games at a hugely improved quality.
"It'll make you current XBOX games look as average as they look today on Xbox One and as modern games on Scorpio"
Sky is blue.
Gamingbolt still a shit tier site.
To expand ask same old already answered questions --> create 10+ news pieces with clickbait titles from said interview --> profit??
Gamingbolt still a shit tier site.
OMG guys! 6TF > 1.3 or so TF. Wow.
Doesn't even have to be unknown with them.gamingbolt surely has been doing a lot of work to promote Scorpio
Same pattern: interview unknown developer->clickbait on N4G->money??
To expand ask same old already answered questions --> create 10+ news pieces with clickbait titles from said interview --> profit??
tiebreaker
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Pretty much the opposite of Sony who try to downplay their mid gen refresh.
Lets see how this pans out.
Lets see how this pans out.
Yes, the new console versions aren't changing anything.
this is not MSFT saying it, for fuck sake.
people.... the games wont target Scorpio, they will target xbox 1
Yep
It's basically Windows 10. They can target both. Welcome to the PC world. Relax.
WhiskerFrisker
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And it should not. People are already complaining about how mid gen refreshes will jiust kill the original systems and I think Microsoft should cull any and all talks of Xbox One becoming obsolete when Scorpio releases. We' d never hear the end of it.
Ricky Ricardo
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Well, I mean, the OG XB1, even the XB1S, has 12CUs, 768ALU, 16ROPs.
The PS4 Pro has 36CUs, and if games like Death Stranding, The Last of Us Part II, and Uncharted: The Lost Legacy end up looking like their PSX trailers at retail, they'll be amazing visually.
The Xbox Scorpio is beyond even that. To think this wouldn't be the case is hilariously shortsighted. The XB1 simply doesn't have what it takes to really push things any more, it is a hobbled console, which is why games like Gears of War 4 and Forza Horizon 3 looking like they do in XB1 means a world of possibility for Scorpio-helmed games.
Put me on the "Slowly phase out the XB1 and push the Scorpio to its limits" train.
The PS4 Pro has 36CUs, and if games like Death Stranding, The Last of Us Part II, and Uncharted: The Lost Legacy end up looking like their PSX trailers at retail, they'll be amazing visually.
The Xbox Scorpio is beyond even that. To think this wouldn't be the case is hilariously shortsighted. The XB1 simply doesn't have what it takes to really push things any more, it is a hobbled console, which is why games like Gears of War 4 and Forza Horizon 3 looking like they do in XB1 means a world of possibility for Scorpio-helmed games.
Put me on the "Slowly phase out the XB1 and push the Scorpio to its limits" train.
UpDownLeftRight
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But that's a really hard sell then. People will wonder why the PS4/XB1 is receiving the same games when MS would be on a new gen. Not to mention the price difference between them for them only to have very similar libraries.
I'd wager a guess that the larger portion of system sales are usually driven by wanting access to the games that last gen doesn't have. Scorpio will be marketing itself to only the most dedicated Xbox gamers as it's asking the largest price for the same library. I can't see people who don't have any current gen systems buying one in droves and the rest of the potential customers already have access to that library.
sems4arsenal
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3rd party games won't have this issue since the PS4 is still out there. Exclusives are another ball park but agree that they should just call it a new gen and be done with it.
Might as well do that or be scorpio only. I doubt most games will fare as well as the 360 ports of RotTR and TF1 with that kind of gap.
i know, but people are acting like they will leave out the xbox 1 the instant scorpio launches. thats not the case
IronicSonic
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Premiun price though
Duxxy3
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I'm guessing it'll be similar to the COD transition
Ghosts was made for 360, but looked better on XB1 and PS4. Not a huge difference though.
AW was made for XB1/PS4 and the 360/PS3 versions suffered for it.
BO3 was made for XB1/PS4 and the 360/PS3 versions lost their campaigns.
IW was made for XB1/PS4 and the 360/PS3 versions don't exist.
By 2018, most games will be down ported from Scorpio/Pro. 2019 the remaining new PS4/XB1 titles will be severely downgraded.
This really doesn't mean anything. He's just stating a hypothetical.
Based on what MS said at E3. Scorpio will not get exclusive games and I HIGHLY doubt they'll target Scropio as the baseline. At least not this early.
If anything the end of 2018 you'll see both the OG PS4 and Xbox start to phase out, as Scorpio and PS4pro become the new normal. Then Sony launches the PS5 sometime in 2019.
Based on what MS said at E3. Scorpio will not get exclusive games and I HIGHLY doubt they'll target Scropio as the baseline. At least not this early.
If anything the end of 2018 you'll see both the OG PS4 and Xbox start to phase out, as Scorpio and PS4pro become the new normal. Then Sony launches the PS5 sometime in 2019.
eso76
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Eh, I can play PC games on my a 10tflop machine or my 2tflops laptop.
Devs will just have to not use that power in ways that it won't be scalable.
Like, no matter how much you cut back on graphics, a psone couldn't have run gta3 or Morrowind. Certainly not in the same shape.
Otherwise, just drop res, shaders etc and what you get is the same game, only uglier.
Besides, how many games this gen presented something you couldn't replicate on PS360, sacrificing graphics or performance ?
Can't think of any, honestly.
Also, yes, this is non-news. We know the specs, the leap is significant.
Were you expecting it to not translate to what the games are going to look like ? That wouldn't make sense
Most of the 3rd party games also have PC versions. There's really no big issue to target multiple configs these days.
Just make it a new, fully backwards compatible console, Microsoft. No need to anchor it to the Xbox One.
Third-parties will make games for both for years, you'll be able to dazzle with stunning 1080p Xbox Scorpio exclusives (why are you trying to sell 4K TVs?), and you'll get the jump on Sony.
Third-parties will make games for both for years, you'll be able to dazzle with stunning 1080p Xbox Scorpio exclusives (why are you trying to sell 4K TVs?), and you'll get the jump on Sony.
Garrett 2U
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Maybe at first while the Scorpio is gaining its user base.
But eventually games will transition to targeting Scorpio.
That's pretty much what it is.
Bits N Pieces
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I don't think they meant it but that is one of the most unintentionally funny things I've read ages, lol.
by the time that happens, we would have a new generation traditionally, but it seems we are past those
sems4arsenal
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You still have the baseline to target which are the consoles, the most important platform is still the PS4 and will be for the next 2-3 years so no way the Devs will have shitty ports on them anytime soon.
Teletraan1
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They really should just end support for XB1 shortly after this comes out if that is the case.
I still believe the Scorpio is MS's next gen console. If so, it kinda makes sense. MS might dont wanna admit it but .....
outunderthestars
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Really hope that we get a good look at the system sometime this Spring.
Garrett 2U
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Developers don't even target Xbox One now, they target PC.
We don't regard the Xbox One or PS4 versions as looking like trash, they just look worse.
Scorpio games will just look closer to highest quality PC graphics than Xbox One does.
LordBaztion
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great, they really need to make Scorpio feel like a next gen console.
ok, it is not MS who said that, I still hope develoeprs use scorpio in the best way.
ok, it is not MS who said that, I still hope develoeprs use scorpio in the best way.
Who said anything about shitty ports? Even today devs have games runnning on Xbox One and PS4 and the same games running at way better quality and performance on high end PCs.
MSFT didnt say this
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