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[Urthor]

They expect to make actual money with this piece of shit?

Sega. Dreamcast. Literally all there is to it. It will sell better than the Wii U as a premium 3DS for the hardcore portable fans, but it's way too expensive for the traditional kiddie mobile market, which Nintendo are waving the white flag in, right decision but brave of them, but I cannot see it making inroads into a saturated full on console market without multiple Ocarina of Time level titles in a short space of time. And Nintendo can't do that.


Third party will be here though. Plenty of shovel knight/rocket league tier experiences can use this, they'll port over indie titles hand over fist, just lol @AAA

 

[Rodin]

Wait the iPhone 7 is 730 gflops ffs. That would mean the thing is equivalent to 80% of an IPhone 7 gpu while docked. Wow. Nintendo is seriously cheaping out on the HW. I mean the damn thing is basically an underclocked Nvidia Shield for crying out loud. What a shame.

Not surprised to see why Zelda has been running in the 20-something fps area.

Yeah let's stop with the bullshit now. Zelda was the Wii U version badly encoded (NS version was only shown at Fallon's and it was rock solid 30fps even during the explosion) and the iPhone is nowhere near 700 gflops.

If it was more powerful than the battery life will be bad and people complain.

If the battery life is long but the specs are lower than the Shield TV than people will complain.

Nintendo can never win.

We don't know if the battery life is going to be even decent.

 

[Zombegoast]

If it was more powerful than the battery life will be bad and people complain.

If the battery life is long but the specs are lower than the Shield TV than people will complain.

Nintendo can never win.

 

[kraspkibble]

Anyway play on smartphone is a terribile experience, it becomes hot in like 10 min and battery life is less than 2 hours, I understand why they choose to have good battery life and comfortable user experience.

definitely need good battery life. downclocking it will help heat but you won't be actually holding the part of the console that heats up unlike a smartphone. you'll be holding it by the joycons.

 

[Joeshabadoo]

Not surprised to see why Zelda has been running in the 20-something fps area.

please direct us to this magical direct feed switch footage with Breath of the Wild running at 20 fps. we're dying to see it

 

[Easy_D]

And this why I hate Nintendo, such low powered shite! 3rd party devs will not develop games with this crap in mind, yet again Nintendo are not 'getting' it.

Rise of the Tomb Raider was ported to Xbox 360. Repeat after me:

It's not the specs, it's the sales.


Shit I've wanted a portable Gamecube-tier portable forever so a portable Wii U is fine with me to be honest.

 

[Matbtz]

We saw it can run BotW quite smoothly, so I'll wait the January event before going all out on how Nintendo is doomed.

 

[Diprosalic]

I'll wait for Nintendo to actually give us specs,but if true this better be cheap

you can wait for a long time then.

 

[KillerMan91]

Again, I was obviously talking about the special edition.

Skyrim Special Edition is not exactly remake. It has some touches here and there but it's still Skyrim. Lowering the resolution to 720p from 1080p (that it had on current gen consoles) and I don't see how it couldn't be possible with these specs. Switch is still going to be decent bit above WiiU.

 

[KingBroly]

Lol. Throw in another benjamin.

That'd be too much. It'd have to be $199 at those specs.

I don't buy these specs, cuz it'd make no sense to have that vent on there. It wouldn't need it at all.

 

[LordKano]

Yeah, like 3DS getting good third party support. Rumor has it Monster Hunter is leaving Nintendo for PS4 and when it's gone there will be nothing else left but Etrian Odyssey and Inazuma Eleven.

Seriously, this sounds like a freaking crisis for Nintendo. I hope they're paying western third party some very good money to keep them there. Otherwise NoA and NoE shutting down will be reality.

This meltdown is ridiculous.

 

[SinCityAssassin]

Yeah, like 3DS getting good third party support. Rumor has it Monster Hunter is leaving Nintendo for PS4 and when it's gone there will be nothing else left but Etrian Odyssey and Inazuma Eleven.

Seriously, this sounds like a freaking crisis for Nintendo. I hope they're paying western third party some very good money to keep them there. Otherwise NoA and NoE shutting down will be reality.

Ignoring the hyperbole, give me some receipts.

 

[Persona7]

Wonder if they can hit 1080p and 60FPS with smash bros considering the OS overhead. Should be light but who knows with the recording software or whatever this thing will have.

 

[MuchoMalo]

Usually in the mobile space they measure the performance of the gpu in the number of operation it can do half precision or FP16. So when converted into full precision the number is halved.

The numbers he's using for Switch are half-precision.


The only saving grace for this is if it has 4 SMs. It would explain the need for a fan at least. I highly doubt it though, since that would substantially increase the cost of the chip.



By the way, for the people excited about it being weak, I hate to burst your bubbles but lowering clock speeds doesn't save any money other than increasing yields. It's still gonna be at least $250.

Wonder if they can hit 1080p and 60FPS with smash bros considering the OS overhead. Should be light but who knows with the recording software or whatever this thing will have.

Smash is already 1080p60 on Wii U.

 

[MilkBeard]

Kinda disappointed. But then again, this IS Nintendo we are talking about.

 

[Pancakes R Us]

Dying to see the price. 150$?

I doubt it. Nintendo is selling 3DS XL for what, $200? I feel like There's no way Nintendo will price it this low. Maybe $250 if we're lucky.

Here's to hoping.

 

[sfedai0]

We are entering the 4k/HDR age and Nintendo is just coming out with a 720/1080p system.

 

[Interfectum]

If it was more powerful than the battery life will be bad and people complain.

If the battery life is long but the specs are lower than the Shield TV than people will complain.

Nintendo can never win.

That battery life might still be shit, though.

 

[Durante]

But the money question: if it really is 153 GPU GFlops in portable mode, is it actually weaker than the Wii U? I understand GFlops don't always translate 1-to-1?

It's probably a bit higher in effective performance in most workloads, even in portable mode.

More importantly (especially since people ask "how can it run Skyrim"), it also has access to a lot more memory and a faster CPU.

 

[dynamitejim]

Nintendo are such a joke. Just get out of the hardware business already. I'm sure this thing will have a tiny battery and all kinds of build quality issues, too.

Stick to NES Classic style toys and let the big boys handle real consoles.

 

[le.phat]

Incredible how this company keeps coming up with new ways to dissapoint me.

 

[Pachimari]

As long as I get Wii U levels of performance in portable mode I'll be happy.

 

[outunderthestars]

And this why I hate Nintendo, such low powered shite! 3rd party devs will not develop games with this crap in mind, yet again Nintendo are not 'getting' it.

Honest question: How could Nintendo make something powerful enough for easy PS4/XB1 ports yet still function as a portable?

 

[Trago]

That shit's gonna cost $300, watch lol.

Nintendo are gonna pull a fast one.

 

[Rolf NB]

Is handheld mode a must for devs?

No they can extend the magnetic anchor into the base to make them inseparable.

 

[BreakAtmo]

It doesn't. The CPU is better, the RAM is better, but the GPU is weaker than Wii U on paper and no more than 10% faster in practice. It's just a Wii U with better hardware that can play Wii U-level games with newer effects (not necessarily better) at 720p on the go and 1080p at home.

This is a more modern chip with different architecture and FP16, and as DF said, they don't know what potential custom work may have been done to this thing to improve it further. As they said, this is just the clock speeds.

 

[Huw_Dawson]

This will be $300 on release and you'll still buy it for the IP, and Nintendo will not lose a cent on the sale of the hardware.

 

[SSM25]

Man, I'm so frustrated.. I was hoping for the return of the old nintendo.. hoy many engineer hours are needed to cut clock speeds to a two year old SoC ?

 

[Ombala]

RiP AAA support if true.

 

[komplanen]

So it's significantly more underpowered than people expected. And what people expected was a console significantly underpowered compared to PS4.

I don't know what is going on anymore, Nintendo.

 

[Sidewinder]

With Switch being so weak compared to the One/PS4 and Pro/Scorpio (obviously), will we see a new home console from Nintendo in one or two years?

What makes the Switch so desirable to me, is the fact, that Nintendo can concentrate their developing might on one device only...but if that isn't really the case, I wouldn't be too happy about it. Nobody knows, right?

 

[kraspkibble]

That battery life might still be shit, though.

last i seen it was rumoured to be about the same if not slightly better than a 3DS. something like 5-8 hours i think it was. can't seem to find the source at the moment.

 

[PdotMichael]

It's probably a bit higher in effective performance in most workloads, even in portable mode.

More importantly (especially since people ask "how can it run Skyrim"), it also has access to a lot more memory and a faster CPU.

Well, the joke is that Skyrim isn't even confirmed.

 

[nbnt]

That's good news because it means less money to pay for the thing. It's not like Nintendo is suddenly going to get all the third party support if they made a supercomputer, so why bother?

 

[PantsuJo]

Lol, weak as fuck

 

[DOT DASH DOT]

Rise of the Tomb Raider was ported to Xbox 360. Repeat after me:

It's not the specs, it's the sales.


Shit I've wanted a portable Gamecube-tier portable forever so a portable Wii U is fine with me to be honest.

But it is, I mean it's so underpowered, anything they dev on better hardware just won't make the cut, will be hobbled to shit! Switch will attract the same Nintendo devotees whom are not really interested with the kind of games that are on other consoles anyway, same old same old.

 

[18-Volt]

I personally don't care as I have no interest in third party Switch games.

You guys really happy with first party support? Another boring Monolith game, another dull textile 2D platformer? Let's face it, Nintendo first party output was worst on Wii U and that's going to get any better. All those Wii U remasters are suggesting this.

RiP Nintendo if true.

Fixed.

 

[outunderthestars]

RiP AAA support if true.

Come on, it was never going to see AAA third party support regardless of hardware power.

 

[TheSpoiler]

I mean if Nintendo ups their output and lands some good 3rd party games it'll do at least better than the Wii U. Power is a necessary thing for games, and not just for graphics but portability matters for many games.

That being said if this is true so many people are going to eat crow on this lmaoooo.

 

[wapplew]

Couldn't care less about the spec. If switch can run those games as advertise, I'm satisfy.

 

[SinCityAssassin]

last i seen it was rumoured to be about the same if not slightly better than a 3DS. something like 5-8 hours i think it was. can't seem to find the source at the moment.

Earlier dev kit rumored at mediocre 3-4 hours, new rumor has it at basically 5-7.

 

[Renekton]

According to Laura Kate Dale, we should expect this to hit the $250 price range (or $300 if you want Splatoon Switch & possibly more memory).

So Nintendo and Nvidia need their HW margins

 

[KingSnake]

If it was more powerful than the battery life will be bad and people complain.

If the battery life is long but the specs are lower than the Shield TV than people will complain.

Nintendo can never win.

Go away with this bullshit. There are a lot of shades of grey in between. The battery life doesn't explain why the Switch is way below Tegra X1 capabilities while docked.

 

[Ouroboros]

I really don't care about specs. I loved the 3DS library and it was outputting 240p. If I get the same quality of games for the Switch like I did for the 3DS that is fine.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

This will be $300 on release and you'll still buy it for the IP, and Nintendo will not lose a cent on the sale of the hardware.

Shit, if this thing is $300, Nintendo will be making an absolute killing on the hardware.

They'd likely make a nice profit at $199.

 

[Jinfash]

Why the hell does it need fans then?

Cause otherwise nobody would buy it.

 

[Fdkn]

Come on, it was never going to see AAA third party support regardless of hardware power.

You say this now, but look at the last months/years of rumours.

 

[Father_Brain]

LOL at people acting like this is a last-minute downgrade and Switch is any less powerful than it was planned to be as of three or six months ago.

It wasn't going to get current-gen AAA ports anyway, with few exceptions. Get another platform for those, deal with it.

 

[Matbtz]

We are entering the 4k/HDR age and Nintendo is just coming out with a 720/1080p system.

Yep as you said we are entering the 4k/HDR so most of the users don't have 4K TV.

 

[Deleted member 125677]

sounds par for the course, weak specs, tries to sell the thing as a unique concept.

I don't really care that much, it'll be a mostly Nintendo exclusive sidekick console for me. But it'd be cool if the thing was at least able to run some neat multiparty titles like Rocket League etc properly on the go.