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Digital Foundry: Nintendo Switch CPU and GPU clock speeds revealed
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Yeah, I'm actually very excited for that. Makes things easier on everyone.
pretty much all we have left. If this thing is over $200 they can rightfully fuck off.
Fuck that i was expecting to match the X1 at least when in docked mode... i didn't even get that!
outunderthestars
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The number of people buying Nintendo consoles as their main/only platform has to be incredibly small these days. I think you have unrealistic expectations.
If they backtracked on specs because of battery life, I'll be pissed.
JoshuaJSlone
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If people keep denying Switch is a new generation, I demand Breath of the Wild become eligible for 2010 Game of the Year.
Ehh, I think it's mostly telling us that it's been under an hour since this broke.Aostia said:
FlaygletheBagel
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Definitely disappointing if true, but I'll reserve judgment until the reveal and specs are 100% confirmed. DF is more reliable than most, but we also thought that about Eurogamer (who were certain Pascal was the chip architecture) and Venture Beat (with their GFLOP calculations that aren't consistent with DF's).
We will see. Nintendo is able to squeeze a lot out of weaker hardware and I have no doubt their lineup will look and run great, but western third parties will seriously struggle with current gen ports if these DF specs are accurate.
We will see. Nintendo is able to squeeze a lot out of weaker hardware and I have no doubt their lineup will look and run great, but western third parties will seriously struggle with current gen ports if these DF specs are accurate.
SinCityAssassin
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Dude it's been an hour and probably Laura is the only one whose time zone is at a good hour.
Speaking of:
Laura Kate Dale said:
Simon-chan
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How much is it in DBZ terms?
Xbox 360 version port incoming.
Plinko
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This is exactly what the rumors stated over the past couple years. They wanted to go for a pricepoint that would encourage impulse buying.
No, it's still 50% faster in single precision than Wii U with 256 cuda cores, it is ~3x faster in raw fp16 compute, but of course you'd draw back, and that is when on the go, docked, even with these clocks, it is still ~400gflops single precision and 786gflops fp16 (again not what you'd be able to accomplish in a game, but gives some idea of max performance at this lower end. Lastly Maxwell still has a heavy advantage flop to flop with GCN, this means that the portable in single precision is still comparable to ~220 fp32 gflops, and 440 fp16 gflops when compared (favorably to GCN) that of course is all just depending on dev wizardry and isn't a hard number as you'd estimate that you'd actually only get ~300gflops (compared to gcn) for a game using fp16.
I don't see how you'd need to actively cool this device though, it really doesn't make sense if this only has 2SM, it is now much more likely that it has 3SM or even 4SM to require the fans and vent. The low clock on the CPU is also off LCGeek's rumor, which makes this odd again.
Indeed, but even then...
Mr. Popo.
SinCityAssassin
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Master Roshi.
Agree.
It still would've been great as a 540p handheld. But these clock speeds are so low I'm disappointed in both hardware configurations for now.
Krillin.
We have only one report about pricing (from Laura Kate) : 199 £ / 249 $ IIRC
LordOfChaos
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RIP Tegra X1 as the minimum speculated baseline.
Still not as bad as WUST I guess
Gohan to Piccolo, unless 3SM or 4SM then back to Gohan.
Gotdatmoney
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I think people are shocked because this is worse than the Nvidia Shield. Never expected that they would basically downgrade the hardware from that standard. Well Nontendo gonna Nintendo I guess.
Simon-chan
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Ok, next question.
Can it run DQXI (PS4 version)?
Can it run DQXI (PS4 version)?
I expected that SoC will stick very closely to the Tegra X1 package, but clocks put that well below what Shield tablet can do. At least battery life will be longer.
This HW can run everything... but optimization will be a bitch. This is much weaker hardware than PS4 [even more so in portable mode]. Expect many games to render in sub-720p and 30fps.
This HW can run everything... but optimization will be a bitch. This is much weaker hardware than PS4 [even more so in portable mode]. Expect many games to render in sub-720p and 30fps.
Kissenkopf
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This fucking hyperbole is disgusting as fuck.
When we saw the first video of the Switch everybody was happy and at least everybody thought we would get a portable Wii U and that would be a pretty big leap over the 3DS.
The fans were happy with what they saw im the reveal trailer but suddenly everything is shit because of some specs, outside of NeoGAF nobody cares for. Thats the problem with some of you. You guys think the peoplr in the real world would care for such stuff...but they only care for games. If they lool good, then they will accept the device. And Nintendo is in the position to sell a weak home console as a fucking strong handheld. Well one side would always be dissapointed but that some of you are not capable of thinking like an adult is very strange to say the least.
Nintendo has showed the concept and that actually sold many people on the console...
And if they create some hype at january 13th this thing will sell well and Mario have never been running around on a Playstation, where the audience for such kind of games isnt there anyway.
SinCityAssassin
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We've gotten a large discrepancy on what DBZ characters are only "kinda strong"
newtypepilot
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The fact that they have to downclock it this much means the battery life will suck.
But Nintendo hasn't made any steps to make people expect that.
Also, I'm really curious as what the battery life is when undocked. Personally, I'd be fine with 2-3 hours.
It's the Piccolo of console games, seemingly gaining power ups but never enough to defeat the big bad.
SensibleSucker
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I think if Nintendo get a price that takes this strategy into account, they could do OK, as it;s the only way they will.
I've got both an Xbone/PS4 which do for most of my gaming but would not mind an affordable alternative e.g. Portable with a bit of power in it with good looking 1st party games.
That means £149 or, at a pinch £199 with a game.
Nintendo have clearly given up on trying to get to be people's primary gaming machine but if they play their cards right and have a better exclusive line-up, they can scoop up a space as a secondary with great games and portability.
Give War A Chance
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Are people here new to Nintendo?
When people kept comparing to NVidia Shield TV and saying it would be more powerful I was thinking why do this. NVidia Shield TV is not a handheld. Nintendo need to consider the thermal constraints, size and durability, and battery life. It's GAFs own fault for running wild with their expectations. I even said none of the games shown in the trailer were current gen yet once again GAF got carried away and ignored this.
KillerMan91
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It always stroke me as and impossibility that suddenly Nintendo is able to offer near Xbox One level of power in handheld form and with similar or less costs when even Sony wasn't able to do this with PSP and Vita and they are actually known for selling high end hw with loss. With these specs it sounds like that Switch is like PSP was compared to PS2 and Vita was compared to PS3 so a lot more probable and in line what Sony managed to offer.
Colbert
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My 2 cents: For a mobile device battery life is the most important thing so I totally understand the design decisions to go with a very low clock. And tbh for that tiny screen on the go you don't need to have more performance at hand if we look on how Nintendo games look like from a gfx perspective.
Yes at a lower res, with worse details etc...
Tertullian
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NeoGAF was expecting Vegeta; they got Farmer w/ Shotgun
Risk Breaker
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Adding the Vita, with a 5" screen (960 × 544 resolution / 220 ppi), GPU around 50 GFlops @ 400 MHz, 28 @ 200.
So the Switch has 1.77 more pixels to feed, with just 3-5 times more GPU power than the FIVE YEAR OLD Vita.
SolidSnakex
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It can run UE4, so it can run a version of it.
The Omega Man
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Next raspberry pi will probably outclass it
Nah, it can still use the same engine. It's still better suited for modern engines than last-gen ones. Physics will be an issue though.
Those tegra X1~ specs have been out forever, we never got clocktimes though. Now we do. What makes you think they backtracked on anything?
The Nintendo faithful just had unreasonable expectations. The machine is a handheld first and foremost, a standalone console pushed way, way into second place.
The low GPU clock speed in handheld mode is a given. It's the clock speed when docked that is disappointing.RIP Tegra X1 as the minimum speculated baseline.
Still not as bad as WUST I guess
Xdrive05
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Exactly as I had predicted. They gimped the clocks in order to get battery life in portable. Still doesn't explain why they also gimped it docked. I guess they're just that concerned about heat issues.
Should have gone 16nm, or otherwise should have just accepted shitty battery life today in order to have a solid baseline performance to build future more power efficient revisions.
All of that said, it will still be very capable considering it's a fixed hardware platform and uses a totally modern feature set. You will see impressive stuff done on this thing, and in your hands even.
Hopefully this means they can very aggressively price it and get the install base up quickly. Still totally excited.
Should have gone 16nm, or otherwise should have just accepted shitty battery life today in order to have a solid baseline performance to build future more power efficient revisions.
All of that said, it will still be very capable considering it's a fixed hardware platform and uses a totally modern feature set. You will see impressive stuff done on this thing, and in your hands even.
Hopefully this means they can very aggressively price it and get the install base up quickly. Still totally excited.
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