This confirm 2 things: it's a 720p->1080p console (exactly 2.25x jump in gpu clock and higher memory clocks), and it's weaker than a stock X1, which make little sense to me. Why use fans then? Pixel C at 820 Mhz never needed a fan to cool. This has a fan in the handheld AND the dock? Seriously? Lol.
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Digital Foundry: Nintendo Switch CPU and GPU clock speeds revealed
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Yes, we are a disappointed informed consumer base. You make it seem like our awareness of what is possible, and trying to hold manufacturers to a higher standard is a bad thing. Many people who are disappointed (like me) will still be there for the Nintendo games. But There's no reason why they needed to down clock the GPU so aggressively, unless it was to just include a far shittier battery.
We have every right to be upset with these cheap penny saving measures by Nintendo which limit the potential of their own GPU.
Pancakes R Us
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Yeah, a fast price cut like 3DS if they're thinking of launching at $300. May as well plan for those ambassador titles now.
Wind Waker and Twilight Princess. Not impressive considering they are gamecube ports and still had massive framerate issues at 30FPS anyway.
maquiladora
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Worse than I imagined.....
Skittzo0413
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There is still no confirmation on CUDA core count right? Why would a fan be necessary at the clock speeds in the article if it's still 2 SMs? Even at those docked speeds it should be fine to cool passively like the Pixel C.
Unless they decided to get rid of the fan now?
Clock speeds have very little impact on price.
DragonSworne
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This is a console. Lol at making battery life a priority and having it weaken even when docked.
Bundled with Splatoon, yeah.
After the hoo-hah about what 'Scorpio first' games would look like an on OG XB1, what the fuck are third party ports going to look like on Switch?
I await my ten free GCN games.
Third parties were very clear to Nintendo: Make powerful console or become a third party company just like us.
you think the Vita GPU runs at 400MHz? Lol
Prithee Be Careful
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I remember at the initial reveal a lot of positive sentiment about finally having a Nintendo console with 'no gimmicks and no compromises' and thinking: it's a home/handhold hybrid, it's more integral than the the usual gimmicks, but there's no way it can be acheived without compromises.
And here we have it...
And here we have it...
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Disappointing. I figure it would at least take full advantage of the tetra X11 and match or exceed Shield performance. Also sounds like portable mode will be rough in many games, though that's moot for me as I'll rarely play in portable mode anyway.
I can probably live with it if it's $200 or less for a non-gimped storage amount model.
I can probably live with it if it's $200 or less for a non-gimped storage amount model.
And a onboard flash memory storage upgrade apparently.
Risk Breaker
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Yes, I saw the base frequency is speculated to be 200 MHz. Edited the number.
Still crazy considering this is a much larger device, 5 years later, for a higher price, and "made" by nVidia.
Curious, why would you trust those "insiders" more than Eurogamer/DF exactly?
Empyrean Heaven
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Nintendo are the masters of taking shit and turning into gold, so I'm not worried about game performance from them. I AM concerned, as typical with a Nintendo console, with third-parties. I fear that once again they are going to be left with an under-powered system that is difficult to develop for due to its well-defined differences (portable mode, cartridges, and low power) and little-to-no assistance from Nintendo on how to make the most of it.
Kssio_Aug
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So Switch is a good bet. Cause a handheld with decent battery life and a coherent price would hardly happen with PS4 specs in it. I'd say that a portable Wii U is pretty damn decent for portable gaming.
What would you say the chances of it having 3 SMs (384 CUDA cores) are? Based on my calculations, that's way more in-line with the rumors we've heard about performance up until now (especially since those portable specs can easily run passively if it's only 2 SMs). I'm expecting to be disappointed, though.
Bamboo 竹
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Damn it.
Zombie James
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Wow, this is horrible. I'm glad being docked is going to offer more performance than when it's in portable mode - which satisfies the "hybrid" part of the system for me - but these clock speeds are super low. Twenty-five percent slower than the Shield TV, a box released in May 2015?
Come on...
The portable speed I can understand because of battery life, but that also means that's the baseline spec for developers. I can't imagine this being the system to get for third-party games if people are expecting console-class games on the system, like Skyrim.
This doesn't sound good to me at all.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
All those people targeting generic UE4 standards better start downgrading. "Hope to run at this fidelity on Switch", nope.
If Nintendo released its games on Steam, consumers could pick better devices that suit their needs to play them on.
That's the problem really. What is the point in Nintendo hardware at all? 2.85 million downloaders just sent such a message this week.
If Nintendo released its games on Steam, consumers could pick better devices that suit their needs to play them on.
That's the problem really. What is the point in Nintendo hardware at all? 2.85 million downloaders just sent such a message this week.
peterclark1985
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I reiterate I didn't get carried away with the rumors and GAF hopes and dreams, what I am getting is a device that out performs Nintendo's previous console/handheld platforms at a similar price. If you want amazing graphics and guaranteed 3rd party support then get yourself a PS4 Pro, this was never going to be that as we all know Nintendo don't care for specs they care about good gaming experiences.
This thing really feels like Nintendo's Vita. A really powerful handheld that can approximate current gen consoles in a very compromised way - but compensates by offering a portable gaming experience. I feel like the same complaints leveraged against Vita - "No one wants to play AAA experiences on the go!" will come hammering down.
In other words, the Switch feels like a really AWESOME handheld or a really lackluster console.
In other words, the Switch feels like a really AWESOME handheld or a really lackluster console.
SolidSnakex
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Well, that's assuming that they get high end third party ports. I know when people were speculating about what EA's Switch game would be, shinobi repeatedly told people that it wouldn't be Andromeda.
It's probably not really nerfed down, so to speak. The specs probably fits what they could have pushed in a mobile profile with a specific battery autonomy as a target.
To you and all the other people who write this fake fact:
Almost nobody expected PS4/XB1 power levels in Switch.
There is a wide range of possibilities between Wii U and Xbone. Most people expected Switch to match the Nvidia Shield TV while docked. Which it doesn't. By a lot. That's why the disappointment.
So cut out the reductionist posts.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Nintendo could make the most powerful console and third parties still wouldn't support it. That ship has sailed.
FalsettoVibe
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Nintendo gonna Nintendo. Great successor to 3DS but weak next gen console.
Rogue Agent
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Thanks for all the knowledgeable answers.
I hope the upgrade system for future revisions is good.
I hope the upgrade system for future revisions is good.
Caipirinha
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Exactly this, and what little third party support will remain will presumably be primarily the continuation of the 3DS scene.
The Switch is Nintendo's new handheld, one with a special a video out mode. That's it.
Not only were expectations too for the hardware but people are expecting the software provided for this thing to be home console oriented - aside from a few big first party titles designed to showcase the "home gaming on the go" marketing spiel, it'll be handheld oriented.
How many times do people need to be disappointed before they learn? Nintendo is not a mysterious or unpredictable company, it's just that it's biggest fans refuse to read the writing on the wall.
I'm sure the Switch will have plenty of good games but ultimately this is Nintend leaving the home console business, a business in which we were given everything from the original Super Mario Bros to Ocarina of Time to Smash to Metroid.. so no I'm not happy to see it go, not when in a parallel universe I'm playing the latest Retro first person adventure in high res glory on my PS4 Pro and in this one I'm stuck playing Wii U ports on a piece of plastic with detatchable controls the size of my thumbs that I'll never use.
outunderthestars
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Best part is still to come when 80% of the people freaking out in this thread will be posting in the "I got my Switch preorder" thread next month.
Entirely their fault, and they know it by now. They don't care about third parties. And maybe they don't have to now, with handheld and console divisons working on the same hardware.
Baleoce
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Exactly. It's not like their own personal quality control is going to suddenly take a nosedive. Some people are saying that it may not be the same story for third parties, but the system is presumably a lot easier to port to now than previous hardware. It just depends how willing they are to optimise for those two configurations.
2006:
2011:
2016:
When are people going to learn.
2011:
2016:
When are people going to learn.
1/3 of Xbone
LukasTaves
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Why so low? We have mobile parts shooting past this performance target for a while now, at this point I wonder if it will perform better than even the last atom chips
I'm not really expecting it, just overreacting XD
I remember people were flaming me on the reveal thread for being overly negative, trolling and too pessimistic.
I hope these people eat their damn words now, with their fantasy-like expectations on the side.
I think a lot of people are confusing X1 with Xbox One for some reason along with confusion caused by the report from emily rogers that mentions the xbox one.
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