HIGH DEF JEFF
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If this thing isn't better than the PRO than I am just going to buy a UHD player now or trade my XBONE in for a slim.
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[Digital Foundry] New Scorpio Spec Leak: ESRAM Gone, GPU Features Revealed
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Dictator93
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ESRAM is/was used for the GPU on xb1 for the most part, correct? Where latency is not much of a big deal anyway due to GPU "latency hiding"?
Yeah, that doesn't mean fans weren't running wild with crazy hopes and dreams though.
LordOcidax
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Agree.
Maximilian Kolbe
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To be fair both fans and haters were hoping it's next-gen for different version lol.
TheOfficeMut
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Did Microsoft say that the Scorpio is the mark of a new generation or an extension of the Xbox One a la PS4 Pro? Because if it's the former and the CPU is not Zen-based, I imagine this appears worse as a successor to the Xbox One, especially if Scorpio is very similar to PS4 Pro.
In any instance, it looks like it paid off for Sony to release the Pro a year earlier.
In any instance, it looks like it paid off for Sony to release the Pro a year earlier.
ethomaz
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That is not the case....
Bungie for example in Destiny (and old Halos) runs graphics at 30fps but the gameplay at 60fps (16ms response)... that is why even at 30fps the gameplay is so smooth... others devs do that too.
Now to reach 60fps graphics with weak CPU MS will give the choice to code the gameplay in 30fps.
That has nothing to do with FP16/FP32.
You will have the gameplay of a 30fps game (response time) showing on screen at 60fps.
get2sammyb
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So it's a PS4 Pro that's marginally better but is launching a year later. I mean, that's what I always expected anyway...
Interfectum
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It's an Xbox that plays Xbox games on 4K tvs. That's all they've ever said it is.
Team Filler
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Microsoft has got the power of the cloud, it's okay if Scorpio only has parity with PS4 Pro.
dealer-
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Yeah can't see this really moving the needle for MS in terms of mind or market share. It's a welcome addition though.
Maximilian Kolbe
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Latter.
Sho_Nuff82
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The relative difference in raw flops is basically the same as the One vs PS4...and we've known that since last summer. Why do people do this to themselves?
It will run most Pro modes that already being prepared, and might run a few more first party games at native 4k (for marketing reasons).
If this Christmas has taught us anything, it's that Scorpio is aimed at hardcore fans. The Xbox One S is a perfectly capable media player and will be absurdly discounted and bundled this winter, it may even hit $199. MS and Sony created the Pro and S to address the 10-20% of consumers who are early adopters so those same people didn't invest in other media boxes to get their 4k fix.
Perhaps he is talking about the CPU.
Anyway, nothing particularly surprising there. Anyone expecting a new CPU architecture or true 4k(consistently) were setting themselves up for disapointment.
Chill Penguin
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As a big critic of the PS4 pro for it's modest upgrade and weak CPU, if these rumors are true then the Scorpio will be a pass for me. Native 4k and a revamped CPU or it's pointless. I'd rather wait for the PS5.
Andodalf
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I love how having as big a gap from Pro as Pro has from ps4 is parity.
Cyborg
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If true then yes!
That was my impression as well.
Agreed.
If this thing launches at $399.99 this holiday, then Sony can just say PS4 Pro now $299.99.
Caayn
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You're right. I ignored that GPUs are more forgiving when it comes to latency than CPUs.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Wasn't there whole thing a few months back that everything will be native and not upscaled ?
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vpance
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It made good PR for a while.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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All of this seems very interesting but since that was July...couldn't most of that be altered since then? What makes any of that true anymore after 6 months?
Gumbie
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It's a developer paper that's posted on Microsoft's site.
Maximilian Kolbe
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There will be native 4k games just like Pro, but Phil already said devs can do whatever they want for the power.
Ricky Ricardo
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hanspampel
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Beside "no more ESRAM" (was pretty much a given) and "four times the L2 Cache"
there is not really anthing new about hardware specs
just rendering techniques talk and stuff like that
there is not really anthing new about hardware specs
just rendering techniques talk and stuff like that
DenogginizerOS
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What does this leaked report mean for a 1080P OLED-owning Xbox One/PS4 gamer that did not jump to PS4 Pro? I have more online friends on Xbox so I have been buying games like Dishonored 2 and Mass Effect Andromeda for Xbox One anticipating Scorpio would be a nice upgrade over my Xbox One on my 1080P OLED.
WhiskerFrisker
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I'm just waiting for the people in the speculation thread to show up. This is all very interesting to say the least.
Interfectum
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Even if they bumped the specs, it doesn't change what Scorpio is. A 4K Xbox. People thinking this is a brand new gen are going to be massively disappointed.
Dark Cloud
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Hmm. I see. I don't understand this stuff so I've been listening to people and I thought it was going to be like way more powerful.
Dee Dah Dave
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If they could develop a good toolset for interpolating CPU tasks that could be great. Even the feel of 60fps would be much better than regular old 30fps.
It's always interesting reading about the tricks that can be used to leverage more performance. Lot's of them on the GPU side as we have already seen and it would be nice if that ideology could be implemented on the CPU side too!
Not holding my breath though!
It's always interesting reading about the tricks that can be used to leverage more performance. Lot's of them on the GPU side as we have already seen and it would be nice if that ideology could be implemented on the CPU side too!
Not holding my breath though!
Always-honest
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If they can patch some exclusives i might buy it. They fucked up so bad with the XboxOne that i never considered buying one.
I can't imagine many will be surprised or unhappy that ESRAM has gone, it was always felt a bit like it was papering over a hole.
Checker-boardng is fantastic when handled well and it's another thing that isn't really that much of a surprise with the rumoured specs. As mentioned in the video, there can be better ways to use your resources than producing a native 4K image.
I think that geometry scaling, or whatever it was that Microsoft called there version, is also a good thing as it's such a relatively cheap way of outputting a 4K image even if it's not going to offer the best on screen image for many games. It's a good option to have though.
Checker-boardng is fantastic when handled well and it's another thing that isn't really that much of a surprise with the rumoured specs. As mentioned in the video, there can be better ways to use your resources than producing a native 4K image.
I think that geometry scaling, or whatever it was that Microsoft called there version, is also a good thing as it's such a relatively cheap way of outputting a 4K image even if it's not going to offer the best on screen image for many games. It's a good option to have though.
Daffy Duck
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Where is CBOAT when you need him?
Glad to see the back of the ESRAM.
Seems like this is more of a PS4 Pro on steroids than the Nextbox.
Still it's a pretty mighty gulf in spec between the two systems and you cannot help but wonder how gimped and awful games will look on the Xbone.
Glad to see the back of the ESRAM.
Seems like this is more of a PS4 Pro on steroids than the Nextbox.
Still it's a pretty mighty gulf in spec between the two systems and you cannot help but wonder how gimped and awful games will look on the Xbone.
GrantDaNasty
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I mean, After the reveal of PS4Pro and talks of how they were doing checkerboard rendering and other tricks to get "4K" out of games (in quotes because not native, but close enough to fool the average consumer), MS specifically got out there and advertised Scorpio as being "True 4K" which doesn't leave much wiggle-room for someone to say "well, we didn't actually mean 2160p guys, I mean...c'mon!"
Sounds like Scorpio won't be more than $400, which might be for the best for MS, but for anyone hoping for a complete beast of a console, might be very disappointed to hear this.
Omnistalgic
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Remember how the Eurogamer article closes guys, this is dated to right after Scorpio revealed, still not official until MS does their official conference. Right now it seems like a Super Pro, but could receive a bump with a year of dev time and decisions.
Sho_Nuff82
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Yup. Crackdown, Forza, and Sea of Thieves will undoubtedly be shown running in 4k this E3. Maybe a Halo teaser or whatever other surprises they have.
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