Seriously. It is still going to be the most powerful system... handily.
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[Digital Foundry] New Scorpio Spec Leak: ESRAM Gone, GPU Features Revealed
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Seriously. It is still going to be the most powerful system... handily.
Ok Will wait and see how this turn out and what others have to say. Thanks
Nothing surprising for everyone who uses common sense in their estimates 
Well, it's ~45% faster GPU-wise.
Your post history is embarrassing.
EchoChamber
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I'm very disappointed 😞 but I guess I will wait for the next generation xbox.
demigod
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Looks like SenjutsuSage owes someone a game!
ambar_hitman
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Shocking really.
But then price will be like 399$. That's good.
But then price will be like 399$. That's good.
DonkeyKong
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A little bit underwhelming to be honest, they are making it sound pretty much like a Pro which is disappointing..
Interfectum
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Nothing surprising for everyone who uses common sense in their estimates
Well, it's ~45% faster GPU-wise.
Yeah. People who have 4K TVs and both a Pro and Scorpio will notice a difference.
Outrun
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The Scorpio is more powerful that the Pro.
What parity are you talking about?
Unless the X1 is equal to a PS4....
Neuromancer
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Eurogamer is solid, and even if they weren't, this is referencing a white paper that is available on their development portal which would be easily disproven if false.
ethomaz
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Forza.
Halo and others heavy titles will have possible dynamic resolution (1600-2160p).
What in this is even that surprising? It's still gonna be the most powerful console. You were never getting the next generation.
If true, then I was wrong about ESRAM removal being a sign of a new console gen for MS.
Seems like it. I guess winning on price beats going to a new SoC, even if they are coming a year late with a similar system to Sony with just a larger bump in the GPU.
Seems like it. I guess winning on price beats going to a new SoC, even if they are coming a year late with a similar system to Sony with just a larger bump in the GPU.
Holding the CPU at a relatively fixed setup will help enormously with guaranteed seamless software compatibility with existing XB1 titles. I know people have argued that XB1 development may have worked against a higher level CPU target environment than PS4, and thus make a CPU switch easier, but do we know for sure that was the case?
LordOcidax
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Yeap. And with almost all first party games on PC... welp.
Kenzodielocke
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Eh, expected.
I can't watch the video right now. Can someone explain how much faster the CPU is? I think that is the key for 60fps in these games. even the ps4 pro gpu at 4.2tflops is pretty good so 6tf gpu seems great to me, it's the cpu I need to know more about. Is it just an overclock like ps4 pro or a new one that is much faster?
Thebeardofknowledge
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Doctor Seuss post if you're okay
vpance
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Could be. Or they are telling devs to basically make 2 versions. One with ESRAM support and one without.
DangerMouse
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Yep.
Astral Dog
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What?
Broadbandito
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I expected either a pro type upgrade or the scorpio to be a windows 10 "steambox" like device that can run the pc versions of their titles.
killatopak
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This just means it's cheaper than anticipated right?
Chill Penguin
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It'll definitely be better than the pro,just not by as much as people were hoping. It'll be a PS4/XB1 margin of difference.
Dark Cloud
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Yes
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I'm kinda in this camp.
Feels like the GPU will be quite a bit better than the PRO, but that won't ultimately matter due to shitty CPU bottleneck.
Not for believers.
Chill Penguin
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I can't imagine it being more than $399. I would've been willing to pay $499 for a real leap over ps4 pro.
It'll be $400 out of the gate. Not a bad entry point, but it'll get beat by Sony come Christmas if they discount the Pro by even $50.
That doesn't help existing XB1 games. They have to work on Scorpio as is. I assume the abstraction is such that they can simulate things in the absence of ESRAM without significant performance issues. But it's a fairly big change in memory architecture, it'll be interesting to see if any XB1 games used ESRAM in a way that makes performance a little different or if the change is indeed completely hidden.
Many expected a CPU upgrade to be more commensurate with the GPU upgrade, with easy framerate doublings as a result. I guess talk of checkerboard rendering is a bit of cold water too after all the 'native 4K' talk - but tbh that should be less suprising. We've known the system is not powerful enough for completely uncompromised native 4K in all cases.
Omnistalgic
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it will, but having a slightly better or same ballpark CPU levels the playing field quite a bit. As stated, some aren't even that eager to jump from 1080p to 4K, a CPU bump could make stuff like 4K/60fps on Scorpio vs. 4K *upscaled 30fps on PS4P.
But this isn't final yet...Right in the Phil Spencer thread some were stating with confidence this is a full blown next gen release for MS, it's just b/c with X1. To me, that implies both the CPU/GPU/Memory gets significant boosts, as Cerny actually described as his prerequisites for what a new generation should bring to the table.
Outrun
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I will give the Surface team the benefit of the doubt until E3.
I honestly don't understand why they are even making this with all their exclusives on PC.
This should not be an iterative console, this should just be the next-gen Xbox. 4 years is the same as original Xbox.
They should delay a year if that's what it takes to drop in a better CPU and keep costs down.
Doesn't really seem like they have a ton of MS Studios titles coming up anyway, so that would give them some time to build a launch library.
This should not be an iterative console, this should just be the next-gen Xbox. 4 years is the same as original Xbox.
They should delay a year if that's what it takes to drop in a better CPU and keep costs down.
Doesn't really seem like they have a ton of MS Studios titles coming up anyway, so that would give them some time to build a launch library.
HeisenbergWW62
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But gaf told me it was a new console generation
Because no super new and shiny CPU.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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Sure but bumping up the specs are kind of a big deal. Watering it down to a "me-too" device doesn't seem entirely fair.
I don't know if already noted but Eurogamer says this document dates just after E3 2016. There is a chance specs are improved compared to these ones.
Article describes Scorpio as a slightly better Ps4 Pro, with the advantage of less 1440p games and more 4k checkerboard rendered games.
Article describes Scorpio as a slightly better Ps4 Pro, with the advantage of less 1440p games and more 4k checkerboard rendered games.
Get this level-headed garbage outta here!
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