KratosEnergyDrink
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Why would anyone describe a checkerboard resolution as "basically 4k"? This is totally nonsense.
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Horizon Zero Dawn on the PS4 pro will render in 2160p checkerboard
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get2sammyb
Member
Okay fair enough, we get it. I actually would love to do a test on some posters that feel the need to really argue this point. I wonder how many would be able to pass it?
At the end of the day, they're not hiding anything -- they literally spell out what resolution the game's rendering at and we're all able to make conclusions from that.
Meh, whatever. Have at it.
BigEmil
Junior Member
Checkerboarding tech is more than that go look it up it's not just simply "half the pixels" and that's it.
The downplaying is real
Acidote
Member
Marketing. We all know here it is not 4k, and we all know here it is NOT basically 4k as they say in that text.
The game looks great anyways, 4k or not.
lyrick
Member
He basically got an A. He only scored 75/100 but that's basically the same as 90/100 right?!
HomerSimpson-Man
Member
Nice. Was thinking it would be like 1800c with how good it looks.
This is where I get confused, it doesn't have one.
I know!! Lmao
Jakartalado
Member
If you don't move the camera it uses correctly pixels from the last render giving you a 4k native image generated by an algorithm not by brute force
This new Decima engine seems to be the real deal.
Sony should make a Bloodborne sequel using this engine.
Dee Dah Dave
Member
"It looks good so it's 4K!".
No.
With all these new resolution techniques we now have I wish devs were a little more upfront and honest about it. Instead of trying to pass off 'upscaling' as the real deal.
'Basically 4K' is a big stretch, even though the end result will indeed look nice.
No.
With all these new resolution techniques we now have I wish devs were a little more upfront and honest about it. Instead of trying to pass off 'upscaling' as the real deal.
'Basically 4K' is a big stretch, even though the end result will indeed look nice.
ethomaz
Banned
Another guy said from Cerny interview 1920x2160... if true that means:
2160p checkerboard = 1920x2160p
1800p checkerboard = 1600x1800p
1600p checkerboard = 1440x1620p
Below these it get worst than native 1080p.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
One and done.
vpance
Member
Only when you can't tell the difference.
pretty done
Member
Let's hope so. I've been enjoying the Pro games that give me options at 1080p, like FFXV and Nioh.
michaelius
Banned
Other games were quick job of adding Pro support - this one has half a year more to optimize for Pro so it's probably using some more advanced features.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
Mexico is basically paying for the wall
Its not PR what are you even talking about.
LordOfChaos
Member
Checkerboarded from what base resolution?
Yeah, would have bought a Pro for that. Couldn't care less about 4K* and some better shadow maps. Just hope the OG version isn't botched as in frequent sub 30fps dips.
(Yeah yeah yeah I know they said it was 'impossible' since the game was 'optimized' for 30fps)
BlackBuzzard
Banned
So he is not supposed to post new info from the Playstation Blog? Okay buddy.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
This was expected no? Given how the game looks and everything going on.
Still waiting on that Pro bundle announcement.
Still waiting on that Pro bundle announcement.
The first quote is not even from the psblog
Kilau
Gold Member
Nobody reads the actual articles.
He was probably just checkerbored.
JudgmentJay
Member
My mom can't tell the difference between DVDs and blu-rays. DVDs basically blu-rays confirmed.
Article author's phrasing. Shows how much attention a lot of posters in this thread were paying, doesn't it?
Very informative post. My thanks.
You mean a preview of the game? Or did you actually bother reading the OP? ghst driveby shitpost in Playstation thread shocker! Get a new bit already.
Bits N Pieces
Member
That's a pretty cool way to explain what checkboard rendering is, thanks.
Whatever resolution the game is outputting at anyway, it looks absolutely gorgeous.
FarFromAnyGame
Banned
Pixel count is the same. It is rendering a full 3840×2160 framebuffer. Slightly less accurate than Native 4K but still it's basically 4K.
As you can see, both checkerboard and upscaling deviate from the "real" results of standard rendering. But despite the fact that they cost about the same in rendering time, it's clear checkerboarding gives much more accurate results. This may be more obvious in an animated comparison.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1330505
Jakartalado
Member
Yep. That is correct
Which still is an amazing achievement considering the amount of Detail the game provides.
The last videos from the previews looks amazing with awesome draw distances, amazing textures and top notch shadow quality.
Dynamic light also is present in the best way possible.
The algorithm from the checkerboard renders the other half of pixels from one render older creating an amazing quality when static, but when moving can create some very minor ghost image. But still looks amazing
It's "basically 4K" because checkerboard 4K is nearly indistinguishable from actual 4K in the final render to basically anyone that's not a NeoGAF-posting snob who wants to assassinate developers and marketers over incredibly inane technicalities and misconceptions over what checkerboard rendering actually is.
More people should read that thread.
More people should read that thread.
Some bizarre posts in this thread, especially over something we've known for 3 months..
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2016/11/01/how-ps4-pro-enhances-horizon-zero-dawn/
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2016/11/01/how-ps4-pro-enhances-horizon-zero-dawn/
LordOfChaos
Member
My mom always watches things somehow in the wrong aspect ratio, or not fullscreen, or not the full resolution it could have been, and when I fix it she says it was fine before.
What were we talking about, again?
BigEmil
Junior Member
There it is, new checkerboard tech is legit not giving it enough credit and instead downplaying much more than it actually is nowhere near the same as a traditional upscale
FarFromAnyGame
Banned
My mom always watches zoomed-in screens with the edges cropped out.
They don't cost the same in rendering time do they? I thought checkerboard was quite a tad more compute expensive?
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Can you even see the whole screen in your vision at that close of a seating?
Excited about this one. Had it preordered for a while. I'm sure it'll look great on the KS8000.
You have lost your touch.
if checkerboarding 4K creates an image that is almost as good as native 4K why haven't we seen this technique used in the past? is it a pretty newly-discovered method?
like in the ps360 era there were plenty of games that ran 720p (or even below that) instead of 1080p, could they have used the same technique to checkerboard 1080p and achieve a nearly as good 1080p effect?
like in the ps360 era there were plenty of games that ran 720p (or even below that) instead of 1080p, could they have used the same technique to checkerboard 1080p and achieve a nearly as good 1080p effect?
michaelius
Banned
Except it's nowhere near 2x quality difference when it ends on the screen which is why those techniques are used.
lightchris
Member
It's neither.
Imagine a real checkerboard. 8x8, 32 white squares, 32 black squares. Let the white squares be the ones that are actually shaded, then the black squares are being skipped. The resolution is neither 8x4 nor 4x8 nor something in between. You could say it is a full 8x8 (which corresponds to a full 4K framebuffer..), yet only with half the shading information.