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Kinda crazy that Switch didn't get any major AAA third parties for launch........

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ShadowFox08

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Jacobson said:
Say you are a 3rd party developer unsure about the success of the Switch. You want to release a game to test the waters. Why the fuck would you release it so close to Nintendo's most anticipated game? That's just setting yourself up to fail.
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As I said before, it's not going to be cannibalized by Zelda. The switch only has 7 retail games released. If there was a ton of games being released(like Wii U's 23), and they were good quality, then that would be a problem.. But one AAA 3rd party being released alongside a AAA 1st party game at launch would only help each other and the switch sell. It would give more people a reason to buy the switch and more games(like both games). Competition is at a minimal.
 
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_Clash_

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What would be the point with Zelda there?

It's a black hole, taking buzz from anything third party, even exclusives on other platforms
 
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MatrixMan.EXE

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Don't expect it going forward either. Token support like FIFA and Skyrim is likely as good as it's going to get. Reality has set in and the people who claimed that horsepower doesn't matter as much "because of optimisation, 720p and Unreal 4 support" are dwindling. Switch is still moderately weak compared to Xbox One and PS4. It can barely run Dragon Quest Heroes properly, you're not going to see high end Final Fantasy, Battlefield, Call of Duty etc. on this thing.
 
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prwxv3

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Dremark said:
It's not that thier launch libraries were bad, it's that 3rd parties have not done well on Nintendo consoles in a long time.
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The problem is that the audience that buys big third party games are not on Nintendo systems. In the wii days they had all the casual cash (just dance, carnival games etc.) that many third parties benefited from but that avenue is long gone and not coming back.
 
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wildfire

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Jacobson said:
Say you are a 3rd party developer unsure about the success of the Switch. You want to release a game to test the waters. Why the fuck would you release it so close to Nintendo's most anticipated game? That's just setting yourself up to fail.
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It's only 1 game. We had a 10+ page thread with shit posting about what do you buy on the Switch besides Zelda.

Not only was there shitposting the thread got embarrassing with a significant contingent hyping up Bomberman of all games.
 
Maximus.

Maximus.

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I was surprised at the lack of third party games coming out at launch or the near future. I thought Skyrim would at least be a launch title, but would've been directly competing against Zelda.
 
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michaelius

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All it takes is looking at 3DS/Vita lineups - western 3rd parties won't develop anything bigger for handheld machines unless they are paid by platform owner.

Which is really sad but they prefer AAA minefield.
 
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Nev

Banned
How can it have ports when it is competing with the PS360 in terms of hardware? Or do you want last gen ports from 2011 like Skyrim? Because that's the only third party ports this thing can get. That, or Shadow of Mordor PS3 kind of ports.

Nintendo are completely out of their mind.
 
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Nev

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wildfire said:
It's closer to the Xbox 1. The Wii U is already above the PS3.
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The Switch can't have a CoD/Battlefield or an AssCreed Unity/Syndicate/whatever port without severe downgrades. These games were a graphical and performance mess in PS4 for god's sake, imagine trying to run them in this console, let alone in portable mode.

Just not worth the hassle. It's like trying to put Borderlands 2 on the Vita. It was always going to be a disaster.
 
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Annoying Old Party Man

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That Skyrim, above all else, is not coming at launch, or even summer, but in Autumn, should ring a bell to everyone. And EA could have prepared a quick and dirty job for FIFA, 2K as well, but instead these are coming in 6 months time.

This thing was shown to most developers back at E3... it is the definition of a soft launch. Nintendo is banking on strong marketing, a very unique concept, and of course Zelda, to start building a user base. The situation is a little bit better with indies, since they're more flexible and porting is easier. This holiday will be the real stress test for the third party content.

Mind you, I don't think the Switch has enough horsepower to run most of the AAA blockbusters, but we might see some interesting stuff in a few months.
 
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Sad Affleck

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Publishers are hesitant to jump on the Switch train until they can determine whether the Switch is the new Wii, the new WiiU or something in between. Can anyone blame them?
 
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120v

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switch will do ok on 3rd party support. nothing stellar, but not abysmal as wii u

of course they aren't going to prioritize getting a big title out for this kind of launch. it would make no sense
 
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nelsonroyale

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Annoying Old Party Man said:
That Skyrim, above all else, is not coming at launch, or even summer, but in Autumn, should ring a bell to everyone. And EA could have prepared a quick and dirty job for FIFA, 2K as well, but instead these are coming in 6 months time.

This thing was shown to most developers back at E3... it is the definition of a soft launch. Nintendo is banking on strong marketing, a very unique concept, and of course Zelda, to start building a user base. The situation is a little bit better with indies, since they're more flexible and porting is easier. This holiday will be the real stress test for the third party content.

Mind you, I don't think the Switch has enough horsepower to run most of the AAA blockbusters, but we might see some interesting stuff in a few months.
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Yeah, Skyrim being a big deal is...If they charge full price for that...wow.
 
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Bluth54

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The biggest issue with third party games is nearly every third party game we've seen announced since the Switch launch event in January isn't coming to the Switch. Even some of the Japanese games aren't coming to Switch.
 
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aadiboy

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You'll get the odd port here or there, but for the most part western third parties will never return to Nintendo. The audience just doesn't care for those types of games. High end Japanese 3rd party games also won't be coming to Switch, so you can forget about FF7R or KH3 releasing there.
 
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SanSebastian

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It's funny how many people are making Zelda bigger than it is.
Zelda is my favorite series, but i am objective enough, that one game can't make up for a miserable line-up in the first year of a console.

This is why i'm holding back on the Switch. Yeah, it would be cool to have a new console, but what would i do with it once i finish Zelda?
Hell no, Bomberman is no game i would pay a penny for. This is not why i'm spending 400 Euro on a console.

You got Mario Odyssey in Q4 and that's probably about it.
And we all know how the output was on the Wii U. I'm very pessimistic that the Switch will have 10-15 solid "console"-games per year. And no, a Bomberman or somy indie-game that released on the other platforms 3 years ago, is not what i mean.
 
Majmun

Majmun

Member
Nintendo should've secured GTA5 at the very least.

The game is still very popular and the portability factor could be big for that game.
 
ArtHands

ArtHands

Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Nev said:
The Switch can't have a CoD/Battlefield or an AssCreed Unity/Syndicate/whatever port without severe downgrades. These games were a graphical and performance mess in PS4 for god's sake, imagine trying to run them in this console, let alone in portable mode.

Just not worth the hassle. It's like trying to put Borderlands 2 on the Vita. It was always going to be a disaster.
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Then its those games' fault not the systems then for running so badly
 
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SanSebastian

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ArtHands said:
Then its those games' fault not the systems then for running so badly
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What an ignorant statement.
You can't expect gaming companies to severely downgrade their games and put in a lot of work to bring them on an (again) underpowered Nintendo console.

In the end it's Nintendo and the Switch owners that suffer, but hey, we've heard enough times that Zelda and 3 indies a month are worth 400 Euro.
 
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MatrixMan.EXE

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PdotMichael said:
The correct answer would be the kind of people Nintendo is desperately chasing after for a long time now. Getting the full Unreal engine support was presented as a key feature of the Switch for a reason.
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Yeah it was, not sure why though. Doesn't mean anything if the hardware is weak though. I mean, iOS can support UE4 games, but you're not going to get the likes of Final Fantasy VII Remake running on an iPhone 7.
 
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Slaythe

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MatrixMan.EXE said:
Yeah it was, not sure why though. Doesn't mean anything if the hardware is weak though. I mean, iOS can support UE4 games, but you're not going to get the likes of Final Fantasy VII Remake running on an iPhone 7.
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It opens the possibility. It's easy to dial things back with that engine.

Not supporting it is literal death, on the other hand.
 
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MatrixMan.EXE

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Slaythe said:
It opens the possibility. It's easy to dial things back with that engine.

Not supporting it is literal death, on the other hand.
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For sure, although I think it set unrealistic expectations among some of Nintendo's fans, which is all on those fans rather than Nintendo.
 
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Ninja Dom

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MatrixMan.EXE said:
Yeah it was, not sure why though. Doesn't mean anything if the hardware is weak though. I mean, iOS can support UE4 games, but you're not going to get the likes of Final Fantasy VII Remake running on an iPhone 7.
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You never know with Square-Enix. They love their iOS ports.

And yes you probably will get a VII remake port. Just a few years down the line on the super powerful iOS devices of the 2020's.
 
Fox Mulder

Fox Mulder

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It's not strange, it's a Nintendo console. It's also launching in March, which is stupid if you want the best of AAA third party games.

EA supported the wiiu launch and the games were seen as overpriced and late B team ports.
 
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Pancakes R Us

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outunderthestars said:
I wonder if kits just didn't get out in time, or if there simply isn't any confidence in there being a viable market for AAA third party games...
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I think it's both. Lack of confidence but that's because there no longer being a viable market on Nintendo systems for the types of third party titles being referred to here. It's been too long. The Nintendo audience doesn't tend to buy those games, and those that do tend to buy them for other systems. It's not really an issue as long as Nintendo can effectively carve out their own market, which it has done for a while (though clearly the core Nintendo audience isn't enough given Wii U's failure). I'd rather Nintendo remain different than 3 systems on the market which are extremely similar.
 
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Fitts

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ZOONAMI said:
Wii U had the benefit of previous gen ports (when it launched it was the most powerful console on the market, but it was still extremely underpowered because PS4 and Xbox were imminent).

Switch is so weak from a hardware perspective vs PS4 and Xbox it isn't going to get any AAA ports.

Nintendo learned fucking nothing from the complete failure of Wii U.
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This is the correct answer. If publishers could've released some quick and dirty ports to get that easy console launch money they would have.
 
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keidashxd

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Switch has been a launch with zero proper AAA, Zelda is a WiiU port, if Nintendo hasn't been able itself to launch a proper game AAA game designed on Switch I don't think we should blame any other company (or even the partnerships with Nintendo), this console to have a proper launch catalog should have waited until holiday season, but with WiiU drowning...
 
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Waji

Member
I think that's a good thing.
The Wii U had a lot at launch and...

I'm sure the Switch can get a far brighter future.
 
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ronaldthump

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think they've burnt too many bridges (and 3rd party games don't sell on nintendo platforms) and I think the cartidge format = a return to inventory nightmare/manufacturing so people are staying away.
 
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panama chief

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Don't release your game next to Zelda.
Don't release your game next to Mario.

Makes sense to me. If you want, release next week. But don't shoot yourself in the foot trying to go against the house.
 
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18-Volt

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darkwing said:
who buys Nintendo hardware for the third party games
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If it isn't for Monster Hunter, Yokai Watch and Dragon Quest, 3DS wouldn't even pass 30m point.

The thing is Nintendo first party isn't what it used to be anymore. Once the Nintendo take the big guns like Mario and Zelda out it's all shovelware from them (Mario party, Mario Sports etc.) Long passed the days of Rare games, Golden Sun, Advance Wars, Sin&Punishment. If Nintendo wants Switch to be healthy they'd better get some serious 3rd party support. Because no one will buy a $300 device just for Mario Party 11 or Textile Donkey Kong. I'm not worried though, if Nintendo made Bayo 2 a reality, they can make more possible too.
 
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Cuningas de Häme

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One would think that there wasn't time to port the games coming out now... Or they are Sony exclusive...

I think we'll see 3rd party games after summer. I mean, other than late ports. NBA 2k18 is coming, FIFA18 (hopefully good) and more. Most likely we hear more from 3rd parties at E3.

Oh, and of course there is Japanese developers that will make games for Nintendo consoles.
 
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Shiggy

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CaviarMeths said:
3DS owners.
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Sales don't seem to show that. Westrrn third parties abandoned the system early on. Japanese third parties were often not willing to bring their games over (Bravely Default, Teddy Together, Dragon Quest) or making Nintendo pay for all marketing (Monster Hunter). Rather implies there weren't the sales third parties were hoping for.

I have 20 retail titles on 3DS. One of them was localised by Sega but it was Nintendo who had to bring it to retail here (as with Minecraft on Wii U).
 
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