It would be virtual boy style of dead.
Now it will be Wii u style dead no big difference
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Here are some issues I have with the Switch launch for us to politely discuss
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It would be virtual boy style of dead.
Now it will be Wii u style dead no big difference
BoboBrazil
Member
I feel like if you wanted a new Nintendo portable it's a great success due to it's power as a portable, but if you wanted a new console it's a failure in most ways. Seeing as I don't play games on the go, I returned mine to the store today. I also don't have faith in Nintendo to actually keep this as the one future output of their software once it fails. They are hedging their bets by not calling it a portable system when for most purposes it is.
We get it already. You hate Nintendo and you hate the switch. Every fucking thread you post in. Its the same shit
SinCityAssassin
Member
I would say don't just chuck your switch into a dock if it's not using a screen protector, but I always put mine in a bit gently.
Press ignore button if you take critizing a video game company to this heart.jesus christ
Yeah without any significant third party support its kinda doa. On the positive hopefully Nintendo will just make software after the switch bombs and waay more people will enjoy there games on sony/ms consoles.
All of the criticisms in the OP are enough for me to just wait until there's a price drop and then I'll think about getting one.
While the Joy-Con and screen scratching issues may only happen with a small number of units those are serious enough issues for me to not be in any rush to pick up a Switch. I simply don't want to deal with the possibility of those issues happening.
Over time I'm losing patience for the typical Nintendo problems that we've come to accept and generally hand wave away. I love and adore their games, but their hardware is getting more and more annoying to deal with. Friend codes were extremely annoying back in 2005 and Mario Kart DS, it's certainly not any more acceptable in 2017. So until the price drops to something more affordable then I'm happy to wait.
The concept of the Switch is certainly appealing and it is attempting to be that dream device that we've all wanted. The execution appears to be a compromised vision of the all-in-one device we've all wanted though. I just fear that it's a jack of all trades, master of none situation. The short battery life doesn't make it a great handheld. I think you could argue its actual physical size also makes it less ideal as a handheld gaming device. As a home console it's barely more powerful than a Wii U. The Joy-Cons don't seem like the best controllers, investing in the expensive Pro controller seems like a strong suggestion for people who plan to use the Switch mostly as a home console. The online infrastructure sounds like a complete mess and the fact that they're now asking for money (even if it's ~$30/year) is unbelievable considering what we know about it so far and their past efforts.
For me personally this is an underwhelming console and it's just not done enough to impress me. I don't see this getting anywhere close to Wii levels of success. Certainly seems like it should do better than the Wii U, but is that really saying much?
While the Joy-Con and screen scratching issues may only happen with a small number of units those are serious enough issues for me to not be in any rush to pick up a Switch. I simply don't want to deal with the possibility of those issues happening.
Over time I'm losing patience for the typical Nintendo problems that we've come to accept and generally hand wave away. I love and adore their games, but their hardware is getting more and more annoying to deal with. Friend codes were extremely annoying back in 2005 and Mario Kart DS, it's certainly not any more acceptable in 2017. So until the price drops to something more affordable then I'm happy to wait.
The concept of the Switch is certainly appealing and it is attempting to be that dream device that we've all wanted. The execution appears to be a compromised vision of the all-in-one device we've all wanted though. I just fear that it's a jack of all trades, master of none situation. The short battery life doesn't make it a great handheld. I think you could argue its actual physical size also makes it less ideal as a handheld gaming device. As a home console it's barely more powerful than a Wii U. The Joy-Cons don't seem like the best controllers, investing in the expensive Pro controller seems like a strong suggestion for people who plan to use the Switch mostly as a home console. The online infrastructure sounds like a complete mess and the fact that they're now asking for money (even if it's ~$30/year) is unbelievable considering what we know about it so far and their past efforts.
For me personally this is an underwhelming console and it's just not done enough to impress me. I don't see this getting anywhere close to Wii levels of success. Certainly seems like it should do better than the Wii U, but is that really saying much?
Squarehard
Member
Lion Heart
Banned
I puked reading the first page. I can pull up 50 negative PS4 related threads and they don't have the amount of defensiveness combined that this first page has alone.
This is my first Nintendo console since the NES and I was mislead on many aspects, but the lack of an online presence is shocking. You can see your friends online but that's it..no messaging at all. When's this bloody app coming out? It's embarrassing. Vitas online is better.
opticalmace
Member
You can't message friends at all? Didn't know that... crazy.
Mossybrew
Member
The fact that the Switch offers me absolutely nothing is not a surprise. The SNES and N64 were integral to my gaming life back in the day, I have a lot of great memories of Nintendo games. But since then Nintendo has steadily and doggedly become irrelevant to me. It's like they have been targeting some kind of fringe gamer that I no longer recognize. Graphical fidelity has always been important to me since the beginning, and combine that with a lack of nostalgia-driven tastes and zero interest in portable gaming - Nintendo is aiming at a market that misses me by a country mile.
Sword Of Doom
Member
There's no form of messaging whatsoever. Even friend requests don't have any message in them like "this is so and so from gaf"
blame space
Banned
this is the kind of objectivity i look for in my message board console criticism.
Muffin1611
Banned
Lol @ that first page. People aren't allowed to criticize well known shortcomings now?
The scratch issue (and the high prize) is the main point why I'm glad I didn't buy the console yet.
The scratch issue (and the high prize) is the main point why I'm glad I didn't buy the console yet.
BoboBrazil
Member
They also let you change your display name at any time so you have no idea who is in your friends list if people change names. Of course this is on top of friend code bullshit. Nintendo is still stuck 10 years behind everyone else. On top of releasing a console in 2017 with what seems to be roughly ps3 level graphics. There seems to be very little power increase in this over a Wii u.
Buggy Loop
Member
Wow, has anyone made a compilation of the OP's posts regarding the switch? Trolling is accepted now? The guy is butthurt about anything Nintendo.
IAmAnAgnostic
Member
Completely agreed but you will not get any good discussion yet. Try again in 4 years or when the next Nintendo console is announced, that is usually when the numerous flaws of their previous work are admitted.
People take this stuff really personally which I will never comprehend. Like for example I like the Playstation 4 but if you asked me to criticize parts of it, I would at length instead of saying "nuh uh, it is perfect!".
People take this stuff really personally which I will never comprehend. Like for example I like the Playstation 4 but if you asked me to criticize parts of it, I would at length instead of saying "nuh uh, it is perfect!".
Cyborg
Member
Im there to. Bought mine (cancelled the 2nd pre-order) but havnt opend it. Will return it today probably.
I thought to play Zelda in full glory bit with so mich problems and WiiU version looking good I will just return the Switch and play Zelda on my WiiU (cause why not)
Calm Mind
Member
Mostly year old ports and shovelware are what people want now from a console launch?
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Mr. Trump is it you?
Fahzgoolin
Banned
Yup I'm glad I waited and didn't preorder. All of these issues feel super disappointing and reveals to me that Nintendo is more obsessed with being different than being quality. I love their games, but I'm not willing to spend that kind of money on a system that does nothing well, just passable.
This is WiiU 2.0. It's a compromised console and a compromised portable. I will get one eventually, but not now.
I like my Switch so far, but I agree it has some issues. The games will roll in over time, and the same could happen for apps.
The real reason I posted was to ask why does everyone list it as a huge negative that the system doesn't have a web browser? Were people really that into it on the Wii-u? Wouldn't the browser on a phone be way more accessible? I'd guess that it being such a security issue on the 3ds was part of why they didn't include one.
I keep seeing this being touted as a negative and I just don't get it.
The real reason I posted was to ask why does everyone list it as a huge negative that the system doesn't have a web browser? Were people really that into it on the Wii-u? Wouldn't the browser on a phone be way more accessible? I'd guess that it being such a security issue on the 3ds was part of why they didn't include one.
I keep seeing this being touted as a negative and I just don't get it.
Dsyndrome
Member
FIFA and Madden somewhat. You can argue on whether they should matter, but Wii U had them.
This is true. I don't know what does it for some people but excitement is too high at the moment for some to have a decent discussion about the the problems and shortcomings of the Switch.
SinCityAssassin
Member
1. Playing zelda 3 hours straight in handheld mode is short, but I would argue that in a situation outside the home where 3 hour sessions aren't a natural occurrence, the sleep mode will allow it to survive inbetween breaks.
2. The handheld itself is actually barely larger than a mini tablet with the joycons detatch, so if you feel you need to bring both with you, you can just fit them into something like a bag or jacket pocket.
3. Handheld mode is actually the state being barely more powerful than the Wii U, as a home console it's more further away from it.
4. This is more anecdotal, but disregarding the joycon desync situation, which was acknowledged as an inherent problem with low power bluetooth devices and will have a fix in the future, the joycons are actually pretty good controllers in of themselves and the ability to just be able to have your arms free from one place to play a game is invigorating.
5. I will concede with the online BECAUSE we still don't know much about it. Online play is serviceable, but without much more info on how the paid service will benefit that beyond "monthly rentals" and the phone app, but without a lot more info about this "will it be confirmed to include cloud saving, does the phone app sync to the Switch itself so you can hear both game audio and gamechat, any plans to provide more info on the monthly game rewards, etc) That's all on Nintendo, it's dumb that we still don't fully know.
Malcolm9
Member
I'd say so far the Switch has come across as disappointing, just saying some thing like "but I can play Zelda at the park" doesn't really change that.
Nintendo have cheaped out yet again. The concept of the Switch is great, the reality is something else. I'm definitely waiting on a revised version down the line, the issues highlighted in the OP really don't warrant me purchasing one right now, and being able to play Zelda on my Wii U takes away the one "must have" title for the Switch.
Nintendo just hasn't learnt from previous mistakes/shortcomings.
Nintendo have cheaped out yet again. The concept of the Switch is great, the reality is something else. I'm definitely waiting on a revised version down the line, the issues highlighted in the OP really don't warrant me purchasing one right now, and being able to play Zelda on my Wii U takes away the one "must have" title for the Switch.
Nintendo just hasn't learnt from previous mistakes/shortcomings.
Calm Mind
Member
I haven't even bought the thing and there is already at least a dozen games I want right at this moment. I only wish it had Smash 4 at launch so I could get rid of the Wii U.
opticalmace
Member
OP posts a pretty comprehensive summary of the console's shortcomings as of now, all of which seem fair IMHO.
You post a threadcrap, not addressing any points and instead just calling the OP butthurt.
Who's the troll again?
Heavy's Sandvich
Member
killatopak
Member
I wish Ninty would improve online cause people will be paying for that in the next few months.
Malcolm9
Member
The PS4 launched in 2013, the Switch should have features that are now seen as standard.
This is the biggest sticking point for me personally. Couldn't give a stuff about web browsers (although a Youtube app would be handy). Especially now that they're charging for it. They realllly need to hit it out of the park with the VC and infrastructure. This rubbish with the smartphone app needs to be ditched in a hurry as well
Jubenhimer
Member
Here's what I'm wondering. Why is it that there's no middle ground with Nintendo? Why is it that you either defend everything they do to death, or act like they're some evil abomination who slaughters puppies? Why is there very little balanced, fair criticism with this company?
The_Spaniard
Netmarble
I bought the Switch, and I think it has incredible potential, but for every check mark in the good box, there is an equal number in the incompetence box. This thing is seriously half baked. Luckily most complaints are software related and can easily be fixed via firmware updates.
Calm Mind
Member
Sora the Cat
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Flintty
Member
People just need to not pay for it. I won't be until it resembles something closer to Xbox Live. I'm not touching it in its launch states (specifically phone app requirement and only one month free per game).
Infinite_Daremo
Member
We've already reached the Wait for memes. The PS3 blackboard was a fun time
Buggy Loop
Member
We've seen the same shit spewing out of this guy's mouth for months now. Everyone answered the points, he never responds back. He's the definition of astroturfing.
I mean cmon, look at the thread title.
Herb Alpert
Banned
OMG
The hyperbole in this thread is frightening.
Why does Nintendo unleash such irrationnal behaviour?
No launch is perfect. Each console has its flaws. But come on. The narrative here on GAF is getting ridiculous.
The hyperbole in this thread is frightening.
Why does Nintendo unleash such irrationnal behaviour?
No launch is perfect. Each console has its flaws. But come on. The narrative here on GAF is getting ridiculous.
holygeesus
Banned
I must be misremembering, but I thought the social aspects of the PS4 were pretty much there from day one? The problem is, these simple things have been missing from the last two Nintendo systems and not been introduced at any stage so people have no confidence in them ever happening this time round.
This will be the first Nintendo console I don't buy since the NES. Not because of any of the recent controversies, more that I have no confidence in there being enough first party games that I'm interested in to justify the significant cost. I have Zelda on the Wii U and nothing else in the immediate future makes me want to go out and buy one.