Carlos Lima
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WSJ: Nintendo now to manufacture 16 million Switch consoles next FY, up from 8m
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TwilightPrincess
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Yes, it's a risk but will probably make production a little bit cheaper. And it tells us that Nintendo has confidence in the lineup and hardware. Can't wait for E3.
The Gorby Congressmanz
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On a non portable more fragile than 3ds/2ds tablet?
TwilightPrincess
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It's portable.
It's a much better concept than the Wii U; the Wii U's main gimmick was contradictory, needed explaining and just dire all around.
As for it being "another way to promote their console demand." You know doubling manufacturing would, near enough, double costs as well, right? Those extra 8m aren't coming from thin air. Part of the Wii U's failure was over-production, Nintendo likely wants to avoid that at all costs.
Jaded Alyx
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1. How is it a non-portable?
2. What does its supposed fragility have to do with anything?
The Gorby Congressmanz
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You think that tablet shares the same portability as the last few Nintendo, atari, Bandai, Sony, and snk portables over the years?
Parents are big buyers of consoles for kids, a lot of which play Pokemon, and you think fragility would have no impact? What country are you in?
Portable
Pokemaniac
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They've had those models since like 2011-2012. I don't think the fact they have them is indicative of any sort of plans regarding the Switch.
Poor GRIMES
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You trying to say parents wouldnt buy iPhones and iPads for their kids? Cuz you would be mistaken
Do you have any proof of its fragility?
The same country where parents give their kids expensive mobile phones.
TwilightPrincess
Member
Yes, nintendo has to pay a few billions for those 16 mio units. The must have reasons for doing so.
The Gorby Congressmanz
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Not as many as parents giving them the old phone or a cheap tablet to play with. The amount of parents buying ipads for under 17 is likely nowhere near as high as you are implying.
Also don't we have a whole 55 threads on the switch being fragile?
Gamer @ Heart
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Do you know how many kids have smart phones in this country? That are constantly using mommy and daddy's $500 tablets?
What country are you in?
Edit: handidown argument. Ofc
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Neff
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You think this is a good reason not to release a game from one of their most popular and profitable IPs on their primary new piece of hardware?
TwilightPrincess
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The eurogamer leak probably isn't bullshit.
It's non-portable in the same way that the earth is flat.
Provide proof. Mentioning "55 threads" about it on this forum says nothing and is not proof.
Reply with links to sources.
I know people that bought iPad minis for 7-8 year olds for Christmas and I'm sure there we actually had like 64 threads on how tough and and durable the switch is so that invalidates his point...
Zen_Arcade
Banned
No, but it's at least as portable at your average phone or tablet. Both of which I see kids playing with out in public.
The Gorby Congressmanz
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I didn't say that or even imply that in anyway.
The person I quoted Pokemon would basically carry the switch. Pokemon a game popular with kids, who are also price conscious and don't like replacing equipment they break.
By not being the traditional portability of consoles Pokemon has previously been on, as well as the console not being cheap, I do think Pokemon will sell well, but won't sell like it did before where it basically carries the system.
DecoReturns
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E3 should be exciting. I hope.
TwilightPrincess
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It isn't fragile. Only the plastic over the screen can get scratches, for that we have screen protectors for a few bucks.
And its not like many adults have pockets large enough to comfortably fit a 3DS (let alone an XL variant) in them. I've tried pocketing my New 3DS, you look and feel like a doofus. The idea that portability = pockitability is nonsense. Hell, the "kids version" of the 3DS, the 2DS, practically has to be carried around in a carry case.
He doesn't because it's probably reasonably tested. Nintendo might have created a nice looking product, but I doubt they completely dropped their history of product resilience.
Also, Kids get iPhones, iPads/tablets, etc all the time these days, and one bad drop will cause a massive spider crack on those machines. Doesn't stop them from being common portable devices.
The Gorby Congressmanz
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The switch is not comparable to the average phone size. Yes you see kids with tablets, but I highly doubt the majority of parents are spending ipad money on tablets, assuming they aren't just giving kids the if old one. I have no idea why people think kids parents in the u.s. are going to just buy a $300 tablet in droves for Pokemon.
The Gorby Congressmanz
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Ding Ding. That was my point. How many parents are buying them NEW $500 tablets? It's usually the hand me downs.
This
I would trust my Switch not to break from a drop onto asphalt more than I would my ipad
Thebeardofknowledge
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Switch might have a chance to sell more than Xbox
For the same reason they bought them every other similarly priced video game system for the past 30 years: their kids will want to play x game on y latest game system.
Do you have a source for this? This article for example cites 33% of parents would or have bought an iPad for their child.
Edit: also, iPhone was the most popular gift on 2016 Christmas wish lists per this article, so surely some of those are from the 18 and under 3DS demographic.
The Gorby Congressmanz
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33% "would or had" proves my point. Thanks. You didn't actually look at your link did you?
Most parents don't buy kids $500 tablets. As proven 33% so contains the "would", so it's technically less than 33% . It's unlikely the millions of kids playing Pokemon on the ds family are going to have parents that are fine buying a $30" tablet.
Gaiaknight
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my aunt bought her 2 year old daughter a ipad, all 9 of my cousins under the age of 12 all have new smart phones, tablets, and laptops its just how it is in this day and age.
The Gorby Congressmanz
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A guy just posted above with a link most parents don't do that, anecdotal evidence is meaningless.
It really doesn't the auoemce for pokemon is far smaller than 33 percent of all families. You also have to consider that the I Paf is 200 dollars more expensive, or that people who don't think a kod needs a tablet may also not have the same problem with a game system.
Not to mention that the main, and most plentiful audience for pokemon are young adults and people in their 20s amd early 30s now.
GAF for whatever reason seems to think the switch is overpriced to an extent that sales will be hindered, but that view really doesn't seem to be shared by the general public, who frankly doesn't give a toss whether somethimg is pascal or maxwell or whatever other enthusiast minutiae we argue anout.
The Gorby Congressmanz
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Well just have to see how Pokemon stars does to see the real results.
Astral Dog
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Its a portable and kids use rablets,yes.
Neff
Member
I'd counter this by pointing out that Pokémon has relied on neither portability nor children to carry it for a long, long time now. Not that Switch doesn't work as a portable because anyone who owns one will tell you that it absolutely does.
But on that point, Switch will obviously have other big purchase incentives besides Pokémon.
Nintendo did change their core strategy otherwise the Switch reveal trailer would not generate nearly 30m (ps4 is at 33m) views compared to the meager 11m from the Wii U one.
Their marketing game is a huge step up no one can deny that compare all Switch commercials to the Wii U ones and have a laugh. They are in line with the nice commercials from Xbox 1 and PS4 wich is good. And they show how the product works and how it can be used in neat ways.
Also the Mario trailer is nearing 20m and the 2 big Zelda ones are at 10m.
Anyway if they keep marketig like this and release the big IP's in the first and Second year they are set imo. They can do bundles + price cuts to increase the succes even more it will never be Wii levels but it will be good enough and way better than Wii U for sure.
They also can release a handheld only version in a few years wich is a instant game libary for that wich is also a smart thing to do to increase sales.
There is no denying that Nintendo changed their core strategy after the Wii U the 3DS stil was a moderate succes.
They also made a smart choice going mobile Mario Run, Fire Emblem and Pokemon(yes i know they only get a 1/3 cut from gamefreak/poke company but it still is millions of profit + they sell merchandise) Animal Crossing and a few others (3 mobile games a year was the plan) makes mobile a important platform for Nintendo and also makes them relevant/known.
Sorry for the long post just wanted to point out that Nintendo did change their strategy imagine if they did not? Sure the Switch presentation was not perfect but the commercials are more important and they can fix that at e3 by announcing some cool games + a treehouse section. And no it will not sell Wii/Ps4 numbers that's something i agree with my own prediction is 40-60m more with a handheld only sku added (50-75 then) ps4 will hit 100m+ and xbone dunno honestly depends on how Scorpio is recieved still less than ps4 tho.
One last thing it was a smart choice to have younger devs and people at Nintendo finally having a say wich probably helped alot. And is why Zelda and Mario Odyssey look like a revolution for both franchises (and why Splatoon a new IP just worked). Also Koizumi is a boss that man is gonna be one of the next faces of Nintendo for sure.
Cheers
(btw i still have some issues with Nintendo like the handling of online, the smartphone app and more but i'm glad the Wii U situation waked them up)
Again sorry for the long post and no i am not a Nintendo fanboy (more a fanboy of gaming lol) i like all gaming platforms altho sure Zelda is my favorite game franchise, Mario, Kingdom Hearts, MGS, GTA, Red Dead and more are a close second (would be a huge list so i mention a few).
Their marketing game is a huge step up no one can deny that compare all Switch commercials to the Wii U ones and have a laugh. They are in line with the nice commercials from Xbox 1 and PS4 wich is good. And they show how the product works and how it can be used in neat ways.
Also the Mario trailer is nearing 20m and the 2 big Zelda ones are at 10m.
Anyway if they keep marketig like this and release the big IP's in the first and Second year they are set imo. They can do bundles + price cuts to increase the succes even more it will never be Wii levels but it will be good enough and way better than Wii U for sure.
They also can release a handheld only version in a few years wich is a instant game libary for that wich is also a smart thing to do to increase sales.
There is no denying that Nintendo changed their core strategy after the Wii U the 3DS stil was a moderate succes.
They also made a smart choice going mobile Mario Run, Fire Emblem and Pokemon(yes i know they only get a 1/3 cut from gamefreak/poke company but it still is millions of profit + they sell merchandise) Animal Crossing and a few others (3 mobile games a year was the plan) makes mobile a important platform for Nintendo and also makes them relevant/known.
Sorry for the long post just wanted to point out that Nintendo did change their strategy imagine if they did not? Sure the Switch presentation was not perfect but the commercials are more important and they can fix that at e3 by announcing some cool games + a treehouse section. And no it will not sell Wii/Ps4 numbers that's something i agree with my own prediction is 40-60m more with a handheld only sku added (50-75 then) ps4 will hit 100m+ and xbone dunno honestly depends on how Scorpio is recieved still less than ps4 tho.
One last thing it was a smart choice to have younger devs and people at Nintendo finally having a say wich probably helped alot. And is why Zelda and Mario Odyssey look like a revolution for both franchises (and why Splatoon a new IP just worked). Also Koizumi is a boss that man is gonna be one of the next faces of Nintendo for sure.
Cheers
(btw i still have some issues with Nintendo like the handling of online, the smartphone app and more but i'm glad the Wii U situation waked them up)Again sorry for the long post and no i am not a Nintendo fanboy (more a fanboy of gaming lol) i like all gaming platforms altho sure Zelda is my favorite game franchise, Mario, Kingdom Hearts, MGS, GTA, Red Dead and more are a close second (would be a huge list so i mention a few).
I don't understand what you mean. Yes, I did look at my link. The N3DS is $200. $300 is not that much more than $200. $300 is still cheaper than an iPad, which I believe starts at $400. Parents buy their children $300-$400 games systems routinely in the US.
Also, I edited this into my original post:
I don't understand how my original link, or this link, disprove that parents buy video game systems that feature popular games, for their children. I don't understand why the Switch would be an exception to this. Let's say of the 33%, only 1/3 of those actually buy the iPad for their child. As another poster mentioned that is still far more people than bought a 3DS in the US. Of the 22% of people let's say that wanted to but can't afford to, the Switch is a cheaper option. You originally said most children are playing with parent hand-me-downs. I asked if you have a source for this. If not, there is not a factual basis to make this statement. At the least, my links indicate a trajectory in the direction of parents buying tablets for children, not to mention that there are many cheaper tablets for children on the market.
My link indicates most parents don't do that. I agree. But, of the parents who wish to do so, combined with those who have done so, they still comprise much more of the population than 3DS owners. I also agree anecdotal evidence is essentially meaningless. That is all the more reason to provide a source for your claim that parents are primarily giving iPads as hand-me-downs.
D.Lo
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I honestly think they have plans for a cheaper, more robust model, probably smaller without detachable joycons or dock, for kids for the release of the next major Pokemon version. The Switch version of the 2DS.
MicroSwitch?
They don't have to have that for two more years. For this year or next Pokemon on Switch will just be a sweet to tempt the first batch of 3DS players over.
May I ask what is your motivation to attack every single point that makes the Switch look like it may be successful?
MicroSwitch?
They don't have to have that for two more years. For this year or next Pokemon on Switch will just be a sweet to tempt the first batch of 3DS players over.
Yep, only 33% of Parents according to that article. Oh wait, there's ~100 million school age children in the United States alone, I guess only 30 million of them have iPads, basically none.
May I ask what is your motivation to attack every single point that makes the Switch look like it may be successful?
DecoReturns
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Can't wait to see how it performs.Nintendo did change their core strategy otherwise the Switch reveal trailer would not generate nearly 30m (ps4 is at 33m) views compared to the meager 11m from the Wii U one.
Their marketing game is a huge step up no one can deny that compare all Switch commercials to the Wii U ones and have a laugh. They are in line with the nice commercials from Xbox 1 and PS4 wich is good. And they show how the product works and how it can be used in neat ways.
Also the Mario trailer is nearing 20m and the 2 big Zelda ones are at 10m.
Anyway if they keep marketig like this and release the big IP's in the first and Second year they are set imo. They can do bundles + price cuts to increase the succes even more it will never be Wii levels but it will be good enough and way better than Wii U for sure.
They also can release a handheld only version in a few years wich is a instant game libary for that wich is also a smart thing to do to increase sales.
There is no denying that Nintendo changed their core strategy after the Wii U the 3DS stil was a moderate succes.
They also made a smart choice going mobile Mario Run, Fire Emblem and Pokemon(yes i know they only get a 1/3 cut from gamefreak/poke company but it still is millions of profit + they sell merchandise) Animal Crossing and a few others (3 mobile games a year was the plan) makes mobile a important platform for Nintendo and also makes them relevant/known.
Sorry for the long post just wanted to point out that Nintendo did change their strategy imagine if they did not? Sure the Switch presentation was not perfect but the commercials are more important and they can fix that at e3 by announcing some cool games + a treehouse section. And no it will not sell Wii/Ps4 numbers that's something i agree with my own prediction is 40-60m more with a handheld only sku added (50-75 then) ps4 will hit 100m+ and xbone dunno honestly depends on how Scorpio is recieved still less than ps4 tho.
One last thing it was a smart choice to have younger devs and people at Nintendo finally having a say wich probably helped alot. And is why Zelda and Mario Odyssey look like a revolution for both franchises (and why Splatoon a new IP just worked). Also Koizumi is a boss that man is gonna be one of the next faces of Nintendo for sure.
Cheers
Again sorry for the long post and no i am not a Nintendo fanboy (more a fanboy of gaming lol) i like all gaming platforms altho sure Zelda is my favorite game franchise, Mario, Kingdom Hearts, MGS, GTA, Red Dead and more are a close second (would be a huge list so i mention a few).
My most anticipated game of 2017
The Gorby Congressmanz
Banned
IPhone could include the iPhone SE, and in the u.s. a lot of those are on payment plans.
More consoles are sold during the holidays than other times of the year.
$299 for switch is not the same as $299 for a game machine of xbo/ps4 caliber which is usually the selling price point. The switch is a successor to the Wii u and 3ds and is much weaker. You think switch is somehow going to be the better proposition at the same price?
Anyway w
I give it around may before we see how the switch is really doing.
Mobile phones are super fragile and heck even some last models had some batteries issues that could explode. Yet they cost 300+ euros for the last models... Yet, it don't stop some mobiles games to make millions.
First, wanted to mention I added this to my previous post, in case you missed it:
Second, good point about payment plans and discounted phones, I did not think of that.
Third, how can you say you give it around May before we see how the Switch is really doing, after just saying we'll have to see how Pokemon Stars does to tell the real results? Those two statements seem at odds to me.
I also wanted to respond to this more specifically:
When you say PS/X caliber, do you mean the power? The Wii was $250, which an inflation calculator tells us is identical to $300 of spending power in today's market. Therefore, it is for all intents and purposes the same price that a Wii was at launch. The Switch is weaker than PS/X. But, my point in bringing up the Wii is that power has not always connoted sale price nor how well it sells. The PSX and PS2 won their gens with a less powerful system. GB/C handily roused Game Gear by the same token. The weaker SNES beat Genesis. So, power will not be reflective in terms of how well it sells, and the price itself is comparable in worth to the very popular and under-powered Wii. So, I do think Switch may be just as viable a proposition at the same price.
The Gorby Congressmanz
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The psx and ps2 were stronger than the Saturn, dreamcast, 3do, and jaguar, and in some areas stronger than the n64.
The switch is $300 than machines out its class and is barely more powerful than the Wii u and not THAT far off from the Vita, though it is obviously stronger.
Don't forget Nintendo for most of this time has been promoting the switch as a console, not a portable.
KratosEnergyDrink
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Why people even answer to the "fragile" guy? Nonetheless the post are hilarious
Of course parents will buy their kids the hot new thing with Pokémon if the kids want that badly. PS4/XOne or not even on their mind when making that decision. By the way, many older guys play Pokémon too 😀
Of course parents will buy their kids the hot new thing with Pokémon if the kids want that badly. PS4/XOne or not even on their mind when making that decision. By the way, many older guys play Pokémon too 😀
The main competitor of the PSX and PS2 were not the Saturn, DC, 3DO or Jaguar, though, and in the simplest way in which power was understood at the time, by the layperson, N64 was considered stronger.
The Switch from what I understand is actually very powerful for a handheld and given the tech included in the Joy-Cons. I was also under the impression it was significantly more powerful than Wii U. It is only barely more powerful?
While they have promoted it as a console, they have promoted it specifically as a console on the go, in all ads, which essentially makes it promoting it as a portable console. In that sense, they are promoting it as both a console and a portable.