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[StrongBlackVine]

Attach rate is an important metric that shows the significance of the exclusive games for someone making a buying decision on the platform. With Sony exclusives not having a large attach rate and looking at the third party sales on the platform you can come to the conclusion that people prefer to play third party games more than first party games.

Killzone sold 2.1 and Infamous 2.8, compared with the install base its less than 5% of PS4 owners that played these games, even today in their heavily discounted prices people don't choose to play them (pity because both are great games).

Because Xbox One has the same third party games also available, the differentiating factor between platforms is the power of the PS4 which makes third party games to run better on the system.

Personaly I have a PS4 mainly because I want to play the Sony exclusive games, but all the third party games that I play I buy them for my high end pc, because I find them cheaper and because I can enjoy them with better graphics/framerates/effects etc.

The same will happen with Scorpio, the differentiating factor will be the power difference and how third (and first obviously) party games will look and play.

Just no. That won't be the deciding factor and it's not the main reason why PS4 has the dominant market share.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

Attach rate is an important metric that shows the significance of the exclusive games for someone making a buying decision on the platform. With Sony exclusives not having a large attach rate and looking at the third party sales on the platform you can come to the conclusion that people prefer to play third party games more than first party games.

Killzone sold 2.1 and Infamous 2.8, compared with the install base its less than 5% of PS4 owners that played these games, even today in their heavily discounted prices people don't choose to play them (pity because both are great games).

Trying to use attach rate as some kind of important metric is bullshit, because the more popular a console is the more 'casual' consumers will buy it which results in a lower attach rate for anything but the most mainstream of titles. Attach ratios are higher at the start of a generation because you have the core audience predominantly buying the console, who are typically hungry for new software, and they're lower later in a console's life because lots of more casual consumers pick up the console (particularly if it drops in price) which dilutes the software attach rate. A sale is a sale. Bloodborne's ceiling was probably about 3 million consumers regardless of whether it launched 15 months or 55 months after the PS4 came out. By your logic, Halo 4 should have sold much more than Halo 3 because there were a lot more Xbox 360s sold in 2012 than 2007, right?

 

[names2hard4you]

Forza. "See that hill? You can drive to it."

 

[IvorB]

MS needs 3rd party for this.

The answer would be, stop using xbox or scorpio and bring a pcbox with pc games.
So the mainstream gamers could stay with ps4 and hardcore gamers can go to pcbox.

People could have this way a reason to buy 3 consoles:
- Sony for the mainstream games. Horizon, call of duty, fifa....
- Micorsoft for hardcore or massive online games: quake4, overwatch, starcraft, wow...
- Nintendo for 3rd party titles and indie titels on the go and their Big First party titels + esport.

Who wouldn't love that?

What's the point of separating mainstream and hardcore in this way? I still see no reason for MS in that setup...

 

[MarveI]

Aside of Forza Horizon 3 their AAA games are for the most part consistent and serviceable but never really more than that. It's a cause for concern imo when the previous generation had plenty.

 

[Bgamer90]

Why does there need to be an answer?

Because doom!

Sony was doomed during the Holiday seasons this gen in which they had to rely on multiplats too!!!

 

[Noobcraft]

Forza. "See that hill? You can drive to it."

 

[Arunotaku]

I guess a new controller color scheme would do it ?

 

[Triggerhappytel]

"See that hill? You can fly to it."


Man, I'd love a Burnout Paradise in an environment like this. I adored the damage engine in that game, and you just don't get that from games with licensed vehicles.

 

[watdaeff4]

It doesn't appear MS wants a "direct answer" like the OP is suggesting.
They aren't going for the large scale single-player focused game anymore. GaaS is their bread and butter now.

For someone who can get multiple consoles these differences are what makes gaming great IMO - the variety. For those who can't and you are wanting a game like Zelda or Horizon, you better not buy an Xbox at this point IMO.

 

[Bits N Pieces]

Just kill this fucking thread with fire, burn it to the ground. Burn it all down.

 

[MilkyJoe]

It called being competitive.

Sony has Horizon.
Nintendo has switch +Zelden.
MS has Forza Horizon

What do MS to compete with to get my attention?

There you go. Something ps and Nintendo cannot compete with.

 

[kpaadet]

Attach rate is an important metric that shows the significance of the exclusive games for someone making a buying decision on the platform. With Sony exclusives not having a large attach rate and looking at the third party sales on the platform you can come to the conclusion that people prefer to play third party games more than first party games.

Killzone sold 2.1 and Infamous 2.8, compared with the install base its less than 5% of PS4 owners that played these games, even today in their heavily discounted prices people don't choose to play them (pity because both are great games).

Because Xbox One has the same third party games also available, the differentiating factor between platforms is the power of the PS4 which makes third party games to run better on the system.

Personaly I have a PS4 mainly because I want to play the Sony exclusive games, but all the third party games that I play I buy them for my high end pc, because I find them cheaper and because I can enjoy them with better graphics/framerates/effects etc.

The same will happen with Scorpio, the differentiating factor will be the power difference and how third (and first obviously) party games will look and play.

Power has never been the most important factor in the console space. If it was then the N64, Xbox, and PS3 would all win their gens.

 

[massucci]

Think it as Windows 10 platform and not only just the Xbox consile platform vs what the other consoles currently have.

Compare the platform active users currently (billion Win10 vs under 100 mil) and then tell me where is probably more profits in the future from the perspective of developers.

And why do you think that MS will not bring new games to Windows 10 (as a platform) in the future?

The PS4 will offer inferior gameplay experience in all third party games, games which will sell at the same price in both platforms. Just imagine the digital foundry comparisons.

The power difference is a major differentiating factor in which Sony would not have an hardware answer for the next (at least) two years.

I wouldn't call an higher res and some more extra graphic effects, a "better gameplay experience". Some narratives around this platform are a bit hyperbolic.

 

[Business]

It's not about list wars, it's about personal taste and I was making a point. Yes I enjoyed the FH games, and as a platform, Sony is lacking in racing games. That's a huge black hole as far as I am concerned. A much bigger hole than missing and open world adventure, (there's plenty of those), it's a whole genre.

You have enjoyed your Sony exclusives, personally there are only two games that I want that are PS exclusive. One of them was Ace Combat 7, that exclusivity lasted about 3 days, so that leaves one game. And I don't buy consoles for one game (never again, Atari Jaguar). MS has very little to offer you, but Sony has very little to offer me.

I accept that the MS exclusives are rather thin, but personally I think a lot of the recent PS exclusives are rather vacuous, with the exception of Horizon, which does look very good, though not my cup of tea. At the end of the day it's all about what you want out of a console. MS has the racing games, the better controller, the backwards compatibility, the better infrastructure, the four free games a month ( i have no idea what PS offers there) and the soon to be best versions of multiplats, so that's the better package in my opinion.

When PS offers something that I can't live without then I will buy one of those too, like I said it was AC7, but now we are back to the drawing board.

Spoiler

(though I might get one, just for the fuck of it, when my den is completed)

 

[blakep267]

It called being competitive.

Sony has Horizon.
Nintendo has switch +Zelden.
MS has ????

What do MS to compete with to get my attention?

Not every company has every genre filled. Sony nor Nintendo have a FPS franchise as successful as halo, or an RTS, or minecraft or Forza Horizon etc

As for upcoming games. Where's sonys multiplayer co-op survival game( State of Decay)? Where's the shared world adventure game(Sea of Thieves)?

Also not everything has to cater to your specific gamer needs. Sony doesn't have a halo and I'm not really a fan of COD or Destiny. So I'm not interested in their console. That's fine. There are other places that fill those needs.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

Just kill this fucking thread with fire, burn it to the ground. Burn it all down.

Why? Do you not think there's a good opportunity for MS to invest in an ARPG, which is one of the very biggest genres in gaming at the moment?

 

[dealer-]

Playground is making an open world game. Western focused + apocalyptic theme/setting would do nicely for them.

 

[Rellik]

Not every company has every genre filled. Sony nor Nintendo have a FPS franchise as successful as halo, or an RTS, or minecraft or Forza Horizon etc

Also not everything has to cater to your specific gamer needs. Sony doesn't have a halo and I'm not really a fan of COD or Destiny. So I'm not interested in their console. That's fine. There are other places that fill those needs.

MS may own Minecraft but it's still available on the PS3 and PS4.

 

[ResidentDante]

It called being competitive.

Sony has Horizon.
Nintendo has switch +Zelden.
MS has ????

What do MS to compete with to get my attention?

That question can be turned to both Sony and Nintendo too, it's all about the games and what they offer that brings attention. If the exclusive games aren't for you, well then you probably will never buy the console that runs them.

 

[gaming_noob]

Alternate reality

 

[Bits N Pieces]

Why? Do you not think there's a good opportunity for MS to invest in an ARPG, which is one of the very biggest genres in gaming at the moment?

If it was 15 pages of intelligent discoure or constructive debate then I would be leading the post count but its not, is it?

Its just a willy waving shit storm of a thread.

 

[blakep267]

MS may own Minecraft but it's still available on the PS3 and PS4.

And it doesn't get the same updates as fast or stuff like Realms isn't announced for it and tomorrow Minecraft 2 could be announced as a console exclusive. But that's missing my overall point

 

[Netherscourge]

Annoying exclusivity contracts with 3rd party devs.

 

[MightyHedgehog]

I'd rather see a really advanced open world city simulation surrounded by a large wilderness than another large wilderness with mostly small settlements. A to-scale 2072 Shadowrun version of Seattle with MS' cloud handling the illusion of a fantasy-futuristic megalopolis teeming with tens of millions of inhabitants driving, walking, working, socializing, and fighting. A great potential-AAA IP MS has control of and does nothing with.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

If it was 15 pages of intelligent discoure or constructive debate then I would be leading the post count but its not, is it?

Its just a willy waving shit storm of a thread.

I mean, you could contribute to the discussion? If you think people are wrong or being unfair then you could respond to their points and shut them down? Or if you think it's really a waste of space, contact a mod and see if they think the topic should be closed. You've made at least two posts complaining, which to me doesn't seem to bring anything at all to the conversation.

Sony and Nintendo have both just released highly-acclaimed action-adventures/ARPGs, and considering MS just cancelled one a couple of months ago of course it's going to invite comparisons.

 

[Doc_Drop]

Just kill this fucking thread with fire, burn it to the ground. Burn it all down.

You alright pal?

 

[StrongBlackVine]

Playground is making an open world game. Western focused + apocalyptic theme/setting would do nicely for them.

I don't think that is a Microsoft published game.

 

[Phoenix RISING]

Low-key Xbox bashing party is fun, but a meme is sufficent.

 

[MosquitoSmasher]

I don't think that is a Microsoft published game.

Nothing is certain about that game yet, only that it's open world and not racing. But it's perfectly possible that MS strikes a deal with them since they clearly have a good business relationship when it comes to the FH games. At the same time it's also perfectly possible it will be multiplatform.

 

[Head.spawn]

Not every company has every genre filled. Sony nor Nintendo have a FPS franchise as successful as halo, or an RTS, or minecraft or Forza Horizon etc

As for upcoming games. Where's sonys multiplayer co-op survival game( State of Decay)? Where's the shared world adventure game(Sea of Thieves)?

Also not everything has to cater to your specific gamer needs. Sony doesn't have a halo and I'm not really a fan of COD or Destiny. So I'm not interested in their console. That's fine. There are other places that fill those needs.

I hate to be the one to break it to you, but those don't count.

 

[Hoo-doo]

Just kill this fucking thread with fire, burn it to the ground. Burn it all down.

Why the theatrics?

 

[Laurel_McFang]

If crackdown manages to deliver on its cloud based destruction then it might be more interesting.
Also Below is Zelda like and might fit the bill only in indie form.

 

[Arklite]

Alternate reality

Is this how some viewed Scalebound? It looked like it might've been pulling in too many directions I suppose.

 

[Peterc]

What's the point of separating mainstream and hardcore in this way? I still see no reason for MS in that setup...

Because, most games are mostly focus on mainstream to sell on console.
There aren't many hardcore games if none on console, you need to bootup your pc and sit behind a monitor to play those games.

Well this is the answer.

Beside that, whats to point to have 2 times the same console with the same games. I don't thing we need that.Only Nintendo is separating from the rest.
Microsoft already has everything to do this, sony is good on bringing mainstream games to the people.

 

[twobear]

MS did have an exclusive console release this quarter that by most accounts was pretty solid, and in a genre that isn't even super saturated. The issue seems to be more that people don't care than that they didn't do anything.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

Nothing is certain about that game yet, only that it's open world and not racing. But it's perfectly possible that MS strikes a deal with them since they clearly have a good business relationship when it comes to the FH games. At the same time it's also perfectly possible it will be multiplatform.

Someone has to be funding it so whoever is publishing it has already struck the deal. Unless Playground has the crazy cash laying around for an independent studio to expand and starting making a new IP with no publisher. I mean it's definitely possible that Microsoft is involved, but doesn't seem like the kind of risk they would take right now.

 

[Raysod]

Trying to use attach rate as some kind of important metric is bullshit, because the more popular a console is the more 'casual' consumers will buy it which results in a lower attach rate for anything but the most mainstream of titles. Attach ratios are higher at the start of a generation because you have the core audience predominantly buying the console, who are typically hungry for new software, and they're lower later in a console's life because lots of more casual consumers pick up the console (particularly if it drops in price) which dilutes the software attach rate. A sale is a sale. Bloodborne's ceiling was probably about 3 million consumers regardless of whether it launched 15 months or 55 months after the PS4 came out. By your logic, Halo 4 should have sold much more than Halo 3 because there were a lot more Xbox 360s sold in 2012 than 2007, right?

Halo 3 sold 13 mil units (at launch month it had 50% attach rate in almost 15 mil consoles) and Halo 4 sold 10 mil (12% attach rate) and because it was a worst game than Halo 3 lost in sales. Still can you tell me one Sony first party in this gen that achieved these kind of sales numbers?

I am just saying that the age that the first party games made sales like halo 3 are long gone (with an exception of nintendo and its platforms) and that third party studios make or brake platforms.

My argument is that third party games sale more than first party games, thus first party games play a lesser role in a platform success, and based on this assumption, one factor that will make people choose the Scorpio over PS4 will be that the third party games will run a lot better.

Both the Xbox and the PS4 are very profitable as platforms (i have and enjoy both), I just believe thet Scorpio, if priced aggressively under 450€, will win a lot of hardcore audience and market share for MS.

Imagine Red Dead Redemtion 2 in the next E3 running in 1080p/60fps (or 4K/30fps) with ultra details and HDR in Scorpio, and tell me that this will not be a selling point for the system and that MS will need more exclusive games to make a console sale.

Or imagine Forza 7 running in 4K/60fps.

 

[Microsofts Hunert Smoke]

It called being competitive.

Sony has Horizon.
Nintendo has switch +Zelden.
MS has ????

What do MS to compete with to get my attention?

Ms has Halo Wars. What do the other two have to compete?

I mean the Xbox doomed crowd is reaching for desleration.

 

[Tripolygon]

You alright pal?

Na, he's in Bits N Pieces.

I'll see myself out.

 

[Doc_Drop]

I feel like this thread is reasonably well natured, aside from the occasional post.

The way I see it is this - personally I want every company to succeed and give me reasons to get involved with their products. Nintendo have me looking hot and heavy at Zelda and the eventual Mario, but so far Microsoft haven't really tempted me this gen. However, they have made me think about moving over to windows 10 to check out their games on PC, only problem is the poor storefront.

A large tentpole RPG/adventure game would have me intrigued. Both Nintendo and Sony have this

 

[leeh]

I mean, you could contribute to the discussion? If you think people are wrong or being unfair then you could respond to their points and shut them down? Or if you think it's really a waste of space, contact a mod and see if they think the topic should be closed. You've made at least two posts complaining, which to me doesn't seem to bring anything at all to the conversation.

Sony and Nintendo have both just released highly-acclaimed action-adventures/ARPGs, and considering MS just cancelled one a couple of months ago of course it's going to invite comparisons.

I can't think of any highly-acclaimed ARPG which was cancelled by them. Just one which was absolutely slated anytime it was shown, and now is suddenly thought to of been the second coming of Christ after it's been cancelled.

 

[The Cartographer]

Those two games were released almost a month ago, there's nothing to ''counter'' anymore for Xbox.

 

[Microsofts Hunert Smoke]

It doesn't appear MS wants a "direct answer" like the OP is suggesting.
They aren't going for the large scale single-player focused game anymore. GaaS is their bread and butter now.

For someone who can get multiple consoles these differences are what makes gaming great IMO - the variety. For those who can't and you are wanting a game like Zelda or Horizon, you better not buy an Xbox at this point IMO.

Didn't Quantum Break release recently and Gears 4 have a decent sp campaign? Then there was DR4?

 

[Charles Brandon]

Because, most games are mostly focus on mainstream to sell on console.
There aren't many hardcore games if none on console, you need to bootup your pc and sit behind a monitor to play those games.

Well this is the answer.

Beside that, whats to point to have 2 times the same console with the same games. I don't thing we need that.Only Nintendo is separating from the rest.
Microsoft already has everything to do this, sony is good on bringing mainstream games to the people.

I think you have a non-standard idea of what constitutes 'hardcore'.

 

[Banjo-Kazooie]

It's called Forza Horizon 3 and came out before those games

 

[KojiKnight]

The real answer is a lot simpler than people make it out to be...

Minecraft.

 

[KORNdoggy]

Not every company has every genre filled. Sony nor Nintendo have a FPS franchise as successful as halo, or an RTS, or minecraft or Forza Horizon etc

As for upcoming games. Where's sonys multiplayer co-op survival game( State of Decay)? Where's the shared world adventure game(Sea of Thieves)?

Also not everything has to cater to your specific gamer needs. Sony doesn't have a halo and I'm not really a fan of COD or Destiny. So I'm not interested in their console. That's fine. There are other places that fill those needs.

for halo you have a point since we know it's a massive franchise that reviews well. it's a worthy title for sony to aim at matching or bettering. but until we know if games like sea of thieves are a success, and until RTS becomes a huge seller on consoles, there isn't really a need to have an answer to those games.

why bother creating competition to a title that is universally panned and/or sells like absolute shit? similarly, why would MS give a shit about creating an answer to knack? lol

 

[Doc_Drop]

Those two games were released almost a month ago, there's nothing to ''counter'' anymore for Xbox.

It's not like they're going to disappear into the ether, Zelda especially will be bringing people to the Switch for years to come

 

[StrongBlackVine]

The real answer is a lot simpler than people make it out to be...

Minecraft.

That's on every platform.