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Xbox Scorpio Pricing Discussion
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hydrophilic attack
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should be $399 if they want it to take off
if they price it at $499 or above that's all the proof we need that they're planning to get out of the console business
it will be $399 tho
if they price it at $499 or above that's all the proof we need that they're planning to get out of the console business
it will be $399 tho
giant_frying_pan
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Four hundred and ninety-nine US dollars.
Microsoft has been clear that it isn't intended to be a mass-market product at the outset and they are not averse to having a premium option at a corresponding price point. See: the Elite controller.
Microsoft has been clear that it isn't intended to be a mass-market product at the outset and they are not averse to having a premium option at a corresponding price point. See: the Elite controller.
$400, the original Xbox One was $500 with a pricey piece of add on tech in the Kinect 2, while carrying 5 billion transistors (silcon)
Scorpio is 7 billion transistors, no add on tech and on a smaller process node. It might be sold at a small loss because of cooling, but Microsoft already painted the Scorpio as competitively priced, and it doesn't come with an extra large hard drive, so I'm thinking it will get away with a small loss at $400.
However, Microsoft might not want to take a small loss on the product and might see slow adoption being preferred, offering at $500 could mean a profit for Microsoft and hiding behind xbox1 sales for hardware adoption could be a good way to swallow the product not selling quite as fast or being competitive.
In the end, it depends on how competitive Microsoft wants to be in the console market, $400 is an aggressive play for the console market, $500 is not competitive and could see PS4 Pro drop price to $350 just to further cement Sony as the console leader.
Scorpio is also a league above PS4 Pro, and considering the improvement over XB1, it could even be looked at as a similar jump up from XB1 that XB1 enjoyed over 360, blurring the lines between "generations" even further, so high adoption would be the smarter play, unless Microsoft is shifting to PC development and using xbox brand as a means to push DX12 down developers throats in this fragile API phase for Microsoft, turning XB1's API into a hardware solution and making DX12 basically a must for the platform is telling to this, and in that case, the $500 price tag makes sense.
Scorpio is 7 billion transistors, no add on tech and on a smaller process node. It might be sold at a small loss because of cooling, but Microsoft already painted the Scorpio as competitively priced, and it doesn't come with an extra large hard drive, so I'm thinking it will get away with a small loss at $400.
However, Microsoft might not want to take a small loss on the product and might see slow adoption being preferred, offering at $500 could mean a profit for Microsoft and hiding behind xbox1 sales for hardware adoption could be a good way to swallow the product not selling quite as fast or being competitive.
In the end, it depends on how competitive Microsoft wants to be in the console market, $400 is an aggressive play for the console market, $500 is not competitive and could see PS4 Pro drop price to $350 just to further cement Sony as the console leader.
Scorpio is also a league above PS4 Pro, and considering the improvement over XB1, it could even be looked at as a similar jump up from XB1 that XB1 enjoyed over 360, blurring the lines between "generations" even further, so high adoption would be the smarter play, unless Microsoft is shifting to PC development and using xbox brand as a means to push DX12 down developers throats in this fragile API phase for Microsoft, turning XB1's API into a hardware solution and making DX12 basically a must for the platform is telling to this, and in that case, the $500 price tag makes sense.
giant_frying_pan
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If they were planning to exit the market altogether, they wouldn't even have Scorpio in the first place and the six or seven figure R&D costs associated with it.
PeterLegend
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450 or 500.
Microsoft still wants to make a good profit
Microsoft still wants to make a good profit
Mr.Deadshot
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Everything above 399$/ seems like a really bad idea. At least over here in Europe.
TylerDurden4321
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The reasoning why it must be more expensive is...
- yes, a year will have passed since PS4 Pro, but the chip is larger
- 50% more ram without ram prices having gone down for real in the last year
- the vapor chamber cooler needed for the higher clocks will add quite a bit to the price (higher clocks are preferably over more cores for coding)
- UHD Blu-ray adds a tiny bit to the price
- dedicated 4k encoding is still expensive and adds to the price
- and lets not forget that this thing seems to be a more "custom" job than the PS4 Pro, design cost also adds to the price
I would say 499USD with a game, but if Sony goes 350 with the Pro, maybe MS can still do something like give out a free year of XBL Gold and a nice catalog of now upscaled backwards compat games.
And let's not forget that MS will still want to sell XB1Ss and market Scorpio as the deluxe thing for enthusiasts first.
- yes, a year will have passed since PS4 Pro, but the chip is larger
- 50% more ram without ram prices having gone down for real in the last year
- the vapor chamber cooler needed for the higher clocks will add quite a bit to the price (higher clocks are preferably over more cores for coding)
- UHD Blu-ray adds a tiny bit to the price
- dedicated 4k encoding is still expensive and adds to the price
- and lets not forget that this thing seems to be a more "custom" job than the PS4 Pro, design cost also adds to the price
I would say 499USD with a game, but if Sony goes 350 with the Pro, maybe MS can still do something like give out a free year of XBL Gold and a nice catalog of now upscaled backwards compat games.
And let's not forget that MS will still want to sell XB1Ss and market Scorpio as the deluxe thing for enthusiasts first.
I just don't see Xbox being given the leeway to continue to sell at a loss for their brand new system. Also everything we have heard suggests this is being treated exactly like the PS4pro. It's a premium product for people who want it but will not replace the S as their primary model.
Don't forget the Atmos licensing. Microsoft is going all out with this machine.
This. Plus, a smaller box means they also save on materials, packaging and shipping costs, so the expensive cooling (if it even is much more expensive in mass production) is offset somewhat.
While most other things it has going for it compared to the Pro can be offset by launching a year later (imo), only the DX12 co processing stuff and GPU (maybe) and the UHD BD drive + licenses (definitely an extra cost) are what could make this launch over $ 399. It's not the other hardware.
Souless_PJ
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$499 US
J_ToSaveTheDay
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$499 for a standard 1TB model with a launch-window-only SKU with additional, enhanced storage (2TB hybrid SSD) @ $599 and special edition controller signifying its launch edition status, similar to Xbox One S's launch (though the 2TB XB1S was still just a standard drive) and a callback to the launch edition standard XB1. To specify, I believe that both SKUs will be available on launch day, unlike the XB1S being only the 2TB SKU for a limited time.
benicillin
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This cycle is never going to see Microsoft competitive with Sony. It's just not going to happen and they'd be dumb to take a loss on it to try to. It's too late in the game for someone to switch platforms mid-generation. They'll price it at $499 as a premium product for Xboxfans and 4K tv owners. The Elite controller has seen tremendous success despite being over twice the price of a standard controller and MS knows people will pay premium money for good things.
tiredheadcrab
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I would guess $449. If the system is really well constructed and not a conventional piece of plastic (doubt it) I can see it hitting over $499.
I would be surprised if it is $399 however. I mean they are probably pulling a Vita here with the pricing, making everyone think its higher than expected and its not.
I would be surprised if it is $399 however. I mean they are probably pulling a Vita here with the pricing, making everyone think its higher than expected and its not.
Koutsoubas
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Anything above 450 is dead on arrival
Hoho for breakfast
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$400 or I'll probably just buy a Pro.
Some people are guessing $600 plus? What the fuck are they smoking?
Some people are guessing $600 plus? What the fuck are they smoking?
Guys, is your long term memory functional? We had the exact same situation back when PS4 Pro was about to be revealed. It will be $399. There's nothing that will push this to $499 - and it won't sell in mass market volumes at that price. They not only have to compete against Sony now, there's also a Switch in the market.
399 is my bet. And otherwise I expect 449 at the most.
Sony has such a headstart over them in terms of sales that they need to be strongly competitive in terms of pricing. Furthermore, I am one of the people who believes Sony can lower the pricing of the Pro without losing too much (349 or even lower) and a potential 100-150 dollar difference could be a deciding factor for many people.
Taken together, if they really want it to be successful with the mass consumers, 500 will be too much I think.
Sony has such a headstart over them in terms of sales that they need to be strongly competitive in terms of pricing. Furthermore, I am one of the people who believes Sony can lower the pricing of the Pro without losing too much (349 or even lower) and a potential 100-150 dollar difference could be a deciding factor for many people.
Taken together, if they really want it to be successful with the mass consumers, 500 will be too much I think.
I suspect MS will be willing to take a hit to their margins in order to build mind share and momentum with this one. Equivalent pricing to the PS4 Pro I think is impossible but $450 maybe if it's a $100 gap maybe they can sell it but they might not get the volume out there in circulation to get people interested.
Nevertheless it will be interesting where the price it - I think anything over $500 is DOA.
hydrophilic attack
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greenlighting this box, then forcing the xbox division to price it too high, would be the moves i would make if i were a microsoft suit wanting to kill the xbox division
It's not going to be the same as the Pro regardless. The Pro and Slim PS4 will definitely get a price cut this holiday. Even more if the Scorpio is anywhere close to the pro.
Fallout-with-swords
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People are saying it's comparable to a 1070, either that's not the case or it's $500 +.
And Microsoft doesn't seem like the type of company currently that would let a new Xbox product sell at a loss.
And Microsoft doesn't seem like the type of company currently that would let a new Xbox product sell at a loss.
It will eventually replace the XB1, 2 or 3 years from now. Also another iteration of the Xbox platform will come out in 3 or 4 years with the target of taking scorpio 1080p titles and making them run at 4K, at least that seems to be the method that Microsoft is chasing this new no generations thing.
The real question is, does microsoft care about making money on the console market, or simply care about DirectX, because adoption is not as important to keep DirectX the main target for PC titles and giving this huge hardware advantage to Scorpio in DX12, forces developers to use it, I mean it could mean up to twice the CPU performance, thanks to the API being completely off the CPU.
The Salt Life
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I can see it being $399-$449
It's going to be the strongest console on the market, we already know it has more umphh than a ps4 pro so I can see the $449.
Don't see $500, not with it launching in November.
It's going to be the strongest console on the market, we already know it has more umphh than a ps4 pro so I can see the $449.
Don't see $500, not with it launching in November.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
$449 - $549.
Reasoning: SoC will be pretty expensive as its a big, dense chip. It also runs pretty hot pushing up costs for cooling. Everything else just adds on top of that.
Sony cut a lot of corners on the Pro in order to keep costs down, e.g. No UHD drive, cheap extra Ram, etc. Scorpio does none of this.
I can see absolutely no way it'll come in under $400.
Reasoning: SoC will be pretty expensive as its a big, dense chip. It also runs pretty hot pushing up costs for cooling. Everything else just adds on top of that.
Sony cut a lot of corners on the Pro in order to keep costs down, e.g. No UHD drive, cheap extra Ram, etc. Scorpio does none of this.
I can see absolutely no way it'll come in under $400.
Is it really though? They do like to emphasize that, but Sony also presented some custom additions in their PS4 Pro presentation IIRC. Without knowing how much time / money was invested by either of them, we really can't say imo.
$499 if they are treating it as an isolated self sustaining console.
$399 if they are planning on offsetting losses against continued sales of the more mass market XB1s.
Biggest risk = PS4 is the mass market darling and will continue to be so, putting the second option as a potential gamble. They may settle somewhere in the middle as a result.
$399 if they are planning on offsetting losses against continued sales of the more mass market XB1s.
Biggest risk = PS4 is the mass market darling and will continue to be so, putting the second option as a potential gamble. They may settle somewhere in the middle as a result.
Caio
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Sorry, how can it be anything less than 499$ with that hardware inside ? Also PS4 PRO could have a price cut by the time of Scorpio Lunch. So if price is the key point for you, get a PRO, still very good performance and graphics and much cheaper by the time Scorpio Lunches.
intheinbetween
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IF it really is intended to be a premium product they should throw in an Elite controller, IF they do this I can see this thing hitting 499$/, and totally worth every cent
The Jackdog
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400 is a nice surprise
500 is expected
550 is on the expensive side, probably too high
600 is a disappointment
500 is expected
550 is on the expensive side, probably too high
600 is a disappointment
VincentMatts
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I just dont see how its going to be less than 499$.
But if somehow they announced it at 399$ at E3, that would seriously be a megaton and a #gamechanger.
But if somehow they announced it at 399$ at E3, that would seriously be a megaton and a #gamechanger.