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Xbox Scorpio Pricing Discussion
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GinoFelino
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499 would be goddamn insane given the current market.
It's 399 or it's dead in the water.
It's 399 or it's dead in the water.
I'm anticipating a 499$ pricetag on this thing. Microsoft said again and again that is a premium console. Hopefully it'll be cheaper though, 449$ or even 399$ (unlikely imo). Any amount above 499$ would be insane.
While I'm willing to pay 499$ for a Scorpio, I doubt that many people will at that price. Especially with a potentially discounted PS4 Pro this holiday.
While I'm willing to pay 499$ for a Scorpio, I doubt that many people will at that price. Especially with a potentially discounted PS4 Pro this holiday.
.I'm guessing it will be either 449,- or 499,- which seems about right for a premium console.
I think it will struggle if it is going to be 499,- though.. It might fare a bit better at 449,- but i don't think it will sell very well until it drops below 400,- and even then i wonder how well it will do with the prices a PS4 can be had for these days and even the Pro could drop in price to combat the scorpio if Sony wanted to.
Microsoft will also need to do better when it comes to games if they want Scorpio to be succesful.
I think it will struggle if it is going to be 499,- though.. It might fare a bit better at 449,- but i don't think it will sell very well until it drops below 400,- and even then i wonder how well it will do with the prices a PS4 can be had for these days and even the Pro could drop in price to combat the scorpio if Sony wanted to.
Microsoft will also need to do better when it comes to games if they want Scorpio to be succesful.
Hispanic! At the Disco
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Im guessing $499. I don't think the jump between pro and scorpio is as big as people are thinking and it'll have been a year, so $500 seems right to me.
Hey if they can get me one for $300 or less from trading in my old xbox I may jump in though!
Hey if they can get me one for $300 or less from trading in my old xbox I may jump in though!
See that is the issue. A game that can only run 1080P on Scorpio is going to run like trash on the original one. So what is the timeframe for them saying devs don't have to support the original system. I think both Sony and MS have stated that neither system will have exclusive games so at some point you have to have a break as to what is considered a PS4/XBO title. I could see Scorpio supporting XB2 games with the justification that they are not XBO titles. These half step consoles add a new layer of weirdness.
Okami Haundo
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I'm really torn on this! I'll start by saying that I think $399 would be the most competitive price possible. That being said, I agree with OP in that they're talking it up as if it demands a premium price. So honestly, I really wouldn't be surprised if they went with $499 either.
I do think that the pricing they go with will absolutely give us a clear look into their plans with Scorpio. Going with $399 says to me that they're willing to take a loss to expand their customer base. Going with $499 seems like they really just want to provide a premium option for existing customers.
I do think that the pricing they go with will absolutely give us a clear look into their plans with Scorpio. Going with $399 says to me that they're willing to take a loss to expand their customer base. Going with $499 seems like they really just want to provide a premium option for existing customers.
Sidewinder
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450$ is my guess maybe even 499$, the internals sound at least as expensive as the Pro was last October with some stuff added everywhere: UHD drive, 4 gigs more Ram, that fancy cooling and apparently surprisingly small box size all come at a price.
Maybe that hyper customized Cpu is also more expensive, I don't really know, just guessing here, but this is meant for the absolute hardcore and they'll line up to buy it in the same numbers if it is 499$ or 399$ at the beginning, so MS can set the price that high if they wish.
On the other hand, if Sony slashes the Pro price by about 100$ during the Scorpio launch week or lowers it permanently by 50$, 499$ would look horrendously expensive, that's why I'm going with 450$.
399$ would be a nice surprise.
Maybe that hyper customized Cpu is also more expensive, I don't really know, just guessing here, but this is meant for the absolute hardcore and they'll line up to buy it in the same numbers if it is 499$ or 399$ at the beginning, so MS can set the price that high if they wish.
On the other hand, if Sony slashes the Pro price by about 100$ during the Scorpio launch week or lowers it permanently by 50$, 499$ would look horrendously expensive, that's why I'm going with 450$.
399$ would be a nice surprise.
£399. More than this and they have to justify it more. Maybe throw in some EA Access, Gold or something else to add value.
My XB1 will be traded in, even if the Scorpio price goes above 399 ,but the sub 400 is the sweet spot, especially for what they are offering. A good jump above their nearest competitors and all the BC stuff as well.
My XB1 will be traded in, even if the Scorpio price goes above 399 ,but the sub 400 is the sweet spot, especially for what they are offering. A good jump above their nearest competitors and all the BC stuff as well.
I'm in two minds.
Scorpio isn't going to beat the PS4 so why bother going low at $399, the enthusiasts will buy at $449-$499.
On the other hand, I can imagine them beating the premium drum so when it comes to E3 or whenever the price is unveiled, boom $399 sounds like a bargain versus a $350 PS4 Pro by that time.
I think they won't even bother with a 500GB hard drive which will push the price up by default. 1TB minimum.
Scorpio isn't going to beat the PS4 so why bother going low at $399, the enthusiasts will buy at $449-$499.
On the other hand, I can imagine them beating the premium drum so when it comes to E3 or whenever the price is unveiled, boom $399 sounds like a bargain versus a $350 PS4 Pro by that time.
I think they won't even bother with a 500GB hard drive which will push the price up by default. 1TB minimum.
When the next gen cut off comes along. I've seen it discussed a few times on here and people have theorised that eventually the base model will drop off - so PS4 and XB1s will drop off support wise, but Pro & Scorpio will be supported.
Which makes upgrade time really interesting. You can do a cheap upgrade (which it will be at the time) to Pro/Scorpio or push into whatever is offered after that. Weirdly, the Pro/Scorpio uptake might actually lag somewhat until that point.
It's that point that I think we'll see the real 4k guns brought out, I'd imagine enough people will have moved their TV set on by that point.
metalslimer
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It's going to be 450-499. I don't think MS is thinking short term sales here. Despite what people may think, I have doubts that the mass market are looking to upgrade to Scorpio right now. They already have the S which is a decent 4k media device.
Sad Affleck
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$399. Microsoft is just hinting at higher pricing so that when they reveal it officially it seems like a bargain.
Conversely, this is also something Sony can do. They can trade on the success of PS4, which I don't doubt will continue, to offset a price cut on the Pro.
The biggest challenge the newer machines have is that they have direct competitors in their predecessors that are cheaper and play all of the same titles.
The reason for it being (possibly) above $399 is the custom parts, as custom (obviously implying smaller quantities produced than stock) is more expensive.
The amount of Gddr 5 plays a role, as well as the advanced cooling too.
What helps keeping price down a bit is remaining with a Jaguar type CPU, and a GPU that isn't technically bleeding edge and "only" 40 CUs (just 4 more than PS4 Pro, but with ultra high clock).
I could see $449, but imo a $499 will be a hard sell beyond hardcores (the Pro at $399 a whole year before already was).
$399 might be a reach, and they might lose a bit of money at that price, but it also seems that it might be the target when you look at the compromises done and the "tricks" used to optimize the system.
The amount of Gddr 5 plays a role, as well as the advanced cooling too.
What helps keeping price down a bit is remaining with a Jaguar type CPU, and a GPU that isn't technically bleeding edge and "only" 40 CUs (just 4 more than PS4 Pro, but with ultra high clock).
I could see $449, but imo a $499 will be a hard sell beyond hardcores (the Pro at $399 a whole year before already was).
$399 might be a reach, and they might lose a bit of money at that price, but it also seems that it might be the target when you look at the compromises done and the "tricks" used to optimize the system.
get2sammyb
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They're setting the expectation that it's going to be more expensive so they can "surprise" everyone with $399 at E3.
It'll be $399.
It'll be $399.
SmokedMeat
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I think they're going to come in at $499. This is a product aimed at the core console user that has no problems dropping money on the latest hardware update day one. These are the guys you can squeeze some bucks out of. Scorpio won't be aimed at the mainstream consumer, which is why it's going to carry a premium price tag.
Hell, after that reveal I think they've got their core fanbase so lathered up over 4K everything at 60fps with room to spare talk, that they could go higher.
Hell, after that reveal I think they've got their core fanbase so lathered up over 4K everything at 60fps with room to spare talk, that they could go higher.
SicSemperTyrannis
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No idea. Isn't this what Nvidia 1XXX range cards ship with on the founders editions? I'm sure that all panned out to be marketing bluster.
What enthusiasts are we really talking about here? Thats a very very small market. A couple million maybe? We have already seen that from the Pro, and that system has games.
90% sure (still just my opinion) that price wasn't the actual factor, but simply that Sony didn't have a mass market Sony UHD drive ready.
tommycronin
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900 DOLLARYDOOS!!
It feels really hard to determine at this stage. I feel it's about as likely to be $399 as it is $499. I guess I'll say $450. In normal circumstances, it feels like a $499, but I can't help but feel Microsoft are willing to subsidise this (or, at least, take a smaller margin). It will be interesting to see how Sony react too, because this is the first time in a long time where their console won't be the best piece of hardware.
I expect a price drop and a new revision with a UHD drive.
I expect a price drop and a new revision with a UHD drive.
I think DF stated it was a minimum 1 TB. And I agree that it'll likely be $449-499 unless they really just wanna sell at a loss to appease fans.
VincentMatts
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Yeah, i think a 399 price would re-invigorate the xbox one brand. If they aim only for enthusiasts, i dont really see the point either. Announce at 399$ and start the comeback of the century. PS4 sold for a long time with not much to play. Dont see why MS cant do it as well.
I will say though, i think there is probably going to be a base 399$ model for scorpio just like the xbox one S had different, cheaper SKUs.
I doubt it will be less than $500, but that's not saying it's worth it. When consumers see a $200 slim PS4 or xbox one S on Black Friday next to this, they'll choose the slim. The price gaps between the regular and "pro" systems will be too much for the average consumer, and for the people wanting to spend $500 for graphics, I'd just encourage them to look into saving a bit more and building a PC.
I don't know how Microsoft can win with this being so far behind already :/
I don't know how Microsoft can win with this being so far behind already :/
The Salt Life
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Because people would buy it? The system is not for everyone
It's the market the Scorpio has been targeted at.
Bitch Pudding
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I agree with Chadskin, I don't see any reason why Scorpio's setup for $399 shouldn't be possible by fall 2017.
Aceofspades
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450. Anything above that and its a major rip off.
Jaguar, Polaris and Gddr5 are cheap.
Jaguar, Polaris and Gddr5 are cheap.
demosthenes
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There was an article that it added $16 or something to the bom I think and they didn't want that.
Savantcore
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While the 'Pro' suffix suggests an upgrade to the PS4, I believe the Scorpio will be in essence a whole new Xbox - and will be priced accordingly.
The Pro is premium compared to the PS4, the Scorpio will be premium full stop. I think it will be sold as a luxury product.
I just think they looked at it and thought, 'nah'. I don't think the 4K blu-ray market is there yet, and when you're making things on the scale of the PS4 Pro, that $15 addition adds up and probably didn't look worth it to them. I agree.
MechaDekka
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I would pay $600 if it came with an Elite controller and a 2TB hard drive. Otherwise I think $500 is totally reasonable.
LukasTaves
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At a point support will stop being mandatory, and will be a developer choice.
There are many games launched on xbone this day that would have no trouble running on a 360, but since porting to it has an associated cost no one bothers. But with a platform that "just runs", a unified certification process and a single store it becomes a lot easier on the dev to support those platforms.
