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Xbox Scorpio Pricing Discussion
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HomerSimpson-Man
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A year later than the PS4 Pro at $399 for the Scoprio seems doable. Sony was selling the Pro at a profit at $399 at launch too.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
It was at the very least breaking even.
So a year later with effectively the same parts, $399 will totally be the price.
IbizaPocholo
NeoGAFs Kent Brockman
499$, more would be overpriced for me for the hardware the console have inside.
I'm willing to take a bet on this. MS will likely get every penny from early adopters rather than be sold out. They will price it higher, the early adopters will buy it then the price may plummet after that to $399 but it won't be that at launch.
Did DF not say they don't see the cost below 499 based on the recently detailed specs?
399 would definitely be huge, but what will be the impact? To usher in a new generation that every company is trying to avoid, to compete with PS4 Pro that'll likely just lower it's price in response, or to get existing Xbox owners to buy a 2nd/3rd console? My rationale is that instead of selling it at a huge loss, Microsoft will just advertise it as the best console on the market. I don't see the rationale of entering a price war that you can't win- Scorpio's advantage will be power. If Microsoft is really worried about price objection, then the name of the game will be value. Digital first party titles, XBL Gold subs, the new game pass...because ultimately those things will cost them nothing. I believe Microsoft views Xbox One as a successful console, and will focus on continuing to be profitable by not chasing PS4's numbers.
DirtyLarry
Member
$429
They are finally gonna break the mold of insisting on ending with a "$*99" and determine the extra $29 (technically $31) is still low enough they will not push away all of those people who believe it needs to be $399.00
At least that is what I would do.
They are finally gonna break the mold of insisting on ending with a "$*99" and determine the extra $29 (technically $31) is still low enough they will not push away all of those people who believe it needs to be $399.00
At least that is what I would do.
lol
It's going to be 50~100$ more expensive than the PS4 Pro, however that's going to turn out in the fall. Why? Because it's a bigger APU, MS's and Sony's available fabs are the same, and Microsoft is going to pay extra for the RAM and the fact they're not a hardware co; e.g. sourcing their HSF from
Anyone who thinks they can attain (and keep) price parity with the PS4 Pro by sheer force of will is just delusional. That's not how material cost works. That's not how manufacturing works.
Dee Dah Dave
Member
£429 went down like a lead balloon in the UK.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
At $499 and for what the system can do, I think it's entirely possible. $450 would be nice but I'm not seeing $400. If Microsoft can pull it off, kuddos to them but I think the emphasis they have put on this being premium is what makes me lean to $499. I don't think it's DOA at that price and it's reasonable considering what you are getting. Plus I don't doubt Gamestop wouldn't be partnering heavy with them to do trade in for a fraction of the price. I'm calling it at $499. After a trade in, total cost will be $400.
Deputy Moonman
Member
Wut? The only thing similar between the two consoles is that Scorpio is likely using an upclocked/modified jaguar cpu. Or I guess you could argue 12 gigs versus 8 gigs of RAM. Other than that, the 2 systems are very different. Or am I missing something? Because you're not the first person to equate the PS4 Pro release price to the Scorpio. I don't think the situations are the same really. I'm pretty much wrong on this forum all the time though, so it wouldn't surprise me.
BoxManLocke
Member
399$ would give them a chance to win back some mindshare I think. Great hardware at a great price. It would put pressure on Sony as well.
Anything above that, especially $499, and it's out of impulse buy territory and way more expensive than PS4 Pro. At that price I'm seriously doubtful about the impact that console would have for Microsoft.
The Marketing we've had for Scorpio tells me they're willing to be much more aggressive than Sony in regards to their iterative console. The price has got to match the attitude, otherwise it'll have been for nothing.
Anything above that, especially $499, and it's out of impulse buy territory and way more expensive than PS4 Pro. At that price I'm seriously doubtful about the impact that console would have for Microsoft.
The Marketing we've had for Scorpio tells me they're willing to be much more aggressive than Sony in regards to their iterative console. The price has got to match the attitude, otherwise it'll have been for nothing.
Dee Dah Dave
Member
Surface sells to professionals though and people who want cool stuff.
Console gamers could split a fart in half, they dont wanna pay. Plus there's heavy competition from Sony.
You're changing the subject, I was responding to your sweeping judgement of the non-impact of a $399 price point..DF's guess on price has nothing to do with that. Not to mention I don't think their price estimate matters much anyway by their own admission.
The goal is to sell more consoles..and if you think just because this is being marketed as a premium product MS isn't interested in putting a bigger dent in their market share you're kidding yourself..they wouldn't even bother.
You don't know that $399 in Fall of this year for Scorpio would be a 'huge loss'..they could break even or come damn close.
chromatic9
Member
Yep. I know the £ has dropped some in light of Brexit but I still feel £400 plus is a what the fuck price that people will baulk at after the launch flurry.
What's interesting about the PS4 Pro is Sony has managed to keep the price low in UK and Europe despite less favourable conversion rates and the big killer VAT ranging around 20%. Other products have gone up due the big drops in the Euro and the recent drop in the Pound. Can MS do the same as Sony?
Dee Dah Dave
Member
Yeah it needs to be £399 in the UK tops.
I didn't change the subject. There's 3 reasons right below as to why I don't think 399 matters.
And for the reasons I've stated it's not going to matter, Microsoft sell more consoles with a new model regardless of how it's priced- it's just a matter of how much. The main reason why Xbox One is behind is gen is because of the price gap, not because it was 499. A price gap will still exist between Scorpio and Pro at 399 or 499, and that's what'll swap your typical consumers.
DF estimated cost of the parts to be no lower than 499. 499 - 399 = 100 dollars loss.
Listen, you don't have to agree with me, but I've at least backed up my reasoning. An alternative to taking fragments of my reply and attacking them individually would be to back up as to why you think it'll 399.
EventHorizon
Member
Scorpio will cost $499+.
The entire logic of those saying $399 is totally without regard to bill of material costs, and is entirely based on what they want Microsoft to charge. The PS4 Pro is the best metric we have for the cost of a high end console. If the PS4 Pro were instead launched in Fall 2017, its most optimistic price expectation would be $349. There is absolutely no way Scorpio only costs $50 dollars more to make than the Pro.
In addition, Scorpio is Microsoft's high end premium console aimed at the very price insensitive enthusiast market. This will be especially true at Scorpio's release. The Xbox One S is the mass market budget console for those who are cost sensitive. Any aggressive Microsoft console subsidy will be aimed at the XB1 S, not the Pro.
The entire logic of those saying $399 is totally without regard to bill of material costs, and is entirely based on what they want Microsoft to charge. The PS4 Pro is the best metric we have for the cost of a high end console. If the PS4 Pro were instead launched in Fall 2017, its most optimistic price expectation would be $349. There is absolutely no way Scorpio only costs $50 dollars more to make than the Pro.
In addition, Scorpio is Microsoft's high end premium console aimed at the very price insensitive enthusiast market. This will be especially true at Scorpio's release. The Xbox One S is the mass market budget console for those who are cost sensitive. Any aggressive Microsoft console subsidy will be aimed at the XB1 S, not the Pro.
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
Guys this is a clear set up, why do you guys think DF was kept saying with confident that it will be more than PS4 Pro, at one point he said out right that it's just going to be like the price was already announced.
I am talking about this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vDCUcGPTWg
Don't you think MS would have told him upfront not to talk about price at all? UNLESS they told him to label this thing as expensive machine so they can surprise everyone with 399 at E3
I am talking about this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vDCUcGPTWg
Don't you think MS would have told him upfront not to talk about price at all? UNLESS they told him to label this thing as expensive machine so they can surprise everyone with 399 at E3
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
$399. They want to emulate what Sony did with the PS4 price announcement at E3 2013. That press conference was a game changer.
You can't compare a Surface to a tablet. It's more of an ultrabook so it's competing with other high end notebooks.
Honestly that's what's going to be interesting about Scorpio's price. There really isn't a direct competitor say like the PS4 vs XB1 S. PS4 Pro is the close but its target audience is to keep PS4 players from jumping over to PC, Andrew House has even said as much. While Scorpio is firmly targeting heavy Xbox One users plus 4K TV adopters, hence the emphasis on native 4K and even the 4K blu ray player.
The more I think about it, the more I think it's going to be $499.
Edit: And if it does cost $499, I bet they don't even announce the price during the conference but after in a press release.
SRTtoZ
Member
$499+ IMO. This was advertised as a premium product and I can't see it costing $399 which is less than the original XB1 cost at the time, and lets be honest was far from a 'premium' product. I think if you asked me how much MS was going to charge for a 'premium' controller back before the elite controller I would have said around $100 and that ended up costing $150. I think many will be disappointed if they think this is going to cost $400.
JamesHolden
Banned
$499 - Would be fun if it was announced as available immediately at E3.
Microsoft will not sell Scorpio at a loss; if Scorpio can break even or be profitable at 399 then I think they'll absolutely go for it. The problem is at the moment the most reliable source is suggesting it'll be higher.
PeterLegend
Member
They'd be taking a loss at $399 or barely breaking even. This console includes a UHD drive and 12 Gigs of ram compared to the Pro's 8 gigs of ram. Then the cooling solution does look somewhat techy.
This will sell for $450 to $500 im my opinion.
This will sell for $450 to $500 im my opinion.
Err yeah you did change the subject, I was talking about the general consumer perceptions of $399 vs $499 price point, I feel it makes a difference and you said it doesn't..ok. Again that has nothing to do with part costs/PS4 Pro price/etc.
Also I disagree with your analogy to Xbone/PS4..The Xbone was underpowered..sure the price was a factor, but all the fuckups of Kinect/DRM plus being 100 more AND significantly less powerful
doomed it. Scorpio has non of those issues.
But anywho we'll agree to disagree on this one..hell I'll even avatar bet you on $399 if you want.
We know last year the drive adds 15 dollars. The ram and cooling are not adding 85 dollars. Be insane to price 150 more than the pro that will be 349.99 this holiday season like. 399.99 makes sense 50 more than the pro and let's them break even.
PeterLegend
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babyshaq90
Member
Im thinking its $499. As much as I want it to be $399, they are making it seem as a premium product not in the PS4 Pro range but better. At 399 insta buy for anyone I think who is in the market for one.
DataStream
Member
If it's $499 it best come with the elite controller
Anything over $399 and they push into that zone of too much for an impulse purchase, or justifiable upgrade over an XB1 or XB1s. Knowing Microsoft, they will have all the pieces in place, only to fumble on something so core that it ruins everything good about the product. I really don't want that to happen again. Scorpio needs to be a big hit. If not for the competition it will garner from Sony, but to also put back confidence in the brand with consumers and Microsoft shareholders alike. Pushing the price too high will be a deal breaker, and I'm very sure Microsoft is sensitive to this situation. I just hope those that make the final call on price have enough belief in the brand to take the loss per unit. It's a gamble, but a gamble I believe Microsoft needs to make.
So far, I think Microsoft has done everything right with Scorpio. They sound like they thoroughly believe in the system, and the future it could hold. Now that the hardware specs are out of the way, they can focus on games at E3 and other events leading up to launch.
We should all be hoping they don't fuck it up. I'm pulling for you Microsoft!
So far, I think Microsoft has done everything right with Scorpio. They sound like they thoroughly believe in the system, and the future it could hold. Now that the hardware specs are out of the way, they can focus on games at E3 and other events leading up to launch.
We should all be hoping they don't fuck it up. I'm pulling for you Microsoft!
Also amazing that launching at 449 (or any other non 100$ increment) is next to impossible. It's 399 OR 499, lol
Deputy Moonman
Member
Would be nice. I'm just keeping my expectations low.
SRTtoZ
Member
Impulse buy? I don't think people understand this is a product for the hardcore 4k bleeding edge visuals person who doesn't want to deal with PC's. The people who spend $150 on a controller. The XB1S will be for the casual person who just wants to play games without all the other nonsense.
Samurai G0SU
Member
They waited a year for the tech to be lower in price for manufacturing. Duhhh
399
They even mention thinking about price when talking about the cpu!
399
They even mention thinking about price when talking about the cpu!
BoxManLocke
Member
So a tiny, tiny niche, especially considering Xbox's position in the global market.
Why would a console like this get two E3 showings if Microsoft thought it wouldn't have a real impact in sales ? Because if it's over $399 it sure as hell won't have any.
I always nail it on the price. I can't tell with this one.
$399 is the target that Microsoft would love to hit
$449 was my initial prediction on it, but this is some serious piece of customized hardware that they are putting together
$499 is probably going to be the price unless I get more information that indicates otherwise
This should be super interesting.
If it is $499, I feel like Sony won't have to do much to the price on their PS4 Pro. There will be still sales at retailers where it hits that $350 price point with a bunch of 1st party games bundled. That fucking Horizon Zero Dawn bundle that we all know is coming is going to slay. Pricing that at $350 MSRP, means that retailers will push closer to $300 on black friday.
If the Scorpio hits $449. I think that the Xbox One S will go as $200 with bundled games to slightly exceed prior year black Friday sales. PS Slim would stay around that $250 price point with bundled games. If that's both MSRP for the Xbox One S and PS4 Slim, expect a lot ofdeals as low as $200. The Uncharted 4 slim bundle was already on sale for $250 a few times these past months...
I wonder if Nintendo is going make the mistake of not doing shit on Switch pricing by Holiday time. At the VERY least there should be bundled games. You're going against potentially $200 consoles with much larger library of games.
$399 is the target that Microsoft would love to hit
$449 was my initial prediction on it, but this is some serious piece of customized hardware that they are putting together
$499 is probably going to be the price unless I get more information that indicates otherwise
This should be super interesting.
If it is $499, I feel like Sony won't have to do much to the price on their PS4 Pro. There will be still sales at retailers where it hits that $350 price point with a bunch of 1st party games bundled. That fucking Horizon Zero Dawn bundle that we all know is coming is going to slay. Pricing that at $350 MSRP, means that retailers will push closer to $300 on black friday.
If the Scorpio hits $449. I think that the Xbox One S will go as $200 with bundled games to slightly exceed prior year black Friday sales. PS Slim would stay around that $250 price point with bundled games. If that's both MSRP for the Xbox One S and PS4 Slim, expect a lot ofdeals as low as $200. The Uncharted 4 slim bundle was already on sale for $250 a few times these past months...
I wonder if Nintendo is going make the mistake of not doing shit on Switch pricing by Holiday time. At the VERY least there should be bundled games. You're going against potentially $200 consoles with much larger library of games.