Your comparison doest work as 360 was still ahead at the end of the generation and was the template for next gen consoles, Scorpio is looking to be the same, Freesync, BC, global super sampling, 4K BR, new cooling system etc. The jump between X1/PS4 to Scorpio dwarfs the jump to pro. Sony's flakey implementation of 'modes', some games not supporting pro and older games not receiving any enhancement does seem half arsed. I mean I didn't really feel compelled to upgrade from base PS4. The difference between Scorpio and Pro can easily be felt imo.
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Project Scorpio supports FreeSync and next-gen HDMI
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Your comparison doest work as 360 was still ahead at the end of the generation and was the template for next gen consoles, Scorpio is looking to be the same, Freesync, BC, global super sampling, 4K BR, new cooling system etc. The jump between X1/PS4 to Scorpio dwarfs the jump to pro. Sony's flakey implementation of 'modes', some games not supporting pro and older games not receiving any enhancement does seem half arsed. I mean I didn't really feel compelled to upgrade from base PS4. The difference between Scorpio and Pro can easily be felt imo.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
That's cool, but seems like it will be of little use to most people since there are no TVs that support it. Are any coming?
(Yes, I understand you can connect it to a monitor, but naaah).
(Yes, I understand you can connect it to a monitor, but naaah).
*Based on Open standard with free licensing. Open source would mean the code is available in the public domain and can be modified this isn't the case for freesync.
Also to note something being open-source doesn't stop them from charging for their support for example or making money in general. Open source is a methodology in how software is developed.
360 was not ahead last gen, and it was not 'the template for next gen consoles'.
Let's be clear. PS3 and 360 both had their pros and cons, its a completely apples to oranges scenario so i don't know why that guy brought it up.
The fact of the matter is though that its not as cut and dried as your saying.
There are things MS are legitimately hitting Sony on with Scorpio(in both a marketing and implementation scheme) such as 4K BR and consistent support for legacy software, but HDMI 2.1 and BC(why does a new cooling system matter for features sake?) are things that were literally impossible for Sony to implement due to various reasons and are not a matter of Sony dropping the ball so much as MS having the opportunity and the means.
Pro as a unit designed for launch in 2016 at 399 was the right call.
I watched a video of an AMD rep on the Freesync website just the other day where I recall the guy saying 'open source' specifically, and mentioning that it's completely free to implement.
But sure, you may be right. Point is that it's free.
I meant half-baked in the sense that they should have waited for late 2017 as well and add suppory for HDR Blu-Ray as well.
Microsoft and Sony both should have waited for early 2018 so they could both have Zen/Vega instead of Jag/Polaris again.
But hey.
Yo Hoo Doo- you gonna get the Scorpio?
As it stands right now? I really don't have any reason to.
If they blow out E3 with some must-play exclusives and hit a reasonable pricepoint, then i'm listening.
Or is this another 'you're not with us on the hypetrain so you can't post in this thread' type deal?
BlitzerRadic
Member
Freesync works on HDMI 1.4a - 2.0x, today. Google "freesync over HDMI" if you don't believe me. PS4 is a downclocked RX480, which has freesync. Sony could enable freesync when TVs actually have the required hardware to make it work, just like they did when they enabled HDR for OG PS4.
As hoo-doo said, you could technically make the argument of perpetual waiting for more features. MS should have waited till 2020 and released a more powerful box than PS5 for that matter.
The fact of the matter is both MS and Sony had their priorities in what they did, and it doesn't make either one necessarily 'half baked' for features that they could not possibly include.
You could even make the argument that not including 4KBR was Sony being overly aggressive in their 399 price point.
As i said once before, the biggest place MS are hitting Sony on is their treatment of legacy software, but even then, including PS3 BC was impossible from the start so if Sony ever does end up having hardware powerful enough to emulate PS3, they'll be starting at a different spot.
This is a great feature to have, but I do wonder how many people will appreciate it, an even then how many people will take advantage.
I appreciate it, its great, but I only bought a great 4ktv 6 months ago. No way will I be buying another screen in the next 5 years. Even then, how expensive are TVs going to be that support it when they do rock up?
I'm glad its finally making its way to consoles at least.
I appreciate it, its great, but I only bought a great 4ktv 6 months ago. No way will I be buying another screen in the next 5 years. Even then, how expensive are TVs going to be that support it when they do rock up?
I'm glad its finally making its way to consoles at least.
Camp Freddie
Member
It'll be a while before I upgrade, but I'm glad MS are doing the groundwork to get these open standards established.
G-sync is an expensive niche proprietary system that needs to die (and I speak as a gf970 owner). Hopefully nvidia will quietly switch to the HDMI variable FPS system.
The quicker monitor/TV makers switch to freesync/hdmi 2.1, the better.
G-sync is an expensive niche proprietary system that needs to die (and I speak as a gf970 owner). Hopefully nvidia will quietly switch to the HDMI variable FPS system.
The quicker monitor/TV makers switch to freesync/hdmi 2.1, the better.
This is EXACTLY what this is!
Your posts are the equivalent of a random penis constantly flashing on some girl on girl porn.
Stop killing the mood man!
Its a great feature simple as. Whether someone will take advantage of it is not that but definitely it will be taken advantage of. Freesync monitors are a thing right now and will be more so in the near future. As for TVs, you will start to see TVs with them towards the end of the year, right around when Scorpio is set to launch. As for expense, it will be no more expensive than a TV is going to cost. What I mean is VRR isn't going to be the differentiating expense factor among TVs.
if PS Pro can support freesync 1, then there's really no reason for tv companies to hold back at all. Freesync 2 is probably too early for this gen, but the first iteration of freesync is much more likely to be supported in the next 2 years
Tbf open source as a word is so wrongly used even my explanation is probably not 100% right but yh it's important that it's free to licence for wider adoption.
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Your posts are the equivalent of a random penis constantly flashing on some girl on girl porn.
Stop killing the mood man!
Fredrik
Member
Oh that I agree with, just didn't like the word half-baked, I just simply think they launched it too early, tech wasn't there to make it better, a 2017 launch would've most likely meant UHD drive, Freesync, 6tf or more. They just rushed it out for some weird reason, they were already dominating the generation so I really don't get why they rushed to the launch. Were there rumour of MS launching Scorpio last year too? Maybe they reacted to that? Or to Switch maybe? It's odd anyway.
wesleyshark
Banned
Just as it wasn't half baked, I don't think it was rushed either. As far as we know, they didn't learn about Scorpio until the pre-E3 leaks and then officially at E3. By that time, they would have long finalized the specs of the Pro, and probably also have nailed down a release window (I can't remember if they announced a release date at E3.)
The Pro wasn't rushed. It wasn't half baked. It was the mid gen refresh they wanted to make at the they wanted to make it. Microsoft had the same idea, but wanted to go a different route, and going that route meant waiting another year.
I'm thinking the exclusion of a UHD player was most likely due to sony not wanting to cannibalize its own upcoming standalone UHD player sales, and also their market estimates of how many UHD blurays vs regular blurays were being sold. I don't think they ever had planned on adding one, which factors into the Pro not being rushed.
You keep saying they rushed the launch when all indications are they launched it at the price point and time they wanted to do so and had been planning for for a while. There was no rushing, Scorpio just came out better a year later. They could have also included a 4KBR drive if they wanted to considering XB1S does already, but they chose not to do so.
MaulerX
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ThoseDeafMutes
Member
Been on the Gsync train since 2014, glad to see it filtering down to consoles finally. It's a great feature.
To me it feels like hey have a roadmap in place which they didn't want to deviate from. Maybe there is a 6 year plan to ps5? In which case launching it a year later would have left only 2 years for it on the market? At the ed of the day you can always delay and delay for better tech.
KampferZeon
Neo Member
honestly I think Sony should not be in the discussion. This is really about AMD vs Nvidia.
AMD is the big big player behind this. AMD will make sure both PS and XB have FreeSync support to break the current gsync monitor + Nvidia graphics card monopoly.
i don't believe VRR is something inherently difficult or hardware dependent and can't be added via a firmware update. And for the foreseeable future there are no TV or monitor that has VRR support over HDMI.
Big question is will the TV and monitor manufacturers have enough confidence to build Free sync VRR display now?
I would love to get
HDR + VRR ( up to 120hz ) @ 1080p
or
4K HDR VRR ( 30 to 60 Hz )
Also what is the implication to Switch if Nvidia don't offer Free sync support in 3 years time.
AMD is the big big player behind this. AMD will make sure both PS and XB have FreeSync support to break the current gsync monitor + Nvidia graphics card monopoly.
i don't believe VRR is something inherently difficult or hardware dependent and can't be added via a firmware update. And for the foreseeable future there are no TV or monitor that has VRR support over HDMI.
Big question is will the TV and monitor manufacturers have enough confidence to build Free sync VRR display now?
I would love to get
HDR + VRR ( up to 120hz ) @ 1080p
or
4K HDR VRR ( 30 to 60 Hz )
Also what is the implication to Switch if Nvidia don't offer Free sync support in 3 years time.
Agreed, but hey, we have a good box.
wesleyshark
Banned
That would conflict with their PS5/Nextbox plans for ~2019/2020 (or later) 🙃
I.. haven't heard that one before. Thanks, I guess!
To me that sounds like you have some serious insecurities, but who am I to judge.
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
Rudimental
Member
This is EXACTLY what this is!
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Your posts are the equivalent of a random penis constantly flashing on some girl on girl porn.
Stop killing the mood man!
Probably NSFW, so I'll put it as a link since I don't think image spoilers work on mobile.
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Fredrik
Member
Weren't there rumours that MS were doing an upgrade too almost a year before E3? Like Q3 2015 when the PS4K rumours started? Sony must've heard that too. But yeah they probably had the plan for Pro ready at the PS4 launch. Sneaky bastards. I wish I would've waited for Pro, in hindsight it was a big mistake going in day 1 this gen. All the applauds for launching at $399 was for nothing, for many of us this will be the most expensive generation yet.
wesleyshark
Banned
I can't quite recall exactly when the Xbox rumors started to be fair, but I still don't believe those had any sway on Sony's plans.
HighResTomato
Member
Who else is going to provide us with invaluable MS concern trolling?
I would if we were in June. We're not though.
dr_rus
Member
And why wouldn't they? They did "invent their own" for all the s/w on Xbox up till now. Could've just used Mantle, you know.
geordiemp
Member
Why, Zen and Vega are out end of this year, in 2018 / 19 will be looking forwards to Ps5 and Xb2. Pro coming out in 2016 gave us a bit longer use out of it before it is heavily surpassed.
Zen and Vega will be much stronger than what we have now, and will allow devs to do 60 FPS games in open world and large map AAA games which Pro and Scorpio have not a hope in hell lumped with Jaguars
Collateral22
Member
Awesome. One question, theres no way around getting the best out of this and on PC using and nVidia GPU is there? I'd need a G-Sync monitor for PC and a FreeSync one for Scorpio right?
lol PS5 is not coming out in 2018... maybe 2020, but not 2018. no way.
Both DX12 and Vulkan are highly Mantle based adaptions even down to the documentation, try again.
Like with eDP already as soon as Nvidia is open to using public adaptive sync standards in DP >=1.2a and HDMI >=2.1 they can make use of existing adaptive sync hardware that would otherwise be titled Freesync. But maybe their current GPUs really need specific proprietary hardware in displays to be able to use adaptive sync outside of eDP. *shrugs*
As it currently stands yup! Maybe Nvidia will unlock this in the future but as they have currently upgraded Gsync and invested highly in the technology it is highly unlikely.
You may see some monitor manufacturers have both Gsync and Freesync support if they include both HDMI connects but to be honest I have no idea how the Gsync module hooks it so this may be impossible or not cost effective.
Well that's just not true.
Few 30 FPS games are completely locked to it 100% of the time.
Even though they target 30, you could unlock the framerate or raise the cap to 35-40 for most games.
And you're getting rid of 60-150ms input lag by eliminating V-Sync at 30 FPS.
I do agree that it's of more benefit to PC gamers, especially when dealing with variable framerates above 60 FPS, rather than below it.
But it's still going to make a difference to 30 FPS gaming on consoles - as long as it can do low framerate compensation, and people understand that if the minimum refresh rate is 40Hz, you need a 40-100Hz display for that, not 40-60Hz. (LFC requires maximum refresh rate to be ≥2.5x minimum)
Hopefully OLEDs will be able to support native refresh rates down to at least 24Hz if not lower - which would reduce that requirement to 24-60Hz, while LCD panels can't really go any lower than 30-40Hz before needing to refresh.
PC gamers ? People that game on Monitors instead of TV. It is a nice feature to have, it won't get many customers from this , but it also interesting because this feature will be expected to be standard from now on and will probably benefit console gamers when ps5/XB2 release.
i think launching mid gen is better than late into the gen, considering this gen will last 6 years. Why would i buy an updated console if next gen is only 2 years away?
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
Thank you MS. Now bring on the TVs, this is awesome.
No way is a new gen 2 years away.
no new gen end of 2019? Why not? 2019/2020 makes the most sense.