Why on earth do you think this gen will only last 6 years... Microsoft did 8 last gen... No reason to believe especially with this mid gen console it will be any shorter this time around
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Why on earth do you think this gen will only last 6 years... Microsoft did 8 last gen... No reason to believe especially with this mid gen console it will be any shorter this time around
Sony is still selling like gangbusters. The only way it's 2019 or even 2020 is if they go generationless. Or if the sales fall off a cliff.
I mean the Pro just came out less then a year ago. All these threads with people waiting on the PS5 will be waiting...
Because last gen cratered right after the 6 year mark and was primarily the reason why most outlets were saying consoles were dead or dying.
Publishers and developers don't want that kind of stagnation again.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-07-10-square-enix-current-generation-has-been-way-too-long
But they aren't getting it. Pro is still new and Scorpio isn't even out yet.
I think it's rather likely that there will be new hardware from Sony holiday 2019.
Whether it's PS5 or the PS4 Super-pro with Zen/Vega or something, I don't know.
PS4 will also be cheap as chips by then and the new console will be backwards-compatible.
Pro will be 3 years old by the time holiday 2019 comes around, that's when i've been expecting PS5 since before PS4 launched. It was called a mid gen refresh for a reason.
If someone gets mad about that, its their fault for buying a pro.
lol "publishers" your link is talking about one publisher, 5 years ago. and this square-enix.. the company that announced FF XV 2006 and released it TEN YEARS later in 2016...
wesleyshark
Banned
I don't get the anger or frustration over buying something that gets lapped by new technologies. There will always be something better coming. You just need to decide when to jump in.
FF15 was not FF15 then and most of that time was not in development. Also...
Ubisoft
http://kotaku.com/5963024/ubisoft-b...le-generation-doesnt-last-as-long-as-this-one
EA
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/...ects-shorter-cycle-for-next-gen-consoles.aspx
http://67.227.255.239/forum/showthread.php?t=724642
There are many other publishers besides these who talked about wanting shorter generations as well near the end. If you want more links i can provide them.
dunno, it is my opinion. It may be 6 years, it might be 10. Who knows so far gens have been usually 6 years long, previous one was too long and it was 8 years, many agree on that, so i can see it being 6-7 years. It will probably depend on new cpu/gpu tech availability, so that may delay it a bit if not ready.
I struggle to see a reason why a generation has to be longer than 6 freaking years.
The hardware of any console is going to be old hat a year after it hits shelves. That's just the world we live in.
I understand the desire of long-term support but six years in tech is a long, long time.
The hardware of any console is going to be old hat a year after it hits shelves. That's just the world we live in.
I understand the desire of long-term support but six years in tech is a long, long time.
Don't think so, that would piss off Pro owners, new console just after ~2 year cycle? Nah, its wishful thinking.
Not if the box is still selling and they just had a refresh. I mean don't get me wrong I prefer shorter life cycles and I'm fully on-board with the generationless angle.
3 years, and again, Pro owners knew what they were getting into with an iterative unit tied to the numbered base unit. Sony doesn't have to play ball with them on that level having explained time and again that Pro is a better PS4 and nothing more than that.
You could make the same argument about pro after buying a PS4 3 years into the gen.
in fact if sales of these upgrades were significant, about 50% of SKUs it maybe could make sense to wait a little longer, but if they stay in the 10/15% ratio that are selling now, next gen will come as soon as tech is there and affordable
it would piss off Scorpio owners more if that was the case.
Anyway i am sure most people that buy this midgen upgrades know what they are buying, but no matter how, PS4Pro owners will have had more time to enjoy the console when next gen launches.
What would the new gen even be based on technology wise? The time where a new gen clearly superseded the previous gen multiple fold in performance is over (and that's not even including the effect of diminishing returns that happens on top of it). More regular refreshes are the best way of keeping track with the smaller advancement in performance and features while keeping cost and expectations in check.
You realize that the PS4 Pro launched in october 2016, right? It'd be 3+ years.
It's a mid-gen upgrade at the same entry price of the original PS4 in 2013.
If pro owners are sad about spending the same entry price for a console with double the power, then that's on them. It's ridiculous. If PS4 Pro were 599$ then you'd maybe have a point.
See I kind of think the next refresh will be 2020. That's 3-4 years. Guess it depends on how hamstrung the pro/scorpio are by their cpus and how the development of VR plays out.
Navi+ and Zen alone will destroy what PS4 and XB1 base can do, let alone the introduction of HBM3 bandwidth many times higher than what GDDR5 can provide on a lower nanometer process.
If your asking what technologies are still out there to be exploited, there's tons.
The fact that Pro and Scorpio are still hamstrung by components in their base units(Pro more so)proves by itself that they are only iterative machines built for maximizing the potential of software on the base machines.
I don't think you can, as your library and saves transfer over, Sony are in a comfortable place they risk losing everything at the start of a new gen (just like all manufacturers) so I'd think they'd want to ride this gen out as much as they can. They stated they absolutely believe in generations unlike MS, so there isn't much overlap to ease that move, 6 year lifecycle with PS4, Pro and VR which then becomes redundant seems like a good way to lose consumer confidence and generate anger. Seems likely they'll stick to minimum 7/8 years imo.
TheOfficeMut
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Agreed.
If a new Playstation console could be released every year that supported previous titles, I'd be for it, assuming it was viable and successful. I think people are far too concerned about the idea of being left behind or this notion that because a new console comes out that their experience with the older console will somehow be worse. I also don't buy into the idea that developers will botch the same game on an older console. No one who gives a shit about their work is going to purposely make their product worse just to make the game on a newer console more appealing.
You people choose to buy what you buy. Stop being so concerned about a newer and better technology. Every year your technology gets lapped. Accept it.
Next console won't be out until 2021+
They need any new tech to be cheaper and matured. Not only that Sony still has so many games to release before a new console comes and leaves all current PS4 user base behind. I'm sure they want at least 2-3 god of war games, gt7, and more and with the current lineup schedule a 2019 or 2020 release won't allow them to release all in time before a new system
They need any new tech to be cheaper and matured. Not only that Sony still has so many games to release before a new console comes and leaves all current PS4 user base behind. I'm sure they want at least 2-3 god of war games, gt7, and more and with the current lineup schedule a 2019 or 2020 release won't allow them to release all in time before a new system
If a PS5 were to launch in 2019, it would certainly be backwards compatible and it wouldn't mean the PS4 loses support right away.
This narrative you paint doesn't really exist. When you were six years deep in the PS3/360 generation, were you actively clamoring for three more years of the same hardware? I certainly wasn't. I'm not looking for a bi-yearly refresh here, but six years already makes any kind of hardware extremely long in the tooth.
This is complete nonsense.
I am sure that both sony and ms look at what the other one does, and i hope sony learns, and makes BC compatibility available, it is quite important in this era, and it is important to keep customers locked with their ecosystem. It should be easier to do being x86, sure zen can emulate jags
Unless you want costs to explode these still won't result in an increase in performance like the previous gens were showing before the current one. And if increase in performance is the main selling point of switching to a new incompatible gen you are in big troubles.
Esp with more and more people going digital. Their library better carry over.
But are they? whats to stop Sony and MS from saying in 18 months 'devs you can make pro/scorpio exclusive games if you ask us nicely'?
Yeah but realistically what can Sony put in a PS5 that would make it truly a next gen machine? They will have to R&D next year and have the SoC done by the end of 2018 to be ready to launch the device in 2019 at a reasonable price. It makes so much more sense to wait a few years so they can truly make it a next gen machine.
Their promise? What's to stop them from doing anything.
Who says prioritizing BC would not solve the library and saves issue?
What Dev would want to?
yes, i see it being one of the reasons going x86, and one of the reasons pro is quite conservative. I am sure they have been working on some kind of emulation or solution to have available when next gen launches.
It is much more important this gen than previous ones,with such a focus on digital, especially if they can provide extra visual boost to old games
This is a silly argument. There are CPU/GPU architectures coming out right now that blow the current PS4P/Scorpio completely out of the water that won't break backwards compatibility like Cell did with the PS3.
In two years? We'll have progressed even further and prices will have stabilized with even newer architectures entering the market. It's a never ending cycle.
And ofcouse, you could wait 10+ years and shoot even higher, but then you'd be better off never releasing another iteration of the Playstation or Xbox ever again. Designing a console is always about hitting a moving target.
But there is zero doubt that a SoC of a late-2019 machine will blow everything from the current generation away. And that's just common sense.
Lol, are we genuinely marking generations by their power multiplier now?
Costs won't explode just because there are new technologies on the horizon. Zen has 3 years to mature into a semi custom form factor, so too does HBM and AMD's GPU architecture.
What developer would want such a thing when there is no benefit?
To begin with BC and ecosystem carry over is more important to userbase retention than these iterative machines, and secondly, the PS4 Pro is configured in a way that it would not gain anything to use it as a base for games. The bandwidth is too low, the CPU is too weak and the GPU is too bottlenecked by the other components.
Its entire purpose is higher resolutions and better graphical fidelity of the base PS4 as we've already seen.
this will always be the case if we have mid gen refreshes. If a console launches every 3 years instead of every 6, the jump will be less noticeable.
Jaguar Victory
Member
You've been the only one on topic all page. LOL
No, No 2.1 monitors yet. Scorpio isn't out yet either though so there is time.
You are thinking of it as a PC gamer man. In the console space these things have to be done at least a year ahead of time and at a reasonable price at launch. Anything over $400 or $500 is just not doable. What kind of GPU/CPU do you think sony can have ready at the end of next year to launch in 2019 at $399?
^ You do realize Jaguar came out the year PS4 launched right? If Lisa su says semi custom(aka console) zen is being worked on for 2018 and 2019, she specifically means consoles.
Its a good thing Sony would not be looking at Scorpio and Pro as a barometer right? Instead they would be looking at the jump from PS4 to PS5. I can bet you right now that in Sony's discussions with their next console, they are not weighting it against what the Pro's GPU can do.
Pro and Scorpio's scale in the power race does not count to Sony's numbered unit designation because they still consider generations a thing. PS5 taking full advantage of software means more to them than Pro being supported, and if they prioritize BC, they don't have to care about it entirely
Its a good thing Sony would not be looking at Scorpio and Pro as a barometer right? Instead they would be looking at the jump from PS4 to PS5. I can bet you right now that in Sony's discussions with their next console, they are not weighting it against what the Pro's GPU can do.
Pro and Scorpio's scale in the power race does not count to Sony's numbered unit designation because they still consider generations a thing. PS5 taking full advantage of software means more to them than Pro being supported, and if they prioritize BC, they don't have to care about it entirely
You won't see a huge increase in performance unless you also increase the quantity and/or power consumption/heat dissipation of it. Zen is an improvement of 52% over Bulldozer, and that's actually a lot in that space nowadays. PS4 Pro is already including AMD's current top GPU in RX480. Scorpio is already bound to include AMD's upcoming top GPU in Vega. Where would the clear increase of performance in a totally new gen come from if above GPU upgrades are considered merely adequate for refreshes?
link1201
Member
Thanks for answering their question. I was curious about that too. I have a bit of research to do before Scorpio arrives.
CrimsonEclipse
Member
Missed a couple of pages and looking at this last page all I see is PS4 or PS4 pro/PS5 being mentioned in a thread where the focus is about Scropio specific features. SMH, you guys can't help yourselves​ huh?
No monitors with HDMI 2.1, those may see a release or two by end of the year, but next year is when we will see them come out.
There 4K Freesync monitors out there, but again no HDMI 2.1.
No monitors with HDMI 2.1, those may see a release or two by end of the year, but next year is when we will see them come out.
There 4K Freesync monitors out there, but again no HDMI 2.1.
Nah you missed the news PS5 releases next week
VincentMatts
Member
They be worried
I Stalk Alone
Member
I would use the plane in the sunset.gif but It's not like it will improve my sex life. That being said, I am extremely interested. Although, if it could run windows it would be better.
so, any freesync ips 144 hz with strobing yet for under at 27 inch and 1440p at 21:9?
so, any freesync ips 144 hz with strobing yet for under at 27 inch and 1440p at 21:9?
shanafan
Member
Thanks fellas. I have a 4K FreeSync monitor with a 4K/60Hz HDMI input, but it's just 2.0. Thanks for letting me know. I checked Amazon, and couldn't find anything HDMI 2.1.