I presume recore will get the dlc announced this week.
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Microsoft Studios (& Partners) Current and Future Landscape
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I presume recore will get the dlc announced this week.
Triggerhappytel
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Man, I was really prepared to give Phil the benefit of the doubt and I honestly expected them to come out swinging to show Scorpio in the best light possible, but their first-party line up is really half-hearted right now. He's done a shitty job of leading the division, when the most important thing should be games. BC & refunds & Game Pass and so on are fantastic initiatives which shame Sony & Nintendo by comparison, but he's completely lacking in what should be the most crucial aspect of any console.
TheUnsunghero26
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I hope so! Would make for a decent "available now" announcement.
ToyMachine228
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It's pretty obvious that Microsoft is scared of announcing games too early in their development only to see them canceled. It's happened to them frequently this generation;
- Fable Legends
- Phantom Dust reboot
- Ion from Dean Hall
- Scalebound
I understand the desire to be more selective with their announcements and so on, but they be able to at least make a few commitments with something such as a CG trailer. There's obviously more going on than they're announcing. We could all argue that's a mistake but that's not really what this thread is for.
Within the next year I think we will see;
- Halo 6 from 343
- A new IP from The Coalition.
- Studio Gobo's game. This is the one that I'm surprised we didn't see announced at E3.
- Fable Legends
- Phantom Dust reboot
- Ion from Dean Hall
- Scalebound
I understand the desire to be more selective with their announcements and so on, but they be able to at least make a few commitments with something such as a CG trailer. There's obviously more going on than they're announcing. We could all argue that's a mistake but that's not really what this thread is for.
Within the next year I think we will see;
- Halo 6 from 343
- A new IP from The Coalition.
- Studio Gobo's game. This is the one that I'm surprised we didn't see announced at E3.
Steverulez
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The coalition are named as such to make Gears, you're going to be disappointed if you're expecting a new ip from them.
Also concern about announcing new games too early is fine, the question is, why do they have a whole 3 new titles for the entirety of 2017?
Halo Wars 2, Crackdown 3 and Forza 7 are nice games but as an entire line-up from a platform holder that is really really shit
MosquitoSmasher
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People keep forgetting the Mario 3D Worldish platformer? I could swear it's releasing this year?
Discouraging showing at E3 this year... This isn't good enough, Xbox.
Neither is Cuphead @Strootman
Edit: And goddamn... If they actually spent money on Super Lucky's Tale instead of investing in Banjo-Kazooie then that's just ridiculous.
That's not a first party game. Unless there is some weird deal going on that I'm not aware of?
Neither is Cuphead @Strootman
Edit: And goddamn... If they actually spent money on Super Lucky's Tale instead of investing in Banjo-Kazooie then that's just ridiculous.
Novel Mike
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Yeah thats the thing, I didn't expect them to have much with as much as they've canceled but I really didn't see that they didn't really have anything to announce coming.
While the Xbox Game Pass and BC are cool features it is now starting to reek of desperation as they are struggling to compete against Sony. Now with Nintendo on the rise I'm starting to wonder if Microsoft could actually end this generation in third place which I didn't think was possible at the start.
Horizon 4, Halo 6 and Gears 2 UE, probably.
The problem is that Rare are Microsoft's only studio in a position to create new IP. I honestly do not understand how Microsoft expect to avoid stagnation in an industry where new ideas and concepts are so important without having at least one studio venturing into new territory for them. Getting rid of teams such as Lionhead and Ensemble was a mistake, as was closing teams like Microsoft Victoria before they even had a chance to produce something.
Unlike Mario, Zelda, or even Minecraft, Halo and Gears do not have the creative scope to be assured of long-term survival in this industry. And at least Nintendo are putting out experimental games like ARMS and Splatoon.
Unlike Mario, Zelda, or even Minecraft, Halo and Gears do not have the creative scope to be assured of long-term survival in this industry. And at least Nintendo are putting out experimental games like ARMS and Splatoon.
digoutyoursoul
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They are not the only first party to cancel games, the notion they are fearful of announcing games too early now does more harm than good imo. Look at Sony with PS3, Eight Days, The Getaway, Eyedentify etc even the 360 had exclusive games pulled like Frame City Killer.
I suspect one of the reasons Scalebounds cancellation got so much attention was because they didn't have a lot confirmed for future release from a first party perspective which was already getting scrutinised. Before yesterday the media were saying how important it was for Phil to bring it first party wise and did they? Will the bigger media call him out on it? I'd be surprised.
Banjo-Kazooie
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Semi-good news is that the finally will have some exclusives in the pre-season (spring) next year. State of Decay 2 and Sea of Thieves. The I'm *guessing* Halo 6 and Forza Horizon 4 in fall? Not lighting the world on fire but I guess better than this year lol
They are publishing it, so ya they are at least spending money on publishing duties
Rare are only making a new IP because they don't have one, once Sea of Thieves launches that is probably all they will make for the foreseeable future, the same way all Xbox studios focus on one series.
Super Lucky's Tale was probably cheaper and a lot further in development.
jesus christ
MosquitoSmasher
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Isn't it the Studio Gobo game? Wouldn't surprise me. But it's exclusive though, isn't it?
MS always had at least one
Titanfall, Quantum Break, Halo Wars 2, Ori
I'd bet its a deal like Dead Rising 4
They are publishing, but its timed
Because Both Fable Legends and Scalebound got cancelled.. Im not defending them, they don't have that many studios already, but when those games were having trouble in their development, it did leave a hole on the lineup. Regardless let's see how Crackdown 3 actually ends up being, and Forza 7 looks stunning anyway.
Also I actually don't see the value for a franchise like Gears of War at all. How did GoW 4 do? Because there is no reason to restrict a talentet studio in making expensive games that don't do that well, when the platform really needs some big hitters.
Yearsoflurking
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microsoft needs to either step up in the exclusive (console) category or leave the field. this sustainability crap brings nothing. we need a total reinvestment hopefully gamepass/mixer helps them
GHG
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The subtle hint was for the free rare replay we all got.
? I think its possible
This year we got forza 7 and ori 2.
HighResTomato
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After this E3 your fear might be justified.
Fuck MS their hype machine, all year they kept silent talking about not having enough time at E3 to show ALL these great games.
Let down off the year, Spencer, Major, Albert, Shannon are all just hype masters. Credit to Ken for reviving Killer Instinct tho.
Nightengale
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My annual Xbox first-party (+ lifetime/major 3rd-party timed exclusive) chart that looks specifically at the announcement line-ups, updated with the latest E3 announcements.
Xbox FP 2017 in summary? The emperor has no clothes.
Xbox FP 2017 in summary? The emperor has no clothes.
But they did show a plethora of games, did we watch the same conference?
Duxxy3
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I doubt we'll get Gears 5 next year. So just horizon 4 and Halo 6. Still, that's much better than what we're getting this year.
My annual Xbox first-party (+ lifetime/major 3rd-party timed exclusive) chart that looks specifically at the announcement line-ups, updated with the latest E3 announcements.
Xbox FP 2017 in summary? The emperor has no clothes.
Good god...
Nightengale
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Rare can be happy if Microsoft keeps paying their bills once Sea of Thieves flops. Sea of Thieves had a 4-year dev cycle when it launches, and there's no way it will make back its money given the current Xbox user base.
In addition to Forza, Halo, GoW titles, Microsoft seems to focus on buying indie games, or paying money to indie studios for temporary exclusivity.
Yes I did, and they guy I quoted didn't have those criterias you listed. For all that's evident, the Xbox One platform will have great 3rd party support, with a lot of them releasing first on Xbox one.
I would've accepted 'Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing' but that's just as good.My annual Xbox first-party (+ lifetime/major 3rd-party timed exclusive) chart that looks specifically at the announcement line-ups, updated with the latest E3 announcements.
Xbox FP 2017 in summary? The emperor has no clothes.
Kidding aside, cheers on keeping that chart updated.
They also have announced Super Lucky Tale but as you know that it isn't a port. So strange why you didn't include it.
The comment around Phil reworking it still means he has to go to Sataya and if he isn't willing to spend. Then its about restructuring first party that they currently have so 343i, Turn 10 and The Coalition works on more than one IP. Which seems to be where it is heading.
The Coalition was formed when going back to its original name of ZipLine Games was formed February 2010 and before we saw anything was e3 2013 and that was briefest of a game? So even if Phil got Sataya down to invest at the same time of X and S hardware projects and they have been moving and creating incubation studios to form the basis of new studios ... we are talking what from 2015 we wouldn't hear about them till 2018 and possibly add an extra 2 years on top of that.
1st party were virtually absent this year. Super disappointing that they relied heavily on 3rd party reveals and timed exclusive. Despite the awesome hardware they need to bring the software for their platform only.
I just hope that they are working on new things and we won't get just Halo 6 and Gears 5 next year. Why can't they make their first party into 2 project studios? That way they can work on new things.
I just hope that they are working on new things and we won't get just Halo 6 and Gears 5 next year. Why can't they make their first party into 2 project studios? That way they can work on new things.
Yearsoflurking
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i assume halo will either be announced at game awarss or something else. seems obvious microsoft game studios funding is at an all time low
all signs point to there wont be something besides them..
As a xbox gamer this table hurts a bit. I was really happy with their output in the first 2-3 years
This years fall games are Forza 7 and Crackdown 3. There's no guarantee there's going to be more than FH4 and H6 next year
I don't think you'll see Horizon next year, they have expanded to two teams and gone multi platform and it's too soon for FH4.
I doubt Gears will be showing anything but a tease for a different game in the universe at best, I think that IP is on the downwards spiral anyway.
Halo 6 Destiny is a given. Maybe another Rare IP but I don't expect anything more than that. You will probably see expansions for State of Decay, Sea of Thieves, Forza 7 to fill the gaps.
I doubt Gears will be showing anything but a tease for a different game in the universe at best, I think that IP is on the downwards spiral anyway.
Halo 6 Destiny is a given. Maybe another Rare IP but I don't expect anything more than that. You will probably see expansions for State of Decay, Sea of Thieves, Forza 7 to fill the gaps.
Billy_Pilgrim
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I don't understand why they're doubling down on gaming trends that were going stale when the last console launched.
This gen has seen a huge revival of classic genres, Japanese devs have got their act together and have been selling games by the bucketload, space marine games have flopped and nobody cares about zombies anymore.
They've had so long to put together studios that cater to the new realities of HD gaming. Even Nintendo seem to be less cloth eared.
This gen has seen a huge revival of classic genres, Japanese devs have got their act together and have been selling games by the bucketload, space marine games have flopped and nobody cares about zombies anymore.
They've had so long to put together studios that cater to the new realities of HD gaming. Even Nintendo seem to be less cloth eared.
True.
Nah. Super Lucky's Tale is being made by Playful Corp. Studio Gobo's game hasn't been revealed yet.
Yeah. I have a feeling we already know next year's entire lineup. Maybe Studio Gobo's game will make it, but it'll probably come out in early 2019...
It is not timed.
GHG
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My annual Xbox first-party (+ lifetime/major 3rd-party timed exclusive) chart that looks specifically at the announcement line-ups, updated with the latest E3 announcements.
Xbox FP 2017 in summary? The emperor has no clothes.
No new IP's 2 years in a row. FFS Microsoft, what are you even doing anymore?
Somebody should tweet this chart to Phil.
I wish.
Well, Kinect would add dozens of lifetime exclusives to those lists.. you could dismiss them, but that's not really fair.
There was also a lot of XBLA exclusive support during those years which I recall was often overlooked.
Rare have more IP than the rest of Microsoft's studios combined.
Btw, can anyone tell me what happened to Killer Instinct, is it still active?