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PoliGAF 2017 |OT4| The leaks are coming from inside the white house

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Diablos

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Wtf so if they get their PP funding then it's suddenly ok to forget about your precious Medicaid dollars, Collins? The fuck?
 

Zolo

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Wonder how that'll go since Trump seems less liked in the Senate than the House. I feel threats to campaign against senators also won't work as well since they'll be elected at the same time he's in election mode himself.
 
Trump has never helped a situation once. I'm pretty sure the only reason the house bill happened was because of future-temporary-President Pence.
 
I totally forgot if Collins and Murkowksi put the amendment to a vote, the Democrats can vote for it, and possibly have it added to the bill.

Would they risk it?

Also for anyone who thinks Trump matters, from CNN
People close to McConnell are very unhappy about the Trump super PAC targeting (or threatening to target) GOP senators like Nevada's Dean Heller over health care.

"Doesn't help. Probably hurt. Seems pointless," a source close to GOP leadership said. The concern is that it actually has the opposite effect -- hardening opposition to the bill that already exists. "The conference needs space to get to 'yes' this week," the source said. "This is the opposite of that."
 

PBY

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Soooo

the vote is delayed

they're all circling up today

murkowski and collins seem like they're no, but open ... given PP concessions..


I don't like this tbh
 

jtb

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I don't mind Warren, or other Dems, throwing Obama under the bus at this point re: ACA because he's not going to be on the ballot anymore. Progress means looking forward, not backwards.

The political capital/will for single payer didn't exist in 2008. It does now, in large part because of the ACA.

also I find the endless Benjamin Wittes striptease to be so utterly dull and self-serving. zzzzz
 

Daria

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This is very similar to how the house bill went.

And like that, it will also pass.

if this is the case, how much of DT's base is getting shafted before the 2018 midterms? Best case for GOP is the counties affected are mostly blue and they keep their majority going into 2019 but it doesn't seem likely.
 

PBY

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I don't mind Warren, or other Dems, throwing Obama under the bus at this point re: ACA because he's not going to be on the ballot anymore. Progress means looking forward, not backwards.

The political capital/will for single payer didn't exist in 2008. It does now, in large part because of the ACA.

I don't think she threw him under the bus, she was just stating fact. Before, Obama basically said what you noted above, that we might need the ACA to introduce more sweeping reform.
 
I totally forgot if Collins and Murkowksi put the amendment to a vote, the Democrats can vote for it, and possibly have it added to the bill.

Would they risk it?

Also for anyone who thinks Trump matters, from CNN
I was just thinking that. If all 48 Democrats voted for the amendment, would it be able to pass? Could they find a third Republican to put it at 51? Would the Democrats do that?
 

smokeymicpot

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I don't mind Warren, or other Dems, throwing Obama under the bus at this point re: ACA because he's not going to be on the ballot anymore. Progress means looking forward, not backwards.

The political capital/will for single payer didn't exist in 2008. It does now, in large part because of the ACA.

also I find the endless Benjamin Wittes striptease to be so utterly dull and self-serving. zzzzz

Wittles thing came to halt once the CBO came out. Probably didn't want to distract.
 

kirblar

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I don't mind Warren, or other Dems, throwing Obama under the bus at this point re: ACA because he's not going to be on the ballot anymore. Progress means looking forward, not backwards.

The political capital/will for single payer didn't exist in 2008. It does now, in large part because of the ACA.

also I find the endless Benjamin Wittes striptease to be so utterly dull and self-serving. zzzzz
It still doesn't exist in 2016, it's just popular w/ the base.
 
Soooo

the vote is delayed

they're all circling up today

murkowski and collins seem like they're no, but open ... given PP concessions..


I don't like this tbh

Really?

- So now it's obvious Murkowski is a no, when we had no idea before
- the PP is never ever ever ever being added to the bill and if it some how accidentally got added the bill, the bill dies 98-2 in a vote.
- If her and Collins are a no without PP funding + Heller, the bill is dead
- Delaying the vote is bad for McConnell. Now senators get an entire week bonanza of bad press and angry constituents. It was said by basically the entire senate that pushing this to after the recess was a death sentence for the bill, and nothing has changed there. They were working fast for a reason.
- McConnell isn't paying attention to a few senator's requests, implying maybe he doesn't actually care that much
 
Everyone who was convinced that this was all political theater to get the vote done this week should take at least a little L. Just a little one.
 

PBY

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Really?

- So now it's obvious Murkowski is a no, when we had no idea before
- the PP is never ever ever ever being added to the bill and if it some how accidentally got added the bill, the bill dies 98-2 in a vote.
- If her and Collins are a no without PP funding + Heller, the bill is dead
- Delaying the vote is bad for McConnell. Now senators get an entire week bonanza of bad press and angry constituents. It was said by basically the entire senate that pushing this to after the recess was a death sentence for the bill, and nothing has changed there
- McConnell isn't paying attention to a few senator's requests, implying maybe he doesn't actually care that much

You're waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too optimistic.
 

jtb

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It still doesn't exist in 2016, it's just popular w/ the base.

I think you can put it on the ballot in 2020 and win. So much of the resistance to the ACA has been constructed around the counterfactual of the hypothetical utopian Republican free market plan that, lo and behold, is fucking terrible.

So, run on single payer, win everything, then pass a public option ;)
 
Everyone who was convinced that this was all political theater to get the vote done this week should take at least a little L. Just a little one.
Yeah, it could certainly still pass after the recess so we mustn't let our guard down, but this could harden opposition by letting the CBO score simmer and senators have to deal with outrage from their constituents.
 
No vote this week is a small victory. At least now we'll get a chance to scream at our senators in person for a week or two before they sign millions off to die.
 
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