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[Guess Who]

like, folks, there's plenty of shit apple does that's worth clowning on (and if they price an iphone at $1500, that will absolutely be one of them), but in terms of performance the A* series SoCs is absolutely embarrassing the rest of the industry and is rapidly approaching intel-tier

 

[Mr.Shrugglesツ]

Are you guys fighting over cell phones in here?

Cell phone Pros.

 

[QuantumZebra]

What a thread. A combination of people who think that spending they are the more rational ones spending $1,000 on a phone because they have some deep understanding of it's value oppose to those who refuse to pay that much.

Then we have to dude who is championing specs over actual performance because he has a fucking persecution complex about his phone choice and has never read one technical iPhone review from Anandtech in his life.

This is what I mean.

Apple fan kids are so venomous that they are bringing up persecution complexes to defend their beloved overpriced devices.

Face it. Samsung phones are clearly better in every category but one, and only because of their higher resolution and increased screen size do they (barely) lose out there.

Pretty sad.

 

[Deleted member 22576]

What a thread. A combination of people who think that spending they are the more rational ones spending $1,000 on a phone because they have some deep understanding of it's value oppose to those who refuse to pay that much.

Then we have to dude who is championing specs over actual performance because he has a fucking persecution complex about his phone choice and has never read one technical iPhone review from Anandtech in his life.

It's the best! It's some old school ass 2008 phone wars. Phones have been boring for so long.

 

[giga]

This is what I mean.

Apple fan kids are so venomous that they are bringing up persecution complexes to defend their beloved overpriced devices.

Face it. Samsung phones are clearly better in every category but one, and only because of their higher resolution and increased screen size do they (barely) lose out there.

Pretty sad.

Hey lover. Rekon doesn't buy iPhones.

 

[McLovin]

The only way I could justify that purchase is if it was made of different material. Like really indestructible glass, and a carbon fiber/metal casing that wont scratch or bend. Crazy storage and a way better battery. Maybe some cool experimental feature that isn't suppose to be out after a few more iterations.

 

[Instro]

I'd be impressed if any manufacturer could justify that price. The markups are insane already.

 

[Username1198]

1,500$ gtfo

 

[QuantumZebra]

I could see $1200. But $1500 just seems ridiculous, a oled screen can't just double the price of a phone. I know Apple would do it though. Then people will act like it's some new amazing thing.

Apple worship is cult-like, as can be seen here.

The guy saying only poor people don't buy Apple and they hate Apple owners for it was the best IMO.

Hey lover. Rekon doesn't buy iPhones.

He should. He talks like he wears a cape with an Apple logo on it.

 

[reKon]

This is what I mean.

Apple fan kids are so venomous that they are bringing up persecution complexes to defend their beloved overpriced devices.

Face it. Samsung phones are clearly better in every category but one, and only because of their higher resolution and increased screen size to they (barely) lose out there.

Pretty sad.

I've never owned an iPhone in my life. You need to learn read because I've already explained to you that I own an S7 Edge and explained/outlined some actual truths rather than your non-sense.

I've provided receipts (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNlc3hAe6i8) and you provided a link to a non-in depth tech web site. I've given referred you to actual web sites that would explain why you are wrong about everything you've ran off on about actual device performance.

 

[Theonik]

Douchey 1%er Apple fanboy mentality on full display in this thread. God damn.

 

[AlexFlame116]

...you know, after I posted my comment I went and thought about it and after coming back and reading all the new posts, I realized that I'm just happy that I have a phone. Yeah it might not be the latest in tech nowadays and there's some ghosting on it, but it's still my phone.

 

[QuantumZebra]

I've never owned an iPhone in my life. You need to learn read because I've already explained to you that I own an S7 Edge and explained outlined some actual truths rather than your non-sense.

I've provided receipts (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNlc3hAe6i8) and you provided a link to a non-in depth tech web site. I've given referred you to actual web sites that would explain why you are wrong about everything you've ran off on about actual device performance.

I've linked to articles stating that the S7 has twice the battery life, RAM, IP67 vs 68, a vastly superior screen, and (adjusted for said superior screen) better performance than the IP7.

You went berserk and started defending Apple like a scene out of 300.

Harping only on performance because that's the only place the iPhone 7 isn't demolished, mind you. And the S8 is the real competitor for it.

Maybe you should switch phones?

 

[Deleted member 22576]

I mean if it's 1500$ we better get some premium braided cables... even if it's an inductive charger there still is gonna be a cable somewhere. Will be keeping my eyes out for that kind of stuff. They can't give us a plastic coated white cable? It's gotta be some ill steel braided shit.

There's a lot of niceties that could be accounted for with a big price.

 

[njean777]

I would never pay that much for a phone. I like apple but even I know when it isn't worth it.

 

[enzo_gt]

Clicked the thread expecting some sort of report or rumour, got some wildly speculative op-ed about a guy wanting a premium premium smartphone because he wants it. Okay then.

 

[gamma]

I'll ignore your rude shitpost Apple white knighting and address reality.

The S7 clowns the iPhone in RAM, screen, has x2 the battery life, higher water resistance, etc.

Pure performance? Ignoring adjusting for screen size and resolution must be nice.

BRB gonna compare Nvidia vs AMD chipset with the AMD running over x2 the resolution on a bigger screen.



This is why I avoid Apple threads. People will ignore every aspect of the phones except for one benchmark that isn't even equal. It's like putting a Subaru on the line against a muscle car and saying the muscle car is clearly better because of that one benchmark, when the Subaru has an engine half the size in order to so better in other areas.

One does everything well, the other beats it in exactly one area, and it's not even a fair comparison... but somehow that one area supersedes everything else.

You're bordering on mental illness.

Current iPhones cost maybe $200 to make? Slapping an oled display won't make much of a difference. $1500 is fucking highway robbery.

Looking only at component costs is not how it works friend. Go educate yourself before spewing such nonsense around.

 

[DECK'ARD]

I mean if it's 1500$ we better get some premium braided cables... even if it's an inductive charger there still is gonna be a cable somewhere. Will be keeping my eyes out for that kind of stuff. They can't give us a plastic coated white cable? It's gotta be some ill steel braided shit.

There's a lot of niceties that could be accounted for with a big price.

Apple cables are a mystery to me. It's like they listen to shit music and self-harm when you aren't looking.

 

[kmfdmpig]

Pricing so high, I suspect, would lead many people to upgrade less often, which could be a bad move for Apple. Even if the economics paid off in the short term, I think that now they're just affordable enough that many people will keep upgrading ever 2-3 years (even as the gains for doing so are less and less perceptible each generation). With prices over $1000 I think we'll start to see people hold onto their phones for another year or two as the speeds and camera quality, two of the main reasons to upgrade are going to feel "good enough" for most people.

 

[Poor GRIMES]

A damn opinion piece about some dude's wishes is getting all the Apple haters worked up like this.

They can't be bothered to read, just looking for another excuse as to why they own a phone that they clearly feel insecure about, for some reason.

 

[Theonik]

Pricing so high, I suspect, would lead many people to upgrade less often, which could be a bad move for Apple. Even if the economics paid off in the short term, I think that now they're just affordable enough that many people will keep upgrading ever 2-3 years (even as the gains for doing so are less and less perceptible each generation). With prices over $1000 I think we'll start to see people hold onto their phones for another year or two as the speeds and camera quality, two of the main reasons to upgrade are going to feel "good enough" for most people.

Well the idea is to keep making cheaper upgrades but introduce more high-end options to try and extract as much value as they can from people that are willing to pay more. This is kind of a market experiment if it works out it's more money for apple. If it fails they'll just kill it.

 

[reKon]

I've linked to articles stating that the S7 has twice the battery life, RAM, IP67 vs 68, a vastly superior screen, and (adjusted for said superior screen) better performance than the IP7.

You went berserk and started defending Apple like a scene out of 300.

Harping only on performance because that's the only place the iPhone 7 isn't demolished, mind you. And the S8 is the real competitor for it.

Maybe you should switch phones?

I call out bullshit when I see it tech things interest me so I have no problem doing that. I'm not here to argue features. The features, my preference for Android over iOS and, and the nice hardware are the reasons I chose the S7 Edge (Exynos). It's the best phone I've owned mainly because of the design, battery life, and camera. The problem with you is you think that me calling you on how false statements is proof that I run around as a fanboy warrior for Apple. Like I've said, I just call out bullshit. The website you doesn't provide good in depth reviews.

Though the battery on the S7 series tends to be better (there are so many things that can cause this statement to go either way, but I'm not going get into it), it does not have twice the battery life (see:http://www.gsmarena.com/battery-test.php3 for relative comparisons). 4 GB is ram is basically meaning less for Samsung phones, especially on the snapdragon variant. They have not optimized their RAM management system and there are mid range phones that hold more in storage than Samsung flagships. Also, the iPhone performs better than all those phones anyways. In fact the ONLY android phone that can compete with the iPhone in real world performance is the One Plus 5 and it has 8 GB RAM.

If you keep wanting to live in your fantasy about spec's vs real world performance then go ahead, but you will be shut down if you project all these falsehoods on people who actually follow tech.

 

[VoxPop]

I call out bullshit when I see it tech things interest me so I have no problem doing that. I'm not here to argue features. The features, my preference for Android over iOS and, and the nice hardware are the reasons I chose the S7 Edge (Exynos). It's the best phone I've owned mainly because of the design, battery life, and camera. The problem with you is you think that me calling you on how false statements is proof that I run around as a fanboy warrior for Apple. Like I've said, I just call out bullshit. The website you doesn't provide good in depth reviews.

Though the battery on the S7 series tends to be better (there are so many things that can cause this statement to go either way, but I'm not going get into it), it does not have twice the battery life (see:http://www.gsmarena.com/battery-test.php3 for relative comparisons). 4 GB is ram is basically meaning less for Samsung phones, especially on the snapdragon variant. They have not optimized their RAM management system and there are mid range phones that hold more in storage than Samsung flagships. Also, the iPhone performs better than all those phones anyways. In fact the ONLY android phone that can compete with the iPhone in real world performance is the One Plus 5 and it has 8 GB RAM.

If you keep wanting to live in your fantasy about spec's vs real world performance then go ahead, but you will be shut down if you project all these falsehoods on people who actual follow tech.

 

[Your Entertainer]

I've linked to articles stating that the S7 has twice the battery life, RAM, IP67 vs 68, a vastly superior screen, and (adjusted for said superior screen) better performance than the IP7.

You went berserk and started defending Apple like a scene out of 300.

Harping only on performance because that's the only place the iPhone 7 isn't demolished, mind you. And the S8 is the real competitor for it.

Maybe you should switch phones?

More RAM doesn't mean dick when it's worse at keeping apps in memory, which it is. Ip67 vs 68 is meaningless for 99% of people from day to day. Absolutely no way does it perform better, accounting for resolution or not. S7 or S8. Btw, the iPhone 7 plus is rendering at higher than 1080p and then downsampling to 1080.

Pretty sure you're literally just trolling at this point but w/e.

 

[Mr.Shrugglesツ]

I'll ignore your rude shitpost Apple white knighting and address reality.

The S7 clowns the iPhone in RAM, screen, has x2 the battery life, higher water resistance, etc.

Pure performance? Ignoring adjusting for screen size and resolution must be nice.

BRB gonna compare Nvidia vs AMD chipset with the AMD running over x2 the resolution on a bigger screen.



This is why I avoid Apple threads. People will ignore every aspect of the phones except for one benchmark that isn't even equal. It's like putting a Subaru on the line against a muscle car and saying the muscle car is clearly better because of that one benchmark, when the Subaru has an engine half the size in order to so better in other areas.

One does everything well, the other beats it in exactly one area, and it's not even a fair comparison... but somehow that one area supersedes everything else.

So...you agree then?

 

[Maintenance]

Douchey 1%er Apple fanboy mentality on full display in this thread. God damn.

Makes gaming side looks sane in comparison.

 

[dc3k]

I'm just gonna buy whichever one has wireless charging.

 

[DECK'ARD]

Well the idea is to keep making cheaper upgrades but introduce more high-end options to try and extract as much value as they can from people that are willing to pay more. This is kind of a market experiment if it works out it's more money for apple. If it fails they'll just kill it.

If this does pan out like this, and that's a big if, I wouldn't say it's a market experiment more their hand has been forced.

I think the original plan was to have this design across all the models and this year was going to be a reboot of the iPhone line. Dropping the numbering and simplifying things down a family of iPhones sharing the same design just differing in size and minor features.

All the problems it seems they've had getting this design working and to be manufactured to scale means that got shelved and we're getting this 'preview' of what it's going to be for the 10th anniversary year instead of the whole deal.

That way they could spin it as a one-off anniversary model with a price tag to match, like they have done with the Macs. Normal service resumed next year with the original plan.

If it pans out this way, but I think we'll just get a high-end price not something that completely breaks the bank.

 

[ponpo]

Paying $1500 for ugly iOS lol ew.

 

[btrboyev]

Well, one issue is you're comparing subsidized pricing to unsubsidized (what we're discussing in this thread).

$300-400 phones on 2 year contracts were ~$800-900 phones, for comparison.

Right. It was still $800-$900. What's the justification for double the price? Does it come with double the battery life of the best of the best out now? I doubt it

 

[badcrumble]

I want to dig up Gruber's older, much more lucid piece comparing the iPhone to Coca-Cola (it's fantastic but it's also for everyone - there's no premium-priced luxury version of Coca-Cola).

The stuff he says about yield rates makes sense but it's nothing for Apple to aspire to, and if you look at the rest of the smartphone market in the real world, nobody's trying to do an end run around Apple's high end - if anything, it's the opposite case and the competition is gobbling up the large market for cheaper lower-end smartphones.

Everyone's flagship phones, Apple included, are roughly within the same ballpark of performance.

I understand that Apple needs more ways to grow but I'd rather see them improve their services (App Store included) in order to seek revenue there, and I think there are a lot of good arguments against chasing a higher ASP.

 

[zerokoolpsx]

Would you spend >$1,000 on an iPhone

Would you spend >$1,000 on an Android Phone

No to both. Who would spend $1500 on a phone? Its highway robbery lol.

 

[Kurt Angle]

More RAM doesn't mean dick when it's worse at keeping apps in memory, which it is. Ip67 vs 68 is meaningless for 99% of people from day to day. Absolutely no way does it perform better, accounting for resolution or not. S7 or S8. Btw, the iPhone 7 plus is rendering at higher than 1080p and then downsampling to 1080.

Pretty sure you're literally just trolling at this point but w/e.

"My sports car is the best, has the best engines, best suspensions, best tires, highest horsepower in the game.

but its just slow. THIS ONE THING shouldnt matter. check the specs, its clearly the best"

 

[QuantumZebra]

You're bordering on mental illness.

Wow, personal insults and degrading people with actual mental illness over Apple products.

Good stuff there bucko. This is what I mean by Cult of Apple.

I call out bullshit when I see it tech things interest me so I have no problem doing that. I'm not here to argue features. The features, my preference for Android over iOS and, and the nice hardware are the reasons I chose the S7 Edge (Exynos). It's the best phone I've owned mainly because of the design, battery life, and camera. The problem with you is you think that me calling you on how false statements is proof that I run around as a fanboy warrior for Apple. Like I've said, I just call out bullshit. The website you doesn't provide good in depth reviews.

Though the battery on the S7 series tends to be better (there are so many things that can cause this statement to go either way, but I'm not going get into it), it does not have twice the battery life (see:http://www.gsmarena.com/battery-test.php3 for relative comparisons). 4 GB is ram is basically meaning less for Samsung phones, especially on the snapdragon variant. They have not optimized their RAM management system and there are mid range phones that hold more in storage than Samsung flagships. Also, the iPhone performs better than all those phones anyways. In fact the ONLY android phone that can compete with the iPhone in real world performance is the One Plus 5 and it has 8 GB RAM.

If you keep wanting to live in your fantasy about spec's vs real world performance then go ahead, but you will be shut down if you project all these falsehoods on people who actually follow tech.

So you agree with my statements then - the S7 has better specs across the board and only falls behind slightly in performance due to the S7 running a far higher resolution, and larger screen by almost a full inch.

Glad we cleared that up.

 

[giga]

Wow, personal insults and degrading people with actual mental illness over Apple products.

Good stuff there bucko. This is what I mean by Cult of Apple.





So you agree with my statements then - the S7 has better specs across the board and only falls behind slightly in performance due to the S7 running a far higher resolution, and larger screen by almost a full inch.

Glad we cleared that up.

Babe. We talked about this.

 

[Uno Venova]

Wow, personal insults and degrading people with actual mental illness over Apple products.

Good stuff there bucko. This is what I mean by Cult of Apple.





So you agree with my statements then - the S7 has better specs across the board and only falls behind slightly in performance due to the S7 running a far higher resolution, and larger screen by almost a full inch.

Glad we cleared that up.

so it performs worse

 

[damisa]

I'm in for the iPhone 8 even if it's $3K, don't care

 

[Guess Who]

So you agree with my statements then - the S7 has better specs across the board and only falls behind slightly in performance due to the S7 running a far higher resolution, and larger screen by almost a full inch.

Glad we cleared that up.

it also has, you know, roughly half the single-core CPU performance of the a10

 

[DECK'ARD]

I'm in for the iPhone 8 even if it's $3K, don't care

I like to think you turned round, threw a pile of money into the air, and exited the thread as soon as you posted this.

 

[gamma]

Wow, personal insults and degrading people with actual mental illness over Apple products.

Good stuff there bucko. This is what I mean by Cult of Apple.





So you agree with my statements then - the S7 has better specs across the board and only falls behind slightly in performance due to the S7 running a far higher resolution, and larger screen by almost a full inch.

Glad we cleared that up.

lol

You're genuinely mentally ill.

 

[Theonik]

If this does pan out like this, and that's a big if, I wouldn't say it's a market experiment more their hand has been forced.

I think the original plan was to have this design across all the models and this year was going to be a reboot of the iPhone line. Dropping the numbering and simplifying things down a family of iPhones sharing the same design just differing in size and minor features.

All the problems it seems they've had getting this design working and to be manufactured to scale means that got shelved and we're getting this 'preview' of what it's going to be for the 10th anniversary year instead of the whole deal.

That way they could spin it as a one-off anniversary model with a price tag to match, like they have done with the Macs. Normal service resumed next year with the original plan.

If it pans out this way, but I think we'll just get a high-end price not something that completely breaks the bank.

Well yes. But at the same time investors are demanding that Apple introduces even more high-end phones and you can bet that if this ends up being more popular than anticipated then they will be breathing down their neck to make the $1500 flagship standard fare.

 

[snacknuts]

Anyone who is willing to pay $1500 for any kind of phone is out of their mind.

 

[DECK'ARD]

Well yes. But at the same time investors are demanding that Apple introduces even more high-end phones and you can bet that if this ends up being more popular than anticipated then they will be breathing down their neck to make the $1500 flagship standard fare.

Yeah, if they did go the anniversary model route which they have done before then it would throw it all up in the air.

But I don't think the anniversary model Macs did that well, might be wrong there but they were more vanity things than anything else. And with something as important as the iPhone and the model all the eyes will be on and all the talk will be about I don't think they'll upset the apple cart that much.

Spoiler

Quite pleased with apple cart if I do say so myself

 

[rambis]

The mental gymnastics in here are amazing.

Apples platform advantage has always been their closed design. They make up for sometimes inferior hardware by having the thinnest software layer on mobiles are able to "outperform" more bloated devices at lower resolutions. The resolution thing is significant. 7+ is 1080p, 2.07million pixels, Samsung S8 is "Quad HD+" at 4.26 million pixels, more than double. This absolutely has to be factored in any benchmark or comparison.

These are basic computer science principles, anybody getting defensive ot flustered should probably examine themselves.

 

[giga]

The mental gymnastics in here are amazing.

Apples platform advantage has always been their closed design. They make up for sometimes inferior hardware by having the thinnest software layer on mobiles are able to "outperform" more bloated devices at lower resolutions. The resolution thing is significant. 7+ is 1080p, 2.07million pixels, Samsung S8 is "Quad HD+" at 4.26 million pixels, more than double. This absolutely has to be factored in any benchmark or comparison.

These are basic computer science principles, anybody getting defensive ot flustered should probably examine themselves.

FYI, the 7+ actually renders at 2208x1242. And yes that is already factored into GPU benchmarks — that's why you see "offscreen" 1080p in GFXBench and others.

 

[SMOK3Y]

If you buy a flagship Android phone, updates don't stop after 4 months. I just had to update my S7 edge last week.

If you buy a Huawei or BLU phone, maybe. But those are often like a third the price.

I just had update for my S6 edge

 

[Theonik]

The A10 is a pretty insane chip. There is nothing out there right now that can give better single-thread performance which is the most important metric for every day use on a phone.

 

[SafeinSound]

Anyone who is willing to pay $1500 for any kind of phone is out of their mind.

Pretty much. "I want to see apple make a 1500" ...what? I mean I understand why, because it would be a beast. But really...why?

 

[fade_]

I would consider it if it could fellate me.

 

[Skux]

They don't even make the best phone at $800. Doubling the price isn't going to help them.