TheSpaceBetween
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Their cons are vastly overstated. In my opinion, they're the best 2D and 3D Metroid games, respectively.
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Metroid: Samus Returns (Mercury Steam, Metroid 2 reimagining, 9/15) announced for 3DS
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Their cons are vastly overstated. In my opinion, they're the best 2D and 3D Metroid games, respectively.
FloweryMarston
Member
i have a very "generic" opinion of the best 2d and 3d metroids:
2d: super
3d: prime
although the gameplay in zero mission/fusion always make it a little hard to adjust to super.
2d: super
3d: prime
although the gameplay in zero mission/fusion always make it a little hard to adjust to super.
D.Lo
Member
I certainly enjoyed Prime 3. As the first Metroid (and one of the first FPS) with pointer controls it was amazing too, that gets lost because of the re-releases of Prime 1/2 with the same controls (Trilogy in the west).
TheSpaceBetween
Member
Yes, but the difference is, the whole game is designed around the motion controls in Corruption. Which is not the case in Prime and Echoes.
mario_O
Member
It is. Pre-order discounts in some stores are good, but it doesn't change the fact that the recommended retail price is 45 euros. And that will be the price in many stores. Not to mention that the digital copy will 100% sure cost 45-49 euros. And I'm not sure how else would you define a classic Metroid game (albeit with new visuals), other than a 2D sidescroller/platformer. The point is --this type of games: 2D scrollers, low budget, no online etc-- usually cost around $20. Nintendo has a tendency to overprice its low budgets games.
TheMoon
Member
What is your point then? I thought you wanted to buy it for a good price that isn't the 45 you don't actually have to pay anywhere.
Welp, I started a Prime 3 save file on hyper mode.
I will admit that first Ridley battle is fantastic.
TheSpaceBetween
Member
I specifically ran through Veteran several years ago without scanning anything simply for the fact that I could play Hypermode without the scans already being "done"
. I really need to attempt another shot at beating Hypermode without losing a life. I've beat the GC versions of Prime and Echoes on hard without losing a life, and Corruption is supposedly the easiest of the Trilogy, but Hypermode has several tricky parts to do in one go:-Destroying the turrets protecting the shield generator in Bryyo Thorn Jungle
-Moegnar
-Omega Ridley
-Dark Samus/Corrupted Aurora Unit
Though none of those individually are as hard as the Boost Guardian, Emperor Ing, and Dark Samus 3 on Hard. I was pretty shocked I was able to to accomplish that feat.
Vague info about strategy guide here:
https://gonintendo.com/stories/285731-prima-shows-off-official-metroid-samus-returns-strategy-guide
Did we know about
(mild spoiler)
https://gonintendo.com/stories/285731-prima-shows-off-official-metroid-samus-returns-strategy-guide
Did we know about
multiple endings?
TheMoon
Member
We didn't but all Metroid games kinda have them.
There's not gonna be a "Baby Metroid lives"/"Baby Metroid dies" dramatic difference.
Even just beyond the suit end screens, SM had two "different endings" already depending on whether you saved the creatures or not.
It's been very mild since Fusion, less fan service and more adhering to tradition to include them. This is probably the most "provocative" image of Samus in Zero Mission, and it's really nothing:
In the Japanese versions they even went as far as including scenes from the manga as ending images:
Triforce141
Member
Metroid's always had multiple endings, though I like to see the tradition change from art of Samus posing to a stinger ending like in Prime 2, 3 and Federation Force.
Maybe tease the X infestation or recreate the opening of Super Metroid before Ridley attacks Ceres?
Calints Neos
Member
The graphics and animations look really good. I'm liking the backgrounds more now too.
Somewhat related, Nintendo brought Metroid and other games to Comic-con but they also held a preview event for press only right next to Comic-con. No media are talking about what they previewed yet. Anyone have any ideas? I'm super curious if it was for new stuff or not. I hope the embargo is up soon.
I sorta wonder if Samus Returns is going to have a Zero Mission-esque ending or not.
forknknife
Banned
Only saw the first bit but it looks smooth, fast and challenging. I think this game might be very good.
That would be incredible, wouldn't it? Nintendo kind of put themselves into a corner with that one by setting such a very high bar for (Metroid) remakes. I hope they at least play with people's prior knowledge of the GB game somewhat here and there even if it's not a full ZM style ending.
Refreshment.01
Member
Good to see some of the good Other M elements are being brought back namely Melee attacks and the precision aiming.
Another good aspect is that the developers moved all the UI elements to the touch screen leaving the playing area completely clean. As well, there seems to be 3 Virtual buttons for beams and 3 virtual buttons for missiles making weapon selection more convenient. Quick drag and drop interest icons for the map is another convenience feature that is apreciated specially in a game that has some backtrack.
Why you make the distinction? Other M is closer to a 2D Metroid game like Samus Returns than the full 3D of a Prime, for these type of Metroid games precision aiming is not the norm; and it was first introduced in Other M.
The reminiscence is debatable. In all 3 games Samus is locked into place. That would only leave for discussion the activation of the feature: pressing a bumper vs pointing at the screen. Which is a very superficial distinction in the end.
The music in the lava area (~6:30) seems to be straight up Magmoor Caverns from Prime? Placeholder? I kinda hoped for new and unique music considering the location.
Fucking sweet
If anything, the precision aiming in this game is more reminiscent of how it worked in Prime for the GameCube.
The main problem I have with Prime 3 Hyper Mode so far is that some bosses (Mogenar, Gandrayda) take an obscene number of hits and just drag, while others (Rundas, Helios) are still pathetically easy. It feels very unbalanced.I specifically ran through Veteran several years ago without scanning anything simply for the fact that I could play Hypermode without the scans already being "done"
-Destroying the turrets protecting the shield generator in Bryyo Thorn Jungle
-Moegnar
-Omega Ridley
-Dark Samus/Corrupted Aurora Unit
Though none of those individually are as hard as the Boost Guardian, Emperor Ing, and Dark Samus 3 on Hard. I was pretty shocked I was able to to accomplish that feat.
Also they nerfed Screw Attack in the trilogy version for God knows what reason.
Ein Bear
Member
I wouldn't say any of the three Prime games are any better or worse than one another. I always think the truly great thing about the Prime trilogy is how each of the three games have their own 'feel', and offer fresh, different experiences from one another whilst still feeling like part of the same series of games. They're perfect examples of how to approach making sequels really.
The more I see the more I like it, this is going to be good. Graphics and presentation are top notch for a 3DS game but it seems to retain the classic mechanics and some new ideas.
Agreed i thing the same about the three prime games tbh.
Damn the backgrounds look amazing and the gameplay looks pretty stellar and awesome yet again. This game is gonna look so good in 3D.
Edit: damn i love that melee counter mechanic.
HYDE
Banned
I can't wait! Bought the gameboy version with manual in anticipation for this. It looks so good.
NintendosBooger
Member
I don't have a 3DS any more.
Would you guys recommend I get the 3DS XL or the 2DS XL. I'm doing it only for this game and some others.
Would you guys recommend I get the 3DS XL or the 2DS XL. I'm doing it only for this game and some others.
so happy this exist, Zero mission is one of my favorite games ever and i remember that a couple of years ago i imagined how cool a remake of metroid 2 on the 3ds would be coincidentaly i also imagined a mario and luigi and Paper mario crossover but that was more in the line of a a paper mario game with both mario and luigi as the lead lets see what else can i imagine so that it comes true.
The 2DS is cheaper and lacks 3D. I've never had one, but I'm assuming it is fine? I'd get that if you're comfortable with the no 3D as you only want it for what I take to be limited software?
crunchburner
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the androgyne
Member
I thought i read or heard that too but I couldn't find it afterwards.
I kinda hope they don't do it. Although i liked Zero Mission's post game, it also made the rest/main game seem too short. Plus, I can only think of bad ideas, ie:
- Making the end game anything BUT finding the last Metroid, which is awesome as it is. The scene from Super Metroid shouldn't be changed!
- Making something happen before finding the last Metroid... Space Pirates showing up... Hunters showing up... I really hope they don't try and lead into Prime 4 somehow since 2 is supposed to be after Prime, it'd hardly make sense.
- Samus wounded by the Queen and so you have to play AS the Metroid to get out! The Metroid will not be able to crawl btw.
Personally i just hope they just give you more reason to go back up to earlier areas. There's hardly a reason in the original since the pickups aren't very dependent on late game items. The teleports make me think they will. Some way to sequence break the lava/purple goop (and not just making a run for it with enough tanks!) would be nice too!
They don't need to change the Super Metroid cutscenes at all since it only shows Samus standing over the hatchlings egg and the larva pops out. Heck, they can make it so that there is a Mother Brain deep inside the planet that needs to be taken out. Samus leaves the baby inside her ship and she goes down and kills of Mother Brain and then heads to Ceres research station
TheSpaceBetween
Member
I know, it's absolutely silly. I can understand everyone's frustration with how the series went from 2010 to 2016, but I could do without all the whining over every game that doesn't have sequence breaking or contains a small amount of story or NPC's.
Really? Rundas kicked my ass several times before I was able to beat him the first time. And after that I've always played on Hypermode, which he is still very challenging on. I'll agree Helios is quite a bit easier than Moegnar or Omega Ridley. I've never played the Trilogy and have no desire to so I can't really comment on that. Honestly, there are things to nitpick in all the Prime games but Corruption is the one I always find myself having the most fun with.
The entirety of the Prime Series takes place between Metroid and Metroid 2.
AlexFlame116
Member
I'm actually pretty excited for this!
The simplest and most likely way to do it is that Samus returns to SR388 following the metroid mission to investigate non-metroid occurrences. They can't really do space pirates because they attack Ceres after she leaves. They can foreshadow the X parasites without having Samus find out what they are so that Fusion works.
Imagine this scenario. Samus returns to SR388, finds more areas and powerups, fights more bosses. Eventually at the end of it all she comes across an X-parasite clone of something. She defeats it in an epic boss battle, but before she can investigate more she gets a distress single. Ceres is under attack!
the androgyne
Member
Yeah that's what I meant; considering we won't know what if anything happens to the other hunters until Prime 4, it won't make any sense to have them show up in 2.
the androgyne
Member
Nintendo's Japanese site updated today: https://www.nintendo.co.jp/3ds/a9aj/index.html
Not a whole lot, but they do have the finalized Special Edition packaging and CD artwork. Hopefully get a bigger picture later, their online store is down atm.
Not a whole lot, but they do have the finalized Special Edition packaging and CD artwork. Hopefully get a bigger picture later, their online store is down atm.
Nintendo's Japanese site updated today: https://www.nintendo.co.jp/3ds/a9aj/index.html
Not a whole lot, but they do have the finalized Special Edition packaging and CD artwork. Hopefully get a bigger picture later, their online store is down atm.
You cannot access the site of you are logged in with a non-Japanese Nintendo Account. The store only shows the US boxart however.
the androgyne
Member
I am logged in with a Japanese account, but it still says down for me.
But oh well maybe they'll update with a bigger pic soon!
But oh well maybe they'll update with a bigger pic soon!
https://gonintendo.com/stories/285920-metroid-samus-returns-japanese-website-open-amiibo-functional
Fusion.
FUSION. *thinking*
Hmmmmmmm
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Fusion difficulty unlocks an evil samus that you ocassionaly run into and have to get away from
In my dreams
Vampirolol
Member
I think it means that all those things except the powerups are unlocked when completing the game. At least I hope so.
Ah yeah now i reread it, it kinda looks that way hope so too!