tauroxd
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So apparently 8 million people voted today in Venezuela.
It is truly ridiculous that they dared to say that number. I just can't actualy believe they just say that. It makes no sense.
So apparently 8 million people voted today in Venezuela.
72.7% of respondents said they lost weight in the past year, dropping an average of 19 pounds (8.7 kg). The average weight loss was slightly higher among those living in extreme poverty.
You don't know what you're talking about and you should leave it there.This doesn't even account for the very real possibility that a new Venezuelan government abolishes democracy to protect corporate interests, just as juntas in Chile and Brazil and Colombia had done in the past.
Fuck Maduro. I hope everyone in Venezuela ends up ok.
Venezuela-GAF stay safe...
The same stuff we were told to justify the first Iraqi war, except this time from the opposite side of the political spectrum.
The reason for that number is that a little while back, the opposition held an unofficial election. That election (which also would have no power because unofficial) got over 7 million voters.It is truly ridiculous that they dared to say that number. I just can't actualy believe they just say that. It makes no sense.
How many has the opposition killed today?
Jose Pineda was totally killed by the regime right?
https://twitter.com/benjaminnorton/status/891787756837511169
Most reporting on Venezuela is absolute garbage. The opposition is savage, burning multiple people alive, assassinating people and burning places like maternity wards. They tell reporters to only start filming once police initiate retaliation. If they realize it's a TeleSur reporter they'll try to lynch you. It's insane.
https://twitter.com/benjaminnorton/status/891768038256758784
Look at this bomb attack on a police squadron for instance.
https://twitter.com/benjaminnorton/status/891779523238391808
Here's the extremists threatening a coup
They won't let people out of their homes to vote. 9 days being detained at her own home
https://twitter.com/madeleintlsur/status/889556487948914689
https://twitter.com/benjaminnorton/status/891715716545687552
Venezuelans voting and imploring to end the violence.
Opinions and beliefs are worthless. You either know or you don't know.My main point I was trying to make with my earlier post was that Venezuela is mostly so one sided in the way it has been portrayed that it's hard to take anything at face value. I'm not dismissing any bad shit that goes down there nor am I saying that the current govt there is the best. I'm not in a position to make that call. I am in the position to question whether smacking everything with a hammer is a good solution.
This is just my opinion
So apparently 8 million people voted today in Venezuela.
Honestly you need to talk to the Venezuelans who have escaped to Mexico to get a better perspective. That's not whitewashing Mexico's huge problems, but we're talking about something magnitudes worse.Sure. 21k people killed by the organized crime in the last 7 months in capitalist Mexico. Almost half the population in deep poverty. But yeah, the crisis is somewhere else right.
It's actually offensive reading people denying the effects of USA meddling in latin american countries.
You have to be pretty naive to think that USA isnt producing at least part of these shortages to get people angry (like they already did in Chile.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/07/candidate-killed-violence-venezuela-vote-170730155600672.htmlI really wonder if you actually believe this stuff.
I don't know why you posted that link, but if you're trying to imply that Al-Jazeera has reporting supporting the idea that it's the opposition who are actually behind the bulk of the violence, that's not what the article says.
Honestly you need to talk to the Venezuelans who have escaped to Mexico to get a better perspective. That's not whitewashing Mexico's huge problems, but we're talking about something magnitudes worse.
Isnt the candidate of the tweets or Its another? Its a question reallyI don't know why you posted that link, but if you're trying to imply that Al-Jazeera has reporting supporting the idea that it's the opposition who are actually behind the bulk of the violence, that's not what the article says.
The article does say that an opposition political candidate was one of those killed, however.
I... this thread... I can't. How can people defend this?
Fuck me, I wish USA still intervened like the old days down here. The 21th century has made them pussies.
Go all Noriega on Maduro, it's all I have left to hope for.
And I have personally donated and assisted for materials for making Molotov bombs and other things. These bastards are murderers, we're not going to turn the other cheek,
Again, not defending Maduro or Chavez's ineffective and cruel attempt at a lasting socialist revolution. I am just annoyed because you know damn well that this narrative of Venezuela becoming worse than Iraq that the Mexican media is pushing is nothing but an attempt at diminishing AMLO and Morena.
Amazing, utterly amazing that the usual suspects are using this to beat once more on the neoliberal strawman.
You guys have truly shown your ass. You are farces.
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And I have personally donated and assisted for materials for making Molotov bombs and other things. These bastards are murderers, we're not going to turn the other cheek,
I never thought I'd see the day where a gaffer would defend Chavismo. And of course it had to be a fucking junior.The media is crazy in how Venezuela is covered. These attacks were from the opposition party. (Opposition party who is completely backed by the US) It seems that the best course of action is to constantly have the opposition attack and protest while having the media portray it as another one of Maduros dirty tricks. It is seriously discouraging when so much of the western media continue to question when will Maduro step down. He was democratically elected by his own people and last I checked is very popular there. He is somewhere in the 60's of approval ratings. More popular than the Mexican president, Colombian president and the illegitimate Michel Temer of Brazil yet Venezuela is always on the cross hairs for regime change. The constituent assembly is radical for several reasons but the most frightening to the west is the fact that it gives more power to the people in decision making and planning for local areas in Valenzuela. The opposition is ENCOURAGED to join in on the assembly but they want no part in it. Gee I wonder why?..
I have family friends out there in Venezuela and the one constant thing they hate about the media is how they don't cover things straight. The Bolivarian revolution is popular for a reason and I can see why the West is frightened by that..
Like the aljazeera article Said i agree, the govermnent and oposition should sit on a table and negotiate. To end this violence and a better outcome to the people, If IS that Window still open IS the better result to everyone. Molotovs Wont solve this, you could kill someone.Fuck me, I wish USA still intervened like the old days down here. The 21th century has made them pussies.
Go all Noriega on Maduro, it's all I have left to hope for.
And I have personally donated and assisted for materials for making Molotov bombs and other things. These bastards are murderers, we're not going to turn the other cheek,
Like the aljazeera article Said i agree, the govermnent and oposition should sit on a table and negotiate. To end this violence and a better outcome to the people, If IS that Window still open IS the better result to everyone. Molotovs Wont solve this, you could kill someone.
Most brutal dictators come into power via a democratic election. The problem is once they have power they don't want to let go, you incompetent fool!Again, the Maduro government came to power via a DEMOCRATIC ELECTION by less than 2 percent of the vote, hardly the margins of a dictatorial madman. Is that really so hard to grasp for some people?
So civil war IS the way? I think the oposition should try, If the govermnent refuses then Its another story.Considering that Maduro stacked the Supreme Court with loyalists, then changed the system so the legislature (which the opposition won two thirds of democratically) didn't have any power; that path is well and truly dead.
This rethoric is just precious when you have EPN's México, Nicaragua and plenty of other examples. Just rich.
Again, not defending Maduro or Chavez's ineffective and cruel attempt at a lasting socialist revolution. I am just annoyed because you know damn well that this narrative of Venezuela becoming worse than Iraq that the Mexican media is pushing is nothing but an attempt at diminishing AMLO and Morena.
Sure. 21k people killed by the organized crime in the last 7 months in capitalist Mexico. Almost half the population in deep poverty. But yeah, the crisis is somewhere else right.
The reality of the situation is that either one side or the other has the power, there is no middle ground. Which is why Maduro is even more of a douche to the rest of the left because he is setting Venezuela up for at least two decades of rightwing gov.So civil war IS the way? I think the oposition should try, If the govermnent refuses then Its another story.
Horrible stuff.
Though GAF, kindly, fuck off with the "socialists, eh?" angle, truly fuck off. Read a few books on it and then realize that "putting power into the working class's hands" does not even remotely look like this. It is literally the opposite. People are killed here. People are starving. There is a ruling elite.
This is as far removed from communism or marxist ideology as slavery is from freedom of people.
Maduro is even more of a douche to the rest of the left because he is setting Venezuela up for at least two decades of rightwing gov.
Whatever Maduro's failings are, it's the ones lynching black people and dropping grenades on courthouses who are doing that
I've looked. While the theories are good in theory, Socialist, Communist, and Marxist ideology falls apart when it's put into practice. Meanwhile, warts and all, Capitalism has the best track record for providing for a population.
I've looked. While the theories are good in theory, Socialist, Communist, and Marxist ideology falls apart when it's put into practice. Meanwhile, warts and all, Capitalism has the best track record for providing for a population.
That is all cool, but lets not pretend that authorian regimes cannot happen within any type of society. They can. We have plenty of examples of right-wing regimes as well.
But, since it requires permanent growing, we are at the end of its lifespan.
Yet there hasn't been a long-term, stable Socialist government that hasn't fallen to authoritarianism.
Well, I am not sure it is Marx's fault that even the idea of basic income is being tested in the Holy Almighty West like a dog tests the bathtub when it is time to wash: avoiding it like the plague, god forbid we have any usable data out of it instead of dismissing it out of spite.