DC1
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But it confirms that it will come out in 2018 or 2021.
I think that I executed this correctly.
G-freaken wiz!, How late to the damn party thread am I???
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Pachter: PS5 to be a half step, release in 2019 with PS4 BC
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TheThreadsThatBindUs
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Yes but not every chip gets read/written on every read/write OP.
Speaking of data center experience, this is definitely not true.
But yes, of course - the larger the size, the better the wear leveling works.
Mr. PlayStation
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Wait so is the successor to PS4 not going to have native hardware backwards compatibility with PS4?
No one knows. It seems logical with the switch to X86 and it would not make much sense considering how they've grown their platform/eco-system.
A machine that sacrifices hardware power for BC is a no-buy for me.
Why would it have to sacrifice power?
Laplasakos
Member
Why every one is so sure that PS5 will be backwards compatibility with PS4? I remember that people were sure PS4 would be backwards compatibility with PS3. Judging from PS4 i don't think Sony cares for backwards compatibility at all. I mean so many people own PS4 and instead of giving them the option to play PS1-2-3 classics you can only play some PS2 games.
PS3 used that weird ass cell tech, I was almost positive that it would not be BC.
Moving to the X86 architecture should allow for BC. So I am about 90% positive that the PS5 will play PS4 games.
My only concern is remasters are lucrative.
Nobody thought this.
giancarlo123x
Banned
Honestly, I would need to see the receipts
Okami Haundo
Member
I mean, we literally have no idea at this point.
Trogdor1123
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Don't think that is what the poster meant. I think it was just that no compromise of current gen stuff should be made for last gen stuff.
That being said, I so wish demon souls worked on my ps4. My ps3 isnt going to last too much longer.
Pretty sure no one thought this considering the cell processor was a known quantity then for being super obtuse.the reason people think that the ps5 will be bc is Xbox already said they were. PlayStation would get destroyed if it didn't have it. It would mean it would be easier for people to jump ship to Xbox than Xbox to PlayStation. It's the same thing that happened to Xbox this gen. You can't limit used games selling or trading games and then the other console not have that limitation. You will be blown out of the water.
If it allows BC to my PS4 digital library, and they somehow tie the PSV into revised VR hardware I'm all in. I'd even accept slightly less powerful hardware compared to Microsoft as a trade-off.
They should revise the Dual Shock pad so it's split in half like other VR controllers/joycons.
Standard Dual Shock V sold seperately or in a seperate non-VR SKU.
They should revise the Dual Shock pad so it's split in half like other VR controllers/joycons.
Standard Dual Shock V sold seperately or in a seperate non-VR SKU.
Bitch Pudding
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Sony needs BC to make the transition from PS4 to PS5 as smooth as possible - both for devs and players who own a decent library of digitally purchased PS4 games (incl. PS+ games).
It would be the stupidest mistake ever to not offer BC, so there's a 60% chance of Sony not screwing this up.
It would be the stupidest mistake ever to not offer BC, so there's a 60% chance of Sony not screwing this up.
Everything is on X86 meaning... very simplistically.. it is like buying a new PC. No power need be sacrificed. Consoles are now objectively lower spec mini pc with walled garden OS's.
Just think of console like a PC. Each "gen" just will have better hardware, an OS UI refresh, some bells and whistles, but should be able to play last gens stuff w/o a ton of effort. If I recall PS4 runs on a custom Unix.
Gen are now basically buying better hardware. No architecture jump like PS2 to PS3 etc.. it is like buying 1080 from your 970 and some other new parts. Games will be optimized to this newly fixed spec. It is also possible that games can be retroactively patched to take advantage of the newer hardware. IE consoles can finally get 60 FPS on everything.
This is all a good thing if it happens. You want this if you console game.
Just think of console like a PC. Each "gen" just will have better hardware, an OS UI refresh, some bells and whistles, but should be able to play last gens stuff w/o a ton of effort. If I recall PS4 runs on a custom Unix.
Gen are now basically buying better hardware. No architecture jump like PS2 to PS3 etc.. it is like buying 1080 from your 970 and some other new parts. Games will be optimized to this newly fixed spec. It is also possible that games can be retroactively patched to take advantage of the newer hardware. IE consoles can finally get 60 FPS on everything.
This is all a good thing if it happens. You want this if you console game.
Mikey Jr.
Member
Yep. Ps5 needs, at the absolute bare minimum, ps4 support.
If they don't, it will be much much much easier for people to go xbox and buy their games there, since their stuff never carried over.
Plus, imagine if ps5 only played ps5 games, but xbox 2 can play Xbox 2 games, one, 360, and og Xbox games, PLUS all your indie games. Games with gold would also be huge. They could offer you a like 7 or 8 games you could play on your Xbox 2, rather than PS plus which would be 7 or 8 games spread across 4 different systems.
Fuck man, I legit would be tempted to go Xbox primary that gen, no joke.
Okami Haundo
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Yep! Making it harder/less appealing for PS4 owners to upgrade would be the dumbest move they could possibly make. Consoles didn't die like many predicted they would after this gen, but I think the time of having a "fresh start" is over. People don't want to lose all their stuff from system to system.
I like how you added Indie games separately.
They don't have an unlimited budget when it comes to designing a console. Resources spent on current gen compromises are resources they can't spend on next gen. There are much more important priorities.
Mikey Jr.
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I think the big selling point for bc is your discs working, and big budget retail games.
Losing my indies would suck, but it's not something I would switch to Xbox for.
Shin
Banned
One can hope they have better/smarter engineers this time around, the thing with no system-wide downsampling on Pro is embarrassing.
I can't imagine how such a bunch smart people didn't think it was needed and/or overlooked it completely, not the first time they've let things up in the air.
As for cost and what's in the box mainstream will be their primary focus if anything they might have another Pro for the hardcore audience.
I can't imagine how such a bunch smart people didn't think it was needed and/or overlooked it completely, not the first time they've let things up in the air.
As for cost and what's in the box mainstream will be their primary focus if anything they might have another Pro for the hardcore audience.
Negotiator
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Not gonna happen.
PS4 Pro support is already abysmal, so a Pro 2 will be even worse than that...
I would imagine this would only be a problem if the machine moved to a different architecture. Then entire thing about this gen was how MS and Sony were moving to more standardised hardware setups, where the changes between systems are basically going to be graphics cards updates.
I get it on the older machines though. PS2 had its weird emotion engine and they had to bundle that in the PS3. PS3 in turn has the weird Cell, and there is no way that was going to be lumped into the PS4.
EDIT:
Anyway. I have a feeling that the PS5, if launched in 2019, will have in it whatever hardware that allows it to launch at the same price points it has been launching at recently. Their entire thing has been to keenly balance performance and affordability. Can't see them wanting to shake that up.
An old ass jaguar won't be forward compatible with a next gen cpu fam.
Negotiator
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Cross-gen games will be a thing for the first 2-3 years (like on the PS4/ΧΒ1), but don't expect anything more than that.
wumster3000
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You'll be expecting to pay $800+ then. The GTX Titan XP is 12 teraflops and it's $1200.
It will not be close to 15. Even in two years time.
If PS5 had only minimal more GPU than the PRO, but had a full leap to something like a high end Ryzen 3, it would open the door to so many more gaming improvements than just pixels.
That said, PS5 needs to be pretty beastly, and share enough guts with a typical PC that games dont take forever to come to it. (from pc)
That said, PS5 needs to be pretty beastly, and share enough guts with a typical PC that games dont take forever to come to it. (from pc)
Isn't that how it's been since forever? Plenty of games kept being released for both platforms after the 360/ps3 launched. Nothing broken about it, why change it.
Differences between GTX Titan XP's 12 TFlops and future GPU tech / PS5.
*AMD not Nvidia
*7nm not 16nm FinFET
*2019 GPU tech (Navi) put into a console for release late 2020+
vs 2016 GPU tech (Pascal) full size GPU in ultra high end enthusiast card early 2017.
Navi architecture main features AMD has given: scalability, nextgen memory.
I see no reason PS5 can't have a 15 TF GPU if released November 2020 at $499 max
Shin
Banned
I'm not sure we'll see a 12-16TF machine for $399, this thing needs to be strong enough to push PSVR2 while being affordable.
If both companies go with $499 and it's BC then I can see people being warm for that price point, funny thing about pricing is that we don't consider retailers cut.
From that $399 or whatever retailers probably are making $50 at the very least, they need to pay wages, storage and make a profit.
I think we may see $499 for the PS5. The industry probably won't be as slow as it was in 2013 so they won't need to make a big splash right out of the gate and I expect a longer cross gen period so they can still make money off of the PS4 for a while. I'm expecting a super Slim PS4 for cheap released near the PS5 launch window. There will be less of a clear cut, especially if there's full BC.
What would be the benefits to releasing a super slim at the same time? Seems like it would take attention off of the brand new console they are trying to hype and confuse the public.
Okay here is something of an example of what I would consider disappointing for PS5 specs:
CPU: 4 core / 8 thread mobile / low power Zen @ ~2.8 GHz
GPU AMD Navi based, 48 CUs (at whatever clock) 9 TFlops
Memory: 16 GB GDDR6 / 500 GB/s bandwidth
Dual Shock 5
$399 / November 2019
That might be fine for a "PS4 Super Pro" but Sony neds to make a more significant leap with anything that's called PlayStation 5, IMHO.
Honestly, I think Sony just needs to ride out into the sunset and do some soul searching. Let the X release and see how it does. See what people think about its power advantages. Right now they are sitting really pretty, and I doubt that will change with heavy hitting games coming from everywhere for them.
If they stay X86 which they should I don't think sacrificing power will be a problem.
If you are talking max settings and priced at $399, 2019, No. 2020, Probably.
Hum...2019 sounds like it's too early for a true next gen leap. Let's hope Sony doesn't rush it.
Shin
Banned
And I would agree with almost everything you listed, unfortunately we're part of smaller audience where it's either we buy it or we don't kinda thing.
PS4 Pro tried to cater that, in that regard I'm fine if they bump the price to $500 if it means we get a better specced machine.
You pretty much took the worst gpu to make a comparison with
Vega64 is 12.5tf and 500
Lagspike_exe
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I think PS5 should target 4K/60 FPS as a baseline. With VRR and checker board rendering it's perfectly possible at $499 and most likely $399, if 7nm happens at time.
True but it makes game development alot easier cause they don't have to worry about switching to next gen cause they are late in their development and get caught on a last gen system. That is where 10 year game development hell gets started.
Also AMD's and Nvidia's flops aren't the same.
Gemüsepizza
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There certainly won't be any half-steps when it comes to CPU and RAM. The existence of the PS4 Pro makes CPU / RAM much more important for new generations. Because they can always release a PS5 Pro with a much better GPU a few years later, but it won't make much sense to release a PS5 Pro with a much better CPU. That's why I expect Sony to focus on a strong CPU this time around (GPU will still be 10+ TFLOPS).