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Media Create Sales: Week 38, 2017 (Sep 18 - Sep 24)

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foxuzamaki

Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Ridley327 said:
That is tricky. If they decide to go back to the download quest model for a Switch version, it is going to be extraordinarily difficult to justify continuing one's support for the PS4 version if you can get the Switch version and get all of the future content for free.

If they opted to charge for those quests, or even straight up kept the format the same by "encouraging" a constant online connection, I think you'll find a lot of players rejecting that as it runs counter to the pick up and play nature of the game.

In either event, a separate line might be the only reasonable way to handle it, but even then, you have to figure that with the gap between the Switch and PS4 being so much smaller than what would have happened if they tried this last gen, you still run right into a similar issue in the first point.

Interesting stuff to consider, and I fully expect Capcom to fuck it up royally.
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They could if they just keep the switch version in japan
 
R

Reki

Member
ggx2ac said:
The kick in the nuts to fans is that half of the new characters made for the game are locked behind DLC. Capcom made ten new characters and locked five of them behind DLC.

You do not announce that you have that many characters planned in advance for DLC, you're supposed to trickle it out so that consumers don't get wise about you milking them.

Nintendo didn't announce how many Smash Bros DLC characters would be available, at launch they only announced one and it was a returning character: Mewtwo. There was more to come but people had no idea aside from the leak of Ryu that they'd get Cloud, Corrin, Roy and Bayonetta (from the choose your character poll.)
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If I remember correctly, Sakurai himself stated that the DLC characters were developed after the game released, so they had nothing to announce. Even though we can't know for sure, I'm inclined to believe him, especially considering the ballot.

At the end of the day the pricing wasn't that good, but it was the opposite approach to what Capcom is doing with MvC:I. From an external point of view (not a fan of the genre or this game in particular) it seems like the PR was mishandled since the start.
 
M

Man God

Non-Canon Member
Oregano said:
The GaaS model would have to be a really strong model to make up for lost unit sales IMO. I'm not sure Switch/Japan/The Portable team would figure into that model either

That's a real delicate balance they'd have to strike there.
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Considering they do 80% or more return sales on the G rank games at full price they'd have to find some way to seriously monetize the game without driving everyone away that would be worth more/cost less to produce than that.
 
M

MatrixMan.EXE

Member
cw_sasuke said:
Nintendo can own Japan without Capcom and MH as the Switch is showing....i can see them working with other partners to fill that MH void and i expect announcements early 2018.
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This isn't going to happen. They already have a Monster Hunter game on their platform and will continue to receive Monster Hunter games for the foreseeable future. They have absolutely no reason to shop around and partner with other third parties to fill a void that doesn't even exist, with games that won't sell anything close to what Monster Hunter sells anyway.
 
F

foxuzamaki

Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
BitStyle said:
But then they're not capturing all potential markets, and then they have to be running two concurrent MH series, which seems to fly in the face of their decision of a multiplat MHW.
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But that's what we are all assuming, that they are making a portable version, for some reason instead of just porting MHW which we would know by now if they were but there's been no word and even more so when they decided to be at Sony's presser at tgs
 
M

Man God

Non-Canon Member
foxuzamaki said:
But that's what we are all assuming, that they are making a portable version, for some reason instead of just porting MHW which we would know by now if they were but there's been no word and even more so when they decided to be at Sony's presser at tgs
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Even Capcom isn't dumb enough to announce a version of a game on a system people actually like in Japan with the feature they want to play the game before actually releasing the version due out in a few months.
 
K

KtSlime

Member
MatrixMan.EXE said:
This isn't going to happen. They already have a Monster Hunter game on their platform and will continue to receive Monster Hunter games for the foreseeable future. They have absolutely no reason to shop around and partner with other third parties to fill a void that doesn't even exist, with games that won't sell anything close to what Monster Hunter sells anyway.
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While I think Switch will see more MH games in the future, XX being on the Switch does not guarantee that, and we are talking about Capcom, which is on a surprisingly successful run of blunders as of recent.
 
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OrbitalBeard

Member
I think if you're a Monster Hunter fan living in Japan and own a Switch, you're going to be just fine, though not for awhile.

I think if you're a Monster Hunter fan living in the west and own a Switch, I'd probably be a bit wary of the future.

My guess is Monster Hunter on Switch will receive little to no western support from Capcom. It will not launch globally on day one, Nintendo will handle marketing, and they may even be the publisher outside of Japan.

I think Monster Hunter World + its DLC and expansions will be Capcom USA's priority for the foreseeable future.
 
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Gotdatmoney

Member
Nintendo doesn't need Monster Hunter. They own every monster franchise in Japan literally besides Dragon Quest and Monster Hunter. Like if anybody could ever afford to just not court a major third party franchise it's Nintendo. But like why wouldn't they try to have it all? Why let it slip away when its mutually beneficial? Sounds more like fanboy dreams than reality honesty.
 
silpheed-mcd

silpheed-mcd

Member
Hardware sales since the Switch launch, Week 9, 2017 (Feb 27 - Mar 05) ----> Week 38, 2017 (Sep 18 - Sep 24)


MEDIA-CREATE


top_logo.gif



SWITCH: 1.710.953

3DS: 921.159
(n-2DSLL: 294.352)

PS4: 909.878
(PS4 PRO: 189.625)

PSV: 157.842

PS3: 14.461

WiiU: 7.035

XONE: 4.462


NINTENDO: 2.639.147

SONY: 1.082.181

MICROSOFT: 4.462


ALL: 3.725.790



FAMITSU
1305-22-Famitsu-Logo.gif



SWITCH: 1.734.083

PS4: 904.244
(PS4 PRO: 176.893)

3DS: 892.416
(n-2DSLL: 300.858)

PSV: 163.322

PS3: 11.933

WiiU: 7.691

XONE: 2.817


NINTENDO: 2.634.190

SONY: 1.079.499

MICROSOFT: 2.817


ALL: 3.716.506
 
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BrokenJohnCena

Member
Wonder if Nintendo will invest in some casual friendly IPs like Nintendo or Brain Training
Gotdatmoney said:
Nintendo doesn't meed Monster Hunter. They own every monster franchise in Japan literally besides Dragon Quest and Monster Hunter. Like if anybody could ever afford to just not court a major third party franchise it's Nintendo. But like why wouldn't they try to have it all? Why let it slip away when its mutually beneficial? Sounds more like fanboy dreams than reality honesty.
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It's just like the original ds,it didn't even need monster hunter to sell over 30 million consoles.Nintendo's entire first party Ips alone are more than enough
 
J

Jon Carter

Member
silpheed-mcd said:
Hardware sales since the Switch launch, Week 9, 2017 (Feb 27 - Mar 05) ----> Week 38, 2017 (Sep 18 - Sep 24):


MEDIA-CREATE:

SWITCH: 1.710.953

3DS: 921.159
(n-2DSLL: 294.352)

PS4: 909.878
(PS4 PRO: 189.625)

PSV: 157.842

PS3: 14.461

WiiU: 7.035

XONE: 4.462


NINTENDO: 2.639.147

SONY: 1.082.181

MICROSOFT: 4.462


ALL: 3.725.790


FAMITSU:

SWITCH: 1.734.083

PS4: 904.244
(PS4 PRO: 176.893)

3DS: 892.416
(n-2DSLL: 300.858)

PSV: 163.322

PS3: 11.933

WiiU: 7.691

XONE: 2.817


NINTENDO: 2.634.190

SONY: 1.079.499

MICROSOFT: 2.817


ALL: 3.716.506
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When a 1,600-unit discrepancy between trackers over a 30-week period seems big, you know it's time to launch a more expensive version of the system.
 
J

James Scott

Banned
BrokenJohnCena said:
Wonder if Nintendo will invest in some casual friendly IPs like Nintendo or Brain Training

It's just like the original ds,it didn't even need monster hunter to sell over 30 million consoles.Nintendo's entire first party Ips alone are more than enough
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Brain training and Nintendogs seem ripe for a mobile come back.
 
V

Vena

Member
MatrixMan.EXE said:
This isn't going to happen. They already have a Monster Hunter game on their platform and will continue to receive Monster Hunter games for the foreseeable future. They have absolutely no reason to shop around and partner with other third parties to fill a void that doesn't even exist, with games that won't sell anything close to what Monster Hunter sells anyway.
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Its actually not a terrible idea, the 2+ million gamers in Japan who bought 4U/X but won't be buying World aren't all going to cease to exist overnight, after all.

Its not even a case of needing to shop around, there's a definite vacuum on the co-op hunting (or just general co-op action) genre on the system since the only current feed on it is a low-effort port that got more marketing from Nintendo than it did from Capcom.

And for a system like the Switch which Nintendo has been pushing hard for that co-op action (the verb, not the genre), finding a game to fill that void makes fairly logical sense. If Capcom's offering on the genre/hole won't show up for a year or more (and if Nintendo was well aware of this years in advance), you could conceivably see a new project fill that void. And it could come around fairly quickly.
Hell, for as little as we know of Retro's project, *it* could be a MH clone where you kill monsters to make steaks!

Realistically, a new MH won't (and really can't) show up on the Switch until 2019. If it shows up in 2018, it undermines the notion of GaaS/long-term revenue tail on World. That's 9-moths of 2017, 12 moths of 2018, and X months of 2019. That's an enormous vacuum of time on a very software-hungry system with a good forward momentum (and also a good amount of time for you to lose your entire unserved audience but that's a problem for Capcom) on a product (and given sales trends, audience) that *loves* this type of co-op game. If you're a project manager either for Nintendo or a third-party, that's a very hot underserved market that you know existed as late as just last year (X/Generations). Why wouldn't you want to try and tap it or, in Nintendo's case, try to tap it and not have to deal with Capcom?

I think this actually a *prime* opportunity for someone to eat Capcom's lunch for a market they've seemingly taken for granted. This is the first time that we'll have a situation where it isn't a "clone" on console vs. an active and successful MH audience on handheld, but a MH on console and a potential "clone" on a handheld with 2+ million of the aforementioned active audience completely unserved for XY months.
 
S

Sterok

Member
Before we were making the Souls comparisons my first thought was that Monolith Soft was making some sort of hunting game.
 
F

Fisico

Member
Man I was bored reading pages and pages of Monster Hunter shitstorm again and again so I skipped straight from page 7 to this one and it's still not over?

Would be nice a to have a filter that automatically removed every post Monster Hunter related once you click on it.

Still 4 months to go before launch *sigh*
 
V

Vena

Member
AquaWateria said:
Lol Retro making a Monster Hunter game.

Shit would be hilarious.
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To Retro's credit, they have showed impeccable skill at adapting a series they have never previously worked with into phenomenal games.

Not that I was being serious, but as a studio, they definitely have a golden thumb for mechanical excellence.
 
G

Gotdatmoney

Member
Can anyone explain why KT is releasing 3 games on the same system on the same day? Is there like any logical reason for this? I'm struggling here.
 
B

BrokenJohnCena

Member
There is no need for a monster hunter clone either,all Nintendo needs to do right now is to swallow that empty coop action rpg hole right now and that's it
 
A

AdventureRacing

Member
Fisico said:
Man I was bored reading pages and pages of Monster Hunter shitstorm again and again so I skipped straight from page 7 to this one and it's still not over?

Would be nice a to have a filter that automatically removed every post Monster Hunter related once you click on it.

Still 4 months to go before launch *sigh*
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It will only get worse after release.
 
Godzilla's Left Toe

Godzilla's Left Toe

Member
OrbitalBeard said:
I think if you're a Monster Hunter fan living in Japan and own a Switch, you're going to be just fine, though not for awhile.

I think if you're a Monster Hunter fan living in the west and own a Switch, I'd probably be a bit wary of the future.

My guess is Monster Hunter on Switch will receive little to no western support from Capcom. It will not launch globally on day one, Nintendo will handle marketing, and they may even be the publisher outside of Japan.

I think Monster Hunter World + its DLC and expansions will be Capcom USA's priority for the foreseeable future.
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This is my expectation.
 
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Mory Dunz

Member
AdventureRacing said:
It will only get worse after release.
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"ouch, bad holds for MH"

"lol, what are you talking about? That's good for ___ reasons"

"sure, but not comapred to _____. Capcpcame won't be happy"

"Oh, please enlighten us about Capcom's expectations."

"The salt that PS4's "big game" isn't doing better than ___ is real"

"The salt that japan's holy savior doesn't have the "big game" is real"

call me tony romo
edit: well actually 3/4 of this happens daily already
 
L

Lizardus

Member
Mory Dunz said:
"ouch, bad holds for MH"

"lol, what are you talking about? That's good for ___ reasons"

"sure, but not comapred to _____. Capcpcame won't be happy"

"Oh, please enlighten us about Capcom's expectations."

"The salt that PS4's "big game" isn't doing better than ___ is real"

"The salt that japan's holy savior doesn't have the "big game" is real"

call me tony romo
edit: well actually 3/4 of this happens daily already
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Forgot the "_____ is a beast" comment.
 
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Jon Carter

Member
Mory Dunz said:
"ouch, bad holds for MH"

"lol, what are you talking about? That's good for ___ reasons"

"sure, but not comapred to _____. Capcpcame won't be happy"

"Hey, guys, _____ released on mobile today. What do you think?"

"Oh, please enlighten us about Capcom's expectations."

"The salt that PS4's "big game" isn't doing better than ___ is real"

"The salt that japan's holy savior doesn't have the "big game" is real"
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Fixed.
 
C

cw_sasuke

If all DLC came tied to $13 figurines, I'd consider all DLC to be free
MatrixMan.EXE said:
This isn't going to happen. They already have a Monster Hunter game on their platform and will continue to receive Monster Hunter games for the foreseeable future. They have absolutely no reason to shop around and partner with other third parties to fill a void that doesn't even exist, with games that won't sell anything close to what Monster Hunter sells anyway.
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Who is saying anything about shopping around? Or do you think Nintendo had to pay for Octopath or SMT announcements? Switch is the future of the portable market and balling. Ever publisher that has a MH type title in works will likely be in talks to Nintendo and talk about the business side like how and when to best launch the game if they care for that market.

Not even talking about exclusivity but when titles like Godeater 3 hit on Switch that's likely where the marketing focus will be. I still hope to see a FF Explorers type game from SE for the Switch with a higher budget.

All other players won't just wait until Capcom decides to bring a game to Switch...as said you will see announcements as early as next year regarding this market.
 
Bruno MB

Bruno MB

Member
Prediction League August 2017 Results

Congratulations to:

- Prototype Viktor, for winning by units!
- Chris1964, for winning by mean error %!

Code: 
    BY UNITS                                                         BY MEAN ERROR %

    1              Prototype Viktor            59.016                1                  Chris1964               44,99%
    2                  Chris1964               94.207                2              Prototype Viktor            46,15%
    3                  casiopao               110.271                3                  Bruno MB                64,02%
    4                  Bruno MB               121.271                4                    DKHF                  64,04%
    5                  LordKano               130.271                5                  casiopao                64,28%
    6                 astrogamer              132.271                6                 Yagami_Sama              64,32%
    7                 Skullwaker              135.271                7                 astrogamer               64,79%
    8                   Hawkens               135.271                8                   Yeshua                 68,27%
    9                   Yeshua                137.891                9                  LordKano                69,25%
    10                   DKHF                 141.165                10                Skullwaker               70,51%
    11                 dno_1966               145.271                11                  DrWong                 71,86%
    12          Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule       146.271                12          Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule        74,44%
    13                   Eolz                 158.271                13                 dno_1966                75,06%
    14                Yagami_Sama             159.898                14                   Eolz                  75,15%
    15                  DrWong                165.271                15               TheLegendaryN             75,34%
    16                 Mr Swine               175.281                16                 Mr Swine                77,47%
    17               TheLegendaryN            189.891                17                  Hawkens                79,85%
    18                  noshten               238.271                18                  noshten                96,62%

Code: 
                                                   Famitsu    Yeshua  Yagami_SamChris1964    DKHF   Prototype  Mr Swine TheLegenda  DrWong  astrogamerDaphnes No LordKano Skullwaker noshten   Hawkens   dno_1966  Bruno MB    Eolz    casiopao
            [PS4] New Everybody's Golf             144.511   120.000   132.183   123.456   153.476   166.000   131.400    90.000   135.000   124.000   200.000   175.000   175.000   140.000   250.000   165.000   165.000   108.000   100.000
                 [PS4] Destiny 2                    74.713   120.000    97.543    89.012   130.398    66.001   126.000   170.000   105.000    87.000   120.000    85.000    90.000   165.000    90.000    95.000   115.000   112.000   100.000
         [PS4] Uncharted: The Lost Legacy           26.641    40.000    33.876    34.567    50.687    44.700    67.890   100.000    43.000    65.000    80.000    60.000    65.000    65.000    65.000    65.000    75.000    79.000    50.000
           [3DS] Metroid: Samus Returns             36.310    15.000    47.876    45.678    29.913    35.000    16.800    35.000    85.000    40.000    41.000    55.000    45.000    44.000    50.000    55.000    40.000    54.000    40.000
        [PS4] Marvel vs. Capcom: Infinite           10.105    30.000    56.765    56.789    41.431    26.000    56.000    22.000    60.000    60.000    35.000    50.000    50.000    39.000    50.000    45.000    36.000    47.000    30.000
            [NSW] Pokken Tournament DX              51.960    90.000   123.567    67.890    75.671    67.000    69.300    60.000    72.000    80.000    70.000    80.000    85.000   125.000    80.000    85.000    55.000    66.000    90.000

Code: 
                    STATISTICS                     FAMITSU   GAF_AVG    UNDER      OVER      MIN       MAX              CLOSEST BY
            [PS4] New Everybody's Golf             144.511   147.418     61%       39%      90.000   250.000         140.000 noshten
                 [PS4] Destiny 2                    74.713   109.053      6%       94%      66.001   170.000     66.001 Prototype Viktor
         [PS4] Uncharted: The Lost Legacy           26.641    60.207      0%       100%     33.876   100.000        33.876 Yagami_Sama
           [3DS] Metroid: Samus Returns             36.310    43.015     28%       72%      15.000    85.000      35.000 Protoype Viktor
        [PS4] Marvel vs. Capcom: Infinite           10.105    43.944      0%       100%     22.000    60.000       22.000 TheLegendaryN
            [NSW] Pokken Tournament DX              51.960    80.079      0%       100%     55.000   123.567         55.000 Bruno MB

Mess!

Note: Max percentage error is capped at 150%.
 
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BrokenJohnCena

Member
cw_sasuke said:
Who is saying anything about shopping around? Or do you think Nintendo had to pay for Octopath or SMT announcements? Switch is the future of the portable market and balling. Ever publisher that has a MH type title in works will likely be in talks to Nintendo and talk about the business side like how and when to best launch the game if they care for that market.

Not even talking about exclusivity but when titles like Godeater 3 hit on Switch that's likely where the marketing focus will be. I still hope to see a FF Explorers type game from SE for the Switch with a higher budget.

All other players won't just wait until Capcom decides to bring a game to Switch...as said you will see announcements as early as next year regarding this market.
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I don't think GE3 will be on switch,it's too late for Bamco to do anything right now.There could be a coop action rpg that eat that piece of the cake that capcom left on the table,but it doesn't have to be a hunting game
 
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Oregano

Member
Switch already has its go-to co-op action game and it's going to be bigger than any Monster Hunter game release this gen.

Splatoon-2-Salmon-Run-1200x520.jpg


cw_sasuke said:
Who is saying anything about shopping around? Or do you think Nintendo had to pay for Octopath or SMT announcements? Switch is the future of the portable market and balling. Ever publisher that has a MH type title in works will likely be in talks to Nintendo and talk about the business side like how and when to best launch the game if they care for that market.

Not even talking about exclusivity but when titles like Godeater 3 hit on Switch that's likely where the marketing focus will be. I still hope to see a FF Explorers type game from SE for the Switch with a higher budget.

All other players won't just wait until Capcom decides to bring a game to Switch...as said you will see announcements as early as next year regarding this market.
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The only remaining Hunting Action games were already moving to the PS4. They will only be bolstered by the market leader doing the same. God Eater would never have it's marketing focus on Switch, even if it did release there.
 
K

Kodiak

Not an asshole.
Okay with Switch sales this strong and no new Sony portable, imma need Persona 5 Golden on Switch now, please.
 
M

MatrixMan.EXE

Member
cw_sasuke said:
Who is saying anything about shopping around? Or do you think Nintendo had to pay for Octopath or SMT announcements? Switch is the future of the portable market and balling. Ever publisher that has a MH type title in works will likely be in talks to Nintendo and talk about the business side like how and when to best launch the game if they care for that market.

Not even talking about exclusivity but when titles like Godeater 3 hit on Switch that's likely where the marketing focus will be. I still hope to see a FF Explorers type game from SE for the Switch with a higher budget.

All other players won't just wait until Capcom decides to bring a game to Switch...as said you will see announcements as early as next year regarding this market.
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You said that you think they will work with 3rd parties to fill the void. Hunting action games in development in Japan will likely end up on Switch given the system that it is, but Nintendo has no reason to proactively partner with third parties to "fill a void" left by a franchise that will see releases on the Switch for years to come. Why? Because Nintendo knows that Monster Hunter still has a future on the Switch, even if their fans don't just yet.

Vena said:
Its actually not a terrible idea, the 2+ million gamers in Japan who bought 4U/X but won't be buying World aren't all going to cease to exist overnight, after all.

Its not even a case of needing to shop around, there's a definite vacuum on the co-op hunting (or just general co-op action) genre on the system since the only current feed on it is a low-effort port that got more marketing from Nintendo than it did from Capcom.

And for a system like the Switch which Nintendo has been pushing hard for that co-op action (the verb, not the genre), finding a game to fill that void makes fairly logical sense. If Capcom's offering on the genre/hole won't show up for a year or more (and if Nintendo was well aware of this years in advance), you could conceivably see a new project fill that void. And it could come around fairly quickly.
Hell, for as little as we know of Retro's project, *it* could be a MH clone where you kill monsters to make steaks!

Realistically, a new MH won't (and really can't) show up on the Switch until 2019. If it shows up in 2018, it undermines the notion of GaaS/long-term revenue tail on World. That's 9-moths of 2017, 12 moths of 2018, and X months of 2019. That's an enormous vacuum of time on a very software-hungry system with a good forward momentum (and also a good amount of time for you to lose your entire unserved audience but that's a problem for Capcom) on a product (and given sales trends, audience) that *loves* this type of co-op game. If you're a project manager either for Nintendo or a third-party, that's a very hot underserved market that you know existed as late as just last year (X/Generations). Why wouldn't you want to try and tap it or, in Nintendo's case, try to tap it and not have to deal with Capcom?

I think this actually a *prime* opportunity for someone to eat Capcom's lunch for a market they've seemingly taken for granted. This is the first time that we'll have a situation where it isn't a "clone" on console vs. an active and successful MH audience on handheld, but a MH on console and a potential "clone" on a handheld with 2+ million of the aforementioned active audience completely unserved for XY months.
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Heh, 2019 isn't that far away. Unless something is in development already, no developer is going to spot that void on the Switch now and begin developing a game that will release before the next Monster Hunter Switch title. Given that timescale, I still see no need for Nintendo to partner with anyone, especially considering how many of you keep saying that Nintendo doesn't need Monster Hunter to be successful. Third parties will try and take advantage of this gap with games that are maybe already in development, but Nintendo has zero need to do anything other than keep doing what they're doing until the next MH game for Switch hits.
 
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