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PBY

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Dee Dah Dave said:
That's the sites second biggest problem behind all the radical leftist echo chamber crap. Sony fanboys shitting up gaming side with the mods obviously in on the act. The Xbox threads take the brunt of it and most aren't worth reading because of it. Not a ban in site for the daily repeat offenders, yet start posting junk in a Sony thread and watch how quick the red and grey names appear. Pathetic.

NeoGAF should take a long hard look at it's mission statement on the front page because the actual running and discourse of the forum is the polar opposite.
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"radical leftist echo chamber"

fuck what this is becoming.
 
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SoldierOfLight

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I'm happy to see Neogaf being returned and with these allegations which I have only read about through outside sources are pretty serious, I do hope to see the community return to what it was before.

Long live GAF
 
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Anarion07

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Randam said:
Did she say she was?

She never used rape AFAIK and didn't accuse Evilore.

She just made a #metoo post about a situation that at the time made her uncomfortable.
That they kept having contact, doesn't change that.

She shouldn't have named evilore, but after she did he reacted really bad.
Could have said, yeah I was drunk, read some signs wrong, made her uncomfortable, but nothing else happened. She never stayed more happened either.
Instead no statement at all for several days and he tried to sweep it under the rug, with deleting of posts and banning of people.

That pissed of the rest of the team and leat to all this.
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No, I was responding to someone with that.
 
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compo

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This statement was sad to read. Aside from the flat out denial of the sexual assault without EviLore mentioning his own version of what happened (which is a bit of a red flag to me), I'm concerned about the hints of cracking down on NeoGAF's liberal slant. That was the entire reason why I joined this site. Having a liberal status quo goes against the grain of gaming culture, so it was an amazing feat that this forum was able to maintain that for so long. But it looks like EviLore and the new mod team don't want anything to do with that anymore.

And it's completely baffling that EviLore wouldn't step down in this situation, just on principle alone.

I'm not going to commit account suicide, unless I get banned for this, but it looks like the forum formerly know as GAF is done with. It's so sad that it happened so suddenly.
 
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PhantomThief

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eso76 said:
Poor line of defense, especially coming from the alleged perpetrator, but i mean, the girl accused someone to have assaulted her (later in the same facebook post she says she was harassed no less than 4 times on the street up until that moment that day) and later had a consensual sexual relationship with the assaulter.
Uhm. Well i am at least considering the possibility that what he said isn't far from the truth, although he certianly shouldn't be the one to say that given his position in this

People can go on and believe all women always tell the truth and mean good, i've had my share of false accusations and property damaged in retaliation :D and i personally know a few women who tried very hard to dig up episodes of their lives that can be skewed or altered just enough to allow them to post the hashtag.

People's heads work in weird ways and it's not gender related.
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Except she only gave his name when other woman asked about who it was? She didnt go out and about to accuse him. She didnt go to Kotaku. She put a message on her private facebook.
 
dealer-

dealer-

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sephi22 said:
Nope. You can do that here, on new NeoGAF.
ResetEra is for people who liked the NeoGAF that existed last week.
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Yeah, there is always a political slant to everything.

I initially thought that just gaming with movies, music etc in off topic would be a good idea but the inability to talk about certain topics and share certain views just caters towards those on the other side of the political spectrum.
 
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Palpable

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Subpar Scrub said:
Mods, please don't delete this message. It's unfair to those trying to reconnect with friends or groups who have decided to shift their platform of communication over the last few days.

There's a site going up in day or two called ResetEra. Lots of Gaf regulars and top-notch posters will be there running the show. Can't promise this message won't be deleted by mods, but if you want to reconnect with a lot of users there, get ready.

Discord chatrooms with thousands of gaffers are ready, but have been locked due to 4chan trolls.

Spread the word through PM's if you have to or want to.



You're good people. Hopefully see you there.
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“top-notch posters”...
 
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TheLostBigBoss

Banned
PBY said:
"radical leftist echo chamber"

fuck what this is becoming.
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I thought it was going to take a week

Gonna be a faster death and festering of the shitheads than anyone could have thought.

All because someone got their feelings hurt and couldn't admit to being embarrassed and rejected. Horrible opinions were suppressed because they knew their shit wouldn't fly.

Now it's time to speak up and show the world just how many horrible people there are on GAF!
 
Mahadev

Mahadev

Member
Caipirinha said:
Don't call yourself a leftist if you don't understand that the class system determines all social justice including gender discrimination.

If you don't understand that then you are not a leftist, simple as that. it is the most basic tenet there is and very few people on GAF seem to even be aware of that let alone understand it.
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Bingo. They key to a better society was, is and will always be great education and a stable financial environment only leftist economic policies can provide. Screaming at anyone who disagrees with you and calling him a Nazi not only doesn't solve the problem but in fact makes it much worse.
 
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The Shadow Knight

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For every beginning there must be an end.
Under no circumstances had I imagined it to come this soon tho.
Can't blame any of the former staff for up and leaving.
Knowing a little bit about what went down...

Even if this forum is up again it won't ever be the same.
Validating the values of the guy in charge implicitly by sticking around just seems wrong.
I don't want to have anything to do with it, that's for sure.
Let's not forget about the good times tho,
Of which many were had...
Returning to those might still be possible.
Even if it certainly won't be in this place.

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See ya'll on the flip side.
-TSK
 
appaws

appaws

Banned
PBY said:
"radical leftist echo chamber"

fuck what this is becoming.
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Dee Dah Dave is right. It was, and maybe still will be.

Maybe the worst of the SJW crowd will head over to some new place in a continued spate of virtue signalling hissy fits. Then we can talk about games, and maybe even other stuff, and have respect for people with diverse views.
 
cucuchu

cucuchu

Member
Per Evilore, I won't claim I know the facts and I've always been a huge proponent of innocent until proven guilty so it would be hypocritical of me to condemn him for claims that may be baseless. If they do turn out to be true, then I will blacklist this site as long as he is a part of it and have nothing but disdain for him because on top of everything that he has done, he would of then lied to his community as well. However as of now, there is no proof and I'll hold to visiting and posting here because its still one of the best gaming communities despite the minority of asshats that have given it a bad name...

I think the fact that so many journalists and gaming personalities, along with their audience, took the opportunity to celebrate the possible demise of NEOGAF speaks to something. Its a hard pill to swallow but there was some serious hive-mind mentality that would take over at times. You have your intolerant right and then you have your extreme intolerant left and the latter was in full force here, shutting down anyone that dare thought outside that hive-mind and labeling that person as a nazi, racist, whatever.

That being said, the gaming discussions on here are second to none and I think 90% of the NEOGAF community are good people with good intentions that just want to discuss games and have civil discussions about everything from movies to politics. Maybe some self-reflecting is due here though because if you have ever been someone that is part of the group that the rest of the gaming community seems to loathe, think about the effects of your words and if its simply to make you feel better to shout someone down for not seeing things the same way you do, then is it really worth saying? Its only going to harden people's resolve with the opposite stance as you.

I don't know if Neogaf will live on but if it does then we should take this as a lesson learned
 
MikeBison

MikeBison

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TarpitCarnivore said:
That’s the point I’m making, trauma is trauma. You can’t imply a situation wasn’t bad just because it didn’t go worse.
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Sorry, typo. Wasn't agreeing with you. Should have said catcalling isn't as traumatic as rape.

However, I wouldn't belittle someone's claimed of being traumatised at catcalling. But they're clearly not as bad as each other.
 
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OCD Guy

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Sordid said:
This girl omitted one thing from her initial Facebook post so she has no credibility but Evilore, with his revenge porn, arse grabbing, ban anyone who disagrees with him past still has credibility? I don't quite get your mathematics, my dude.
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I like how you brush it under the carpet: "One thing".

It was a pretty big thing she failed to mention, and it would certainly have produced a different reaction had she said "I then got into a relationship with him after". I'm sure that would get brought up if it ever went to court.

For some people it put's the question of how serious it actually was if she felt comfortable enough to later engage in sex and a relationship with him.

Yes as some people say it has probably happened where someone who is sexually harassed later get's into a relationship with that person, but that's certainly going to be rare....

I also think it's quite a valid question to ask "Why would you get into a relationship with him if he sexually harassed you?"
 
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PBY

Banned
appaws said:
Dee Dah Dave is right. It was, and maybe still will be.

Maybe the worst of the SJW crowd will head over to some new place in a continued spate of virtue signalling hissy fits. Then we can talk about games, and maybe even other stuff, and have respect for people with diverse views.
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"Diverse views" based on this post sounds like the worst sewage of the internet.

This isn't a safe space for women or minorities.
 
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Diablos

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Coolio McAwesome said:
Politics corrupted this site and turned it into a toxic echo chamber. It hasn't been a good place to discuss games in a while. To illustrate my point, I'll ask you to consider the following.

The OT for a Hat in Time had 5 pages of replies in two weeks it was opened. It's one of the best games of the year, and nobody cared.

This shitty thread about JonTron's bit role in the game had 26 pages of replies over a two-day period before it was finally locked. That sure as fuck doesn't sound like the "Nexus of Hardcore Gaming" to me.

NeoGAF was the place to be if you wanted to jump into the dumpster fire of identity politics. If you actually wanted to talk about video games, you were better off looking elsewhere.

This forum's only chance of survival is to prevent the cancer from coming back. I know a bunch of sanctimonious bigots have left to start their own forum, but it's going to be fueled by the same toxic garbage that killed this place.

For what it's worth, those cowards didn't leave because they found out about these allegations. They left because they knew everyone else was going to find out about them. They obviously have no moral high ground, and it's only a matter of time before their new forum is enveloped in a scandal of its own. The past few years have not been kind to fake progressives so-called allies. I won't go into any details here, but let's just say that Amir0x was in good company with those guys.
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Okay, first of all we obviously all need to take a step back and realize the forum's leadership made a decision to stay out of OT and especially political discourse. I don't necessarily like that decision but it is the one that has been made, perhaps some things will change as time goes on and frustrations die down but all we can do is wait and see.

I understand that you've seen some things transpire that may have upset you, but I think what you are missing is that "politics" post-2016 has been injected into everything, not just NeoGAF. The polarization we are seeing is a generational challenge in my opinion, and it's happening everywhere. The thread about JonTron that you reference is more of an example of this and not a gaming forum aspiring to be political over anything else. Even the NFL is dealing with it. People have very strong opinions about the state of affairs and it's not abnormal to see this kind of discourse lately, whether it's on a gaming forum or in your workplace. If the mods are taking an active approach to cracking down on that, so be it, but I think there will be instances where it's going to be hard to separate politics from gaming (net neutrality, anyone?)

There were plenty of gaming topics that did not get political before -- I'd argue the vast majority of them didn't -- and I hope that will continue to be the case. For example, if I was frustrated with something political I would often browse the gaming side to take my mind off of that. I think you are taking your frustrations with a select few instances and applying it to the totality of this forum's discourse which really isn't a fair assessment. The past year may have seemed more political than usual, but again, it has basically been that way everywhere, online and offline. Either way, any kind of OT discussion isn't in the mix right now, forcing an exclusively gaming-centered discussion.

As for the former mod you speak of, just because he happened to be involved in political discussion does not mean the person he turned out to be implies that everyone else he talked to here was just like him outside of common political views. You will find over the years that there are individuals all along the political spectrum that aren't who you think they are and in the worst way.
 
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Albino_Yeti

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Subpar Scrub said:
Stop it, dude. You've consistently been one of the more vocal "unpleasant" posters here since I joined and this shift in direction has only emboldened you.
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Sorry you feel like I've been an unpleasant poster. I don't know what I did, except maybe say that I was getting tired of all the political talk.
 
Starfield

Starfield

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Imo the moderation Team should be reshaped and rebuilt. Nothing personal against any of you mods im just saying.


The site owner story is something completely else though.
 
John Wick

John Wick

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Living the Dream said:
I don’t understand this utter resentment and hatred toward EvilOre and the mods.

There was zero proof of any wrongdoing and this country is all about innocent until proven guilty. The fact that she even later admitted they had relations negates her story of “harassment”.

I’m happy GAF is back, though not fully. All these people committing account suicide and attacking others is just plain dumb.
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I'm all for women being protected from sexual harassment and abuse. But I just don't understand why would she have a physical relationship with someone she claims sexually harassed her??? Why??? Something doesn't add up in this story.
Why is it whenever a woman makes an allegation it's instantly accepted that the male is guilty? Why? It's guilty until proven innocent when it comes to men but the other way round for women
 
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ExVicis

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psychowave said:
Because I wanna make sure the website I'm posting on is not, in fact, run by someone who posts revenge porn? Why is that so fucking hard to understand? Good for you if your reaction to several people independently accusing a guy of posting revenge porn is "whatever lol". Not all of us can afford to have that kind of reaction.
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It wasn't but thanks for continually bringing in things that has nothing to do with the discussion. You want to be antagonistic because of some GGers said some 3 years ago be my guest, but that sure as hell doesn't mean you're a better person because of it.

Especially if your tactic for "retorting" is to literally make up things I'm saying while playing victim cards like this is some trading card game and they're trap cards.
 
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TheLostBigBoss

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appaws said:
Dee Dah Dave is right. It was, and maybe still will be.

Maybe the worst of the SJW crowd will head over to some new place in a continued spate of virtue signalling hissy fits. Then we can talk about games, and maybe even other stuff, and have respect for people with diverse views.
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Now that this is a safe space for the alt right, tell us what you mean when you say SJW?

After all, having a diverse views on things is important
 
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His Majesty

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Beowulf28 said:
Happy for y’all who’s conscience is malleable enough to let them stay here but I’m out of here

#FuckElfLord
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I'm sorry but I don't think you get to condescendingly wave goodbye from your moral high horse when you are still here today after all those previous allegations of sexual misconduct against Evilore.
 
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TyrantII

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Kayhan said:
Can we PLEASE bring back the old posters who helped make GAF a fun, helpful and interesting place?

This list is a good start.
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That list is migrating to greener pastures without baggage.



EviLore needs to do better than this statement. Looks like it's done it's job of splitting the community right down the middle and providing cover, toxicity be damned.

When push comes to shove you tend to get a read on people. This one isn't flattering.
 
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psychowave

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ExVicis said:
It wasn't but thanks for continually bringing in things that has nothing to do with the discussion. You want to be antagonistic because of some GGers said some 3 years ago be my guest, but that sure as hell doesn't mean you're a better person because of it.

Especially if your tactic to "retort" is to literally make up things I'm saying while playing victim cards like this is some trading card game and they're trap cards.
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what GGers
what the fuck are you talking about
 
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PhantomThief

Banned
appaws said:
Dee Dah Dave is right. It was, and maybe still will be.

Maybe the worst of the SJW crowd will head over to some new place in a continued spate of virtue signalling hissy fits. Then we can talk about games, and maybe even other stuff, and have respect for people with diverse views.
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Dont use the dumb word SJW man.

It makes you look like a tool.
 
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Rushersauce

Banned
appaws said:
Dee Dah Dave is right. It was, and maybe still will be.

Maybe the worst of the SJW crowd will head over to some new place in a continued spate of virtue signalling hissy fits. Then we can talk about games, and maybe even other stuff, and have respect for people with diverse views.
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Ayyy the "SJW" ruining everything!

Shut the fuck up.

And if "respecting different views" is letting scum like Spencer speak (or being outraged because he got what he deserved) then, fuck off even harder.
Neo Nazis need to disappear.
 
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Mayyhem

Member
Subpar Scrub said:
Mods, please don't delete this message. It's unfair to those trying to reconnect with friends or groups who have decided to shift their platform of communication over the last few days.

There's a site going up in day or two called ResetEra. Lots of Gaf regulars and top-notch posters will be there running the show. Can't promise this message won't be deleted by mods, but if you want to reconnect with a lot of users there, get ready.

Discord chatrooms with thousands of gaffers are ready, but have been locked due to 4chan trolls.

Spread the word through PM's if you have to or want to.



You're good people. Hopefully see you there.
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No thanks. GAF will get back to normal, the vocal minority of members creating ResetEra seem to be most of the same lot who made OT so cancerous.
 
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