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Next-gen Racing Graphics Face-off | (Next-gen means current-gen)
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Senua
Gold Member
Nothing at all, people can post what they like.
Bunta_Fujiwara
Member
Nothing wrong but he compares them to GT7 on much weaker hardware saying that only he makes fair comparisons and calling emula a troll which at least uses screenchots taken from console versions of both games
nemiroff
Gold Member
Eh, I don't get it.. Platform shouldn't matter as long as the context and underlying facts are not hidden on purpose.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
It's fair to use PC here because, again, it's about the best.
Turk1993
GAFs #1 source for car graphic comparisons
Never said that i am the only one thats making fair comparisons, why are you always lying?
Because he is, stop acting stupid. You know very well what hes tryna do. You posted his comparison and said that it was in visual mode which was a lie. Than you posted his comparison where he fucked the image on purpose by using the bug to overexpose and desaturate his image. He admited this shit even on his account and said that he didn't care because it was a glitch and its not his fault while doing it on purpose. And hes using the shittest tod and weather on Forza vs the best cherrypicked image on GT7 to compare them. His tod and weather is not even matching in his comparison most of the time. And most of his car model comparisons are in scape mode where the car models and graphics in GT7 gets a significant boost because its in a 2d space with only 1 car model. And his photomode shots are the same, enhanced graphics vs the same in game graphics.
And you know what i find funny. I am literally showing all the things that T10 fucked up with FM on pc so that they can fix it or update it. And i have showing the good and bad without caring what game comes on top. I have literally complained about the stuff that was lacking in FM when i analysed the game. Yet some trolls think that im cherry picking for Forza smh.
Monad
Member
Imagine been in the position of this guy, defending Emula86’s troll shots while bitching against Turk1993, who provides the best apples to apples comparisons around there and has been among the main critics of the current state of the new Forza Motorsport.
On top of that, complaining about hardware parity in this thread, where even Assetto Corsa with mods has been discussed.
GAF and their clowns at its finest.
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I'm starting to believe that you even believe what you say. I'm even starting to think that you are undercover Emula or a family member because there is no way to be more dishonest.
"He use console material"
He uses screenshots where he compares GT7 escape mode vs performance mode in FM. Use GT7 photo mode captures where LOds and other aspects increase compared to FM photo mode where nothing is improved. Use the worst conditions in FM (even buged) to harm the maximum against a GT7 capture in the best possible situation.
In short, he is a troll, just like those who do the same thing in the opposite direction to favor FM but you want to pretend that they are not the same.
Bunta_Fujiwara
Member
Prove it lol, just make the same photos ingame of both games and let's see if these screenshots that i've posted (where you can even see the hud whereas in photomode you can not activate it) are photomode shots or not...
Here the differences are like in emula screenshots, so also motogames tv are trolls now i bet
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Bunta_Fujiwara
Member
Monad
Member
Nice joke
So far, you're the only joke in the thread.
Average troll level..Nice joke
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
True story. Watching this trailer on a 4k tv in bestbuy convinced me to buy a 4k hdr tv. the night time shots at the nascar track looked godly back then.
SimTourist
Member
Turk, can you do some comparison shots with ACC? I find it a bit crazy that a small team like Kunos can keep up with the big boys with unlimited money.
Turk1993
GAFs #1 source for car graphic comparisons
Already done it, will post it when im back from work.
Bunta_Fujiwara
Member
You are the clown saying that GT looks gameish compared to forza enought said...
djjinx2
Member
But it does? I can relate to that.
GT looks great and excels in certain areas (car detail for one). But it does have a more gamey look, colours and lighting mainly
Bunta_Fujiwara
Member
It seems you never walked outside your house to say that...GT hands down has the most natural and photorealistic lighting in the racing scene,real life doesn't look washed out like on forza...
alucard0712_rus
Member
There are saturation and exposition sliders exactly for this...
djjinx2
Member
Lighting?
Anyway I'm out, they both look great but one provides a more natural real look, it can be seen in many videos or with your own eyes. Arseholes and opinions right?
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Monad
Member
It basically boils down to this.
Without going into the modeling of the cars or the level of detail and fidelity of the circuits, something that immediately stands out about the new Forza is the lighting system it employs, especially in clear and sunny conditions (because cloudy or at night we can agree that almost all games have the potential to look good).
I'm not saying that the visuals as a whole are inferior on GT7, but it clearly falls below in the lighting and colorimetry department (and that's considering the release version of Forza Motorsport came out without RTGI, which would increase the gap even more).
One only needs to look at the thumbnail of the video posted by the troll above to realize that GT7 has a lollipop effect on the red Corvette, accompanied by colors in the environment far from real life:
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alucard0712_rus
Member
Yeah, it's more of a taste thing. Also HDR can oversaturate colors if not calibrated properly. GT is supposed to look like that, 'better than reality' as Kaz said. (he meant as beautiful as it can get, obviously)
Bunta_Fujiwara
Member
That's how pearl paints are supposed to work in real life,on forza it looks that the car has matte paint when it's not the case.
You are trying to deny even the far superior color reproduction that Polyphony are able to reproduce compared to their rivals
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Monad
Member
I'm not trying to deny anything, GT7's color reproduction (although at base level it may be correct) is saturated and looks very gameish in less advantageous lighting conditions (daytime and when the sky is clear).
Your video doesn't prove anything because there is a heavy post processing work behind it and we are talking about the standard red color of the C8 Corvette, I have seen it many times in real life and I'm telling you that a clearer approximation of how your eyes see it is something like this:
Also, just look at the background of Watkins Glen in the video you posted, you can try to twist reality all you want, but it's undeniable that GT7 looks much more "gamey" here:
By that I mean does Forza Motorsport look better or is it perfect? Of course not, but it's foolish to deny that GT7 goes a step beyond photorealism in pursuit of hyperrealism (as Yamauchi stated at the time) while Turn10 has opted for a more natural look in detriment of spectacularity (similar to iRacing, which is also flat and much uglier, but realistic in the life-like tone it aims to achieve).
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Emet_bp
Member
You should seriously look outside or at least on a picture taken with a quite good quality camera. Forza aims for the "bad camera" realistic look. GT7 aims of a "in person" or good camera realistic look. Many people (including you as it seems) seem to misunderstand this.
Edit: You can laugh as much as you want, but that does not change the fact. Even your comparison of Watkins Glen is nonsesne, where it's GT7 that looks a lot more natural and realistic. I don't know how anybody can look at theese pictures and say it's otherwise.
Make a three-way comparison GT7-Real-FM and then again say which one looks more realistic.
Don't even start a car paint and colors discussion because the difference in favor of GT7 is even bigger.
Edit: You can laugh as much as you want, but that does not change the fact. Even your comparison of Watkins Glen is nonsesne, where it's GT7 that looks a lot more natural and realistic. I don't know how anybody can look at theese pictures and say it's otherwise.
Make a three-way comparison GT7-Real-FM and then again say which one looks more realistic.
Don't even start a car paint and colors discussion because the difference in favor of GT7 is even bigger.
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Monad
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Team Andromeda
Member
Anyone who thinks GT7 looks better than FORZA either need a eye test a new TV or both
Insane Metal
Gold Member
I think GT7 looks amazing. But I have to summon
Turk1993
here, I noticed 2D trees in races intros and I can't unseen them now
I know they're there in races too but they're usually hard to spot when you're driving. In intros though, ugh.
Also, Forza does have 2D trees as well, although to a lesser degree.
Turk1993
here, I noticed 2D trees in races intros and I can't unseen them now I know they're there in races too but they're usually hard to spot when you're driving. In intros though, ugh.
Also, Forza does have 2D trees as well, although to a lesser degree.
CoreyFlawless
Member
Y’all over here fighting over what paint look right. Y’all know you can on both games change the paint. Not just colors, but peal, matte, metallic paint. One thing I do like is the forza weather and time of day. Different type of rains and different type of fogs. The smoke effect is amazing.
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SimTourist
Member
I think even people working at Turn10 and other studios would acknowledge that Polyphony's work on the car models is simply the best out there, when you look at the smallest details the effort put in is incredibly impressive.
MonkeyClaw36
Banned
Ikr?
Im laughing my balls off bacause of all the sad fuckers here trying to out bluff each other.
Get. A. Fucking. Life!!
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
You'd have to be insane if you think Forza's car models are better than GT7's.
You can see the care that goes into them but I prefer Forza's gameplay so much more than GT7's so that's were I spend my time.
Also I prefer Forza's car list such as the Escort Cosworth and Clio Williams.
I just would love Turn10 to have the same dedication but they obviously don't so there's nothing we can do.
Edit: I just can't get on with this game because of the lighting engine being used. It makes the cars look awful and the materials are ruined because of it.
You can see the care that goes into them but I prefer Forza's gameplay so much more than GT7's so that's were I spend my time.
Also I prefer Forza's car list such as the Escort Cosworth and Clio Williams.
I just would love Turn10 to have the same dedication but they obviously don't so there's nothing we can do.
Edit: I just can't get on with this game because of the lighting engine being used. It makes the cars look awful and the materials are ruined because of it.
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SkyHighTrees
Member
Color accuracy is much higher in GT7. There even was a comparison a couple pages back featuring Watkins Glen, gt was closer to real life. If no one posts it I'm going to do it later
FukuDaruma
Member
Look at that. A 13 people studio doing a proper cockpit cam that Kaz and his hundreds of employees at PD haven't done in 8 iterations of Gran Turismo across five console generations.
This game looks amazing.
This game looks amazing.
djjinx2
Member
Couple of FM photomode on Series X...
rofif
Banned
This actually looks insane. I wish GT7 did more FUN stuff like that moon race few games back.
DO I really want to get psvr2 again... and finally get gt7 ?!
Elysium44
Banned
What game is that please?
Insane Metal
Gold Member
The one on the right looks more real to my eyes, which is which?
Turk1993
GAFs #1 source for car graphic comparisons
I have edited the post and added which one is which.
right shots are acc, the race logic lap display gives it away
Insane Metal
Gold Member
The one above shows environments clearly more detailed in Forza, but the lighting, car details and overall look is more natural in ACC IMO.
SimTourist
Member
Important to remember that Kunos has only 30 workers total.