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[daakusedo]

That mario galaxy screen is enough to see there will be beautiful games for wiiu.
This particular game left an imprint (still talking graphically) in the landscape of this generation, and seeing how tech demos are now at a point where you have to know a bit about what's going on to be really "impressed", the good thing is that it will reinforce the need for strong art direction. I still get the sense that art is considered "bonus" in favor of tech, and sadly not just from gamers.

But still, the more problematic thing is ending this trend of middling support from third parties and being a viable console in this department against the two others.
Nothing is set in stone for now, and there are a lot of questions, like the level of downgrade from multiplatform games or not getting them at all.
I think the talk about wiiu power should be more in this direction, cause like I said, we know there will be impressive things.

 

[Easy_D]

Nothing for 3DS has been announced yet...

Yet. Why wouldn't they be making a 3DS Pokemon?

 

[BD1]

Iwata acknowledged poor sales in the West and specifically pointed to E3 as the time they will announce new software to turn that around. A bad June NPD will not shock or worry anyone at Nintendo, nor should it surprise or worry anyone here.

 

[walking fiend]

Yet. Why wouldn't they be making a 3DS Pokemon?

well, not for June and July at least.

The only 3DS games getting release from now till the end of July, worth mentioning, are Mario Tennis (and Heroes of Ruin which no one will buy anyway)

But maybe even DS games can spark 3DS sales?

 

[qq more]

Yet. Why wouldn't they be making a 3DS Pokemon?

Okay, come on. Did you really expect Nintendo to be announcing a major title and release it right away?

 

[Mithos]

WW HD shots never cease to amaze me; technique and art direction of the game is the definition of not getting old

Nintendos easiest game ever to re-release on Wii U in HD, add widescreen and up resolution to 1920x1080 and go through textures make sure there are no low-res blurry once present, DONE.

 

[BurntPork]

Yet. Why wouldn't they be making a 3DS Pokemon?

The fact that it's not announced yet means that it's well over a year away. Can 3DS even remain a viable platform in the west until then? It's already back to pre-price drop sales, which means it'll probably start losing support again.

 

[qq more]

Can 3DS even remain a viable platform in the west until then? It's already back to pre-price drop sales, which means it'll probably start losing support again.

Uh, yes it can. Did you forget about the upcoming Mario game? And Animal Crossing.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

So it has been supposed that the Wii U GPU has some nonstandard lighting capabilities. Does this make a lot of sense? I mean, it's not like lighting is something that Nintendo games use more than everyone else's. If there were a much more efficient way to go about common lighting functions, why wouldn't that already be part of the standard designs?

 

[muu]

Frankly, it's Ace Attorney. Unless the game turns out to be a steaming pile (which hasn't happened yet...), I'll be thrilled.

I remember being fairly impressed by Magic Carpet and Hi-Octane, actually. Not sure why I liked the latter, but I did, so it kind of holds some nostalgic factor for me.

For me it's always been Hi-Octane >>>>>> Wipeout. Screw superspeed cars, just get a 18-wheeler and nuke the shit out of everyone on the track!

 

[Lonely1]

The fact that it's not announced yet means that it's well over a year away. Can 3DS even remain a viable platform in the west until then? It's already back to pre-price drop sales, which means it'll probably start losing support again.

The DS never had good support in the west.

 

[Shadow Hog]

So it has been supposed that the Wii U GPU has some nonstandard lighting capabilities. Does this make a lot of sense? I mean, it's not like lighting is something that Nintendo games use more than everyone else's. If there were a much more efficient way to go about common lighting functions, why wouldn't that already be part of the standard designs?

Nonstandard in what way? I mean, does it support UE4's all-dynamic lighting structure or something...?

 

[BD1]

The fact that it's not announced yet means that it's well over a year away. Can 3DS even remain a viable platform in the west until then? It's already back to pre-price drop sales, which means it'll probably start losing support again.

What?

New Super Mario Bros has sold almost 50 million units across two games. I think they'll be ok.

 

[dancmc]

I am sure E3 will not bring us the answers we want, unfortunately; but it still is going to be a hoot

 

[M3d10n]

So it has been supposed that the Wii U GPU has some nonstandard lighting capabilities. Does this make a lot of sense? I mean, it's not like lighting is something that Nintendo games use more than everyone else's. If there were a much more efficient way to go about common lighting functions, why wouldn't that already be part of the standard designs?

There no such a thing as "lighting capabilities" in modern GPUs. They run shader programs and that's all. Even when you play old DirectX 7 games in them, the entire fixed function stuff is replicated by using built-in shaders in the BIOS/drivers.

Nintendo might be working on a graphics middleware to aid Wii developers that provides fixed-function style access to stuff like lighting and material management, but it's still all software-based.

 

[BurntPork]

Uh, yes it can. Did you forget about the upcoming Mario game? And Animal Crossing.

What?

New Super Mario Bros has sold almost 50 million units across two games. I think they'll be ok.

Mario Kart and SM3DL failed to save it. Honestly, I think it's a dead platform outside of Japan until they can cut another $50 off the price. NSMB2 will only keep it up until the holiday season. By February next year, it'll be comatose again.

 

[Portugeezer]

The fact that it's not announced yet means that it's well over a year away. Can 3DS even remain a viable platform in the west until then? It's already back to pre-price drop sales, which means it'll probably start losing support again.

Of course it can, those sold 3DS's don't suddenly disappear, still a viable platform (especially compared to the 1.8million units sold competition)

 

[muu]

A dead platform that's selling better than its predecessor in the same timeframe. Hmm.

 

[qq more]

Mario Kart and SM3DL failed to save it. Honestly, I think it's a dead platform outside of Japan until they can cut another $50 off the price. NSMB2 will only keep it up until the holiday season. By February next year, it'll be comatose again.

It's not a dead platform. April 2012 was a very slow month in the industry.

 

[BurntPork]

A dead platform that's selling better than its predecessor in the same timeframe. Hmm.

It's going to fall behind by the end of the year.

 

[qq more]

It's going to fall behind by the end of the year.

Oh my fucking god, Burntpork.

 

[blu]

Guys, GFLOPs is an arbitrary number.

5870: 2.7TFLOPs
7850: 1.7TFLOPs

Guess which one is more powerful.

The one with the better shader compiler?

 

[Agent Unknown]

More Nintendo HD:


Always nice to look at

That Wind Waker shot is amazing, I really need to play through that game someday. ,•_• If only my copy of the game hadn't been stolen

 

[axisofweevils]

Nothing for 3DS has been announced yet...

Don't forget there's that 3DS Pokemon capture game thing which will allow players to more easily collect certain Pokemon for B/W2. So, while it's not a 3DS game, there's advantages to playing it on the 3DS.

 

[wsippel]

So it has been supposed that the Wii U GPU has some nonstandard lighting capabilities. Does this make a lot of sense? I mean, it's not like lighting is something that Nintendo games use more than everyone else's. If there were a much more efficient way to go about common lighting functions, why wouldn't that already be part of the standard designs?

If there's something highly customized, it's probably simply not DX or OpenGL compliant. As in: To get the desired results, the design needs to be so different that it would either be highly inefficient if used with any standard API, or it would simply incompatible from the get go.

Also, I don't think the GPU would have hardwired effects in a traditional sense. It'd be about custom low level functions. To give an example: More than a decade ago, Siemens created a chip that had an independent iteration unit for the register file running in parallel with the actual execution unit. That design was unique back then, and could perform certain functions more than 40 times faster than comparable processors at the time. I would think that this was similar to what we'd be looking at here.

 

[Portugeezer]

Don't forget there's that 3DS Pokemon capture game thing which will allow players to more easily collect certain Pokemon for B/W2. So, while it's not a 3DS game, there's advantages to playing it on the 3DS.

I wish they could somehow make it play at 400x240 on the 3DS.

 

[NateDrake]

It's not a dead platform. April 2012 was a very slow month in the industry.

Exactly. The American economy is still incredibly poor & people won't be buying products en masse like we have seen in the past.

 

[BurntPork]

The one with the better shader compiler?

Does that hurt my point?

Either way, it means that the rumored PS4 GPU is around 12-13x current-gen and probably 4-5x Wii U.

 

[EloquentM]

what did Idea man say the most recent SDK for the Wii U was?

 

[Exterminieren]

The fact that it's not announced yet means that it's well over a year away. Can 3DS even remain a viable platform in the west until then? It's already back to pre-price drop sales, which means it'll probably start losing support again.

Do you remember everyone saying that you shouldn't take part in Sales-Age?

You REALLY shouldn't take part in Sales-Age.

 

[BD1]

It's going to fall behind by the end of the year.

I hope you are never asked to make any long term decisions of any importance.

3DS will not die before Mario Bros. and Pokemon appear on it.

 

[qq more]

Do you remember everyone saying that you shouldn't take part in Sales-Age?

You REALLY shouldn't take part in Sales-Age.

Agreed. I like you better when you didn't talk about sales, Burntpork. :/

 

[Wichu]

http://www.isnintendodoomed.com/

Keep it up!

 

[ColdBlooder]

It's going to fall behind by the end of the year.

If the 3DS is a dead platform to you, whats the Vita then?

 

[Penguin]

Do you remember everyone saying that you shouldn't take part in Sales-Age?

You REALLY shouldn't take part in Sales-Age.

Make him have his fun

BurntPork's special brand of crazy... is not something you get to enjoy all the time on the Internet without them being banned or shunned.

 

[AceBandage]

BP. You're a Wii U bro and all. But your judgement of sales can never be taken seriously...

 

[DocTarHeel]

what did Idea man say the most recent SDK for the Wii U was?

Looks like 2.04

http://www.radgametools.com/bnkhist.htm

 

[GameplayWhore]

A dead platform that's selling better than its predecessor in the same timeframe. Hmm.

In the mainstream press, if you're not outselling the peak period of your preceding product, then your product is often viewed as a failure.

 

[ColdBlooder]

http://www.isnintendodoomed.com/

Keep it up!

They should change "Yes" to "For all eternity" because no matter what Nintendo does, they will always be "doomed" from the media, 75% of GAF and Pachter of course!

 

[snesfreak]

BP. You're a Wii U bro and all. But your judgement of sales can never be taken seriously...

LOL yeah, it's like taking specialguy's judgement of well...anything...seriously.

 

[axisofweevils]

Also, I'd be amazed if Nintendo didn't release a B/W2 pokemon 3DS bundle with the game and a code to download the extra games.

 

[Discomurf]

Best Buy has LEGO: City Stories in their database - listed for $49.99

 

[HylianTom]

LOL yeah, it's like taking specialguy's judgement of well...anything...seriously.

Whoa.. ouch!

 

[EloquentM]

"Limited DRC audio support"

hmmmm...

 

[AceBandage]

Also, I'd be amazed if Nintendo didn't release a B/W2 pokemon 3DS bundle with the game and a code to download the extra games.

I'd be surprised if the old DS line wasn't discontinued by the time those games hit NA.

 

[jrDev]

Yes. And I'm surprised such middleware exists. I'll make it more clear:

... There's middleware made specifically for rendering plants? Seriously?

Yes...

 

[Penguin]

E3 2002 was a good year for Nintendo it seems, new Mario, Zelda and Metroid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71u2UyRTYiY&feature=relmfu

10 year anniversary can they top it!

 

[Agent Unknown]

Mario Kart and SM3DL failed to save it. Honestly, I think it's a dead platform outside of Japan until they can cut another $50 off the price. NSMB2 will only keep it up until the holiday season. By February next year, it'll be comatose again.

Uh, yes they did. And as qq said this is a slow time of the year, NSMB2 and AC are on the way and we have no idea what surprises the 3DS E3 lineup will have in store. You worry way to much. This is a portable system which is in no way, shape or form comatose (like the Vita which is beyond comatose at this point).

 

[Inferno313]

Grr! I start my summer internship the day of the Nintendo E3 conference.

 

[DocTarHeel]

"Limited DRC audio support"

hmmmm...

Where did you see this?