TheGreatMightyPoo
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DragonKnight
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He didn't but his source did. And he knows his source personally and his source is a developer for a prominent development company and does work on all the major systems.
You might be on to something here.
Let's take a look here...
I can say I have seen something green and white. What that something is will have to wait until post E3 at the earliest...Same goes for you too.
So does bg know who Jumpman is? The wink is throwing me off.
The theory about GTA is interesting, especially considering Jumpman posted this just a week ago:
DragonKnight
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walking fiend
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I can't say I don't want it; but there are many side effects to it, which make me think even if I put aside the matter of cost of consoles and games, I think I don't want it
Completely agree with this a 100%, but I don't think people will take it in a positive way. It doesn't mean DOOOOOOOOOOOM for Nintendo or gaming, Wii was more of a cultural phenomenon than it was a gaming thing.
walking fiend
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is that a legit GTA V logo?
btw, man, this thread moves really fast when you participate in it! I ... should... stop...
Cyber bullying, Cyber Bullying, man...
Disorientator
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The Making of The Witcher 2 - DF on the genesis of the epic RPG and its miraculous 360 adaptation
Pretty interesting points imo - I wonder how the WiiU compares..
...and I also dig their way of thinking - not "ordering" hardware but instead working within the limits of what's available.
Pretty interesting points imo - I wonder how the WiiU compares..
...and I also dig their way of thinking - not "ordering" hardware but instead working within the limits of what's available.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Maybe my post needed a
to sound less serious.I get lazy with my writting when i'm on my ipad
DragonKnight
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What is does mean is that nintendo needs to expand their core base and badly if they want to see growth. Some casuals will flock back but never again in those numbers. The concept of a tablet is infinitely more complex than a remote.
And I think people get pissed when someone says Wii was a fad, because they think it belittles the great titles that did come out on the system, but it doesn't. It was kind of like a two headed monster, sales wise. It had this giant market of casual gamers that wanted to play Wii sports and that's it, and then a smaller market that played all the great games on it, and love Nintendo games.
Exactly. Next generation will mimmick the PS2/Gamecube/Xbox era, except that I think all three consoles will be fairly successful, instead of one being a mega powerhouse.
Exactly. Next generation will mimmick the PS2/Gamecube/Xbox era, except that I think all three consoles will be fairly successful, instead of one being a mega powerhouse.
DragonKnight
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So you're trying to organize a group to watcha stream? I'm down. What do I have to do?
I enjoy when people make absolute statements about who will or will not buy this or that product. "They bought the Wii, but they won't buy another." "They bought the DS, but they won't buy another." "They bought the 360 for Kinect, but they won't buy it again."
How many times must the wider audience buy things before people realize that making hard-and-fast rules about potential demand is foolish?
How many times must the wider audience buy things before people realize that making hard-and-fast rules about potential demand is foolish?
DragonKnight
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Which probably was no more than the same number of people who bought the GCN and N64, sadly. I'm really not trying to take anything away from nintendo. I want the WiiU to be my only platform next gen but that all depends on how much they are willing to reach out to third parties.
Disorienter said:
That's what I meant when I said that the Waternoose/Xenon/PPE has extremely shitty IPC and I was hoping that the Wii U's CPU wasn't derived from it in some fashion.
Thraktor didn't seem to think so because he remembers folks mentioning it was OoO in one of the previous threads, but wsippel/bg/Ideaman/lherreetc may not have answered whether the Wii U's CPU is, for certain, OoO and not derived in any way from it. I don't know what the response was because you guys post 100 pages/day =\
lol
Izick said:
Wii was not a fad, because it had a normal 5 year cycle on the backs of almost exclusively Nintendo. Amazingly, its attach rate is still around 8.5 worldwide (according to the latest financial reports) and it has sold a *LOT* of software, first and third party. What you said is only what the 'hardcore gamer' believes happened. It doesn't help that it's what's been repeated ad nauseum among us GAFfers and the gaming 'journalists' at large over the past half decade.
Nothing yet, I'm just trying to see how large the general interest would be. There are some big names down so far though.
Franchuzas87
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Exactly. Both Galaxy games are platforms, while Mario 64 is more an adventure. All of them are great in their own way, although I prefer the Galaxy style. However, to change things up a bit, I'd like more if next 3D Mario was more a big, open adventure. Especially since all latter ones (Galaxy 1/2, NSMB 1/2/Wii and 3D Land) are linear and mostly platform-based. I already miss 64 and Sunshine style.
DragonKnight
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Well i'm down.
Umm.. yes sir! I'd be down for dat chat.
Isn't the Wii's massive drop off in sales enough of a sign in itself that this was a one hit wonder thing? People didn't want to play a video game, they wanted to play Wii Sports.
Either way, making any kind of prediction is futile, but it's fun to guess and predict stuff to kill some time whilst talking about gaming.
Yeah, that's definitely an area where they need to improve, and I'm guessing it's an area will they'll show us they're serious about improving.
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
Yeah so all of Nintendo's franchises selling millions of more copies then usual, being experienced by millions of more people, will have no impact on a growth in fans?
This isn't the PS2. Nintendo still has all the main franchises exclusive to their platform. And how exacty did people get tired of motion control? How is Wii Sports Resort one of the best selling games ever 7 years after release? How did Kinect bring so much life back into the 360?
You have to remember, the Wii-U still has motion controls and it has a very casual-friendly u-pad controller that uses motion-controls. It will still have all the major franchises that sold the Wii. Will it be as big of a success as the the Wii? Most likely not, there is too much competition in the casual market to run such a monopoly over the market like the Wii did. But to suggest it will go back to GCN sales-levels or less just because it doesn't have UE4 is straight up laughable.
walking fiend
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I think it wasn't really fad, but that it fell behind the competition:
1. They stopped making good casual games around the time of E3 2010
2. Kinect appeared.
So the concept wasn't fad, but they didn't manage to execute it well until the end
(I mean, Just Dance 3 is selling better than 2 and 2 did better than 1?)
Forsaken82
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You do realize that everything that they did with the Wii proved exactly that right? Would you rather they try to live in someone else's "bubble" like they did with the Gamecube?
Which system was more successful again?
Except the part where sales data actually refutes this, you're right. Wait. No. That would mean you're wrong. And the sales dropped off because Nintendo stopped producing for the system as they transitioned towards the 3DS and Wii U.
Fair enough, but using absolute terms to define potential demand in relation to consumer goods is pretty crazy.
Wii sales dropped because nintendo has been slowly abandoning the system for some time now.
And saying it was all because of Wii Sports is silly since the system stayed on top years after WiiSports was released with it.
I don't know. Just because it was a fad to the casual market, doesn't mean it wasn't something amazing for gamers. I just think people wouldn't have been interested in just a more powerful Wii, and that's why Nintendo is going down this route with the Wii U with the tablet. They want to get back to their roots, capture the core market again, but also with a new spin.
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
It is more of a combination of casual competition from Microsoft/Sony/Apple, Kinect Being the next "big" motion control/casual gaming item, and Wii already being in a ton of households/being old news.
This thread is getting more and more disturbing.
yeeeah!
DragonKnight
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You're reading comprehension is laughable. BURN! But in all seriousness re-read what I wrote. I said that nintendo wants to court the core as the casuals have largely come and gone. I said when the ps4/720 come out, should the UE4 be the de facto engine that third parties use for their games then the WiiU will be shit out of luck because there goes third party support...again. Third party support is to sustain this new core who don't see the appeal of say mario or zelda.
And I already accounted for new fans. I said some casuals will return. Just don't expect Wii like numbers. And judging by nintendo's new focus on the core, I think they agree with me.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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The people that need the Wii U to be able to run the UE4 engine should just admit it's because THEY want games like that and don't want to be made fun of by their silly friends.
Nintendo isn't going out of business because of the lack of anyone else's anything.
Nintendo isn't going out of business because of the lack of anyone else's anything.
I'm just saying it was a cultural phenomenon for a few years. It was more than just a console, it was this thing that got big through word of mouth, and the uniqueness of the concept. People weren't interested in gaming, but rather motion controls, and it faded.
If we separate Nintendo's financial interests from our interests as enthusiasts, the "hardcore" account (although I think the issue extends much more broadly than that demographic) is all that matters. I really don't care how the attach rates look at first glance, because looking closer they are for a different audience.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Yamauchi confirmed.
8.5 games per console? Could I get a link to that report?
DragonKnight
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'Cept the bubble burst a long time ago and the last time nintendo existed in a bubble was the GCN area where they sold less units than the 64. The gamecube's bubble was there own. They said FU to online and FU to third parties when they made mini disc their proprietary format. And they certainly didn't give a fuck about third party requests back then. Guys. I'm not arguing against nintendo here. I've often stated that they need everyone on board. But they would be foolish to expect casuals to just hop back on board.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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9/10.
DragonKnight
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Joke post right?
And this isn't and has never been about nintendo going out of business. It's about them trying to expand their core user base. You don't fit and bill and you don't care because you already are on board. This is bigger than you.
Nintendo will continue to attempt to expand its audience. The company is only as healthy as the number of people playing games is.
The fact that they're drastically changing up their hardware tells me they're not '[expecting] casuals to just hop back on board,' but are rather attempting to grow their audience once more.
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