If the Ferrari is the only option I have to get to places, I'd have to buy a Ferrari, but I would not drive it any differently to an Opel. I would buy a Ferrari to get to places, not for driving in a risky way or to burn a lot of petrol. Analogously: I buy a Wii U because I won't get NSMBU on the Wii, I don't buy it for HD.
If the Ferrari is the only option I have to get to places, I'd have to buy a Ferrari, but I would not drive it any differently to an Opel. I would buy a Ferrari to get to places, not for driving in a risky way or to burn a lot of petrol. Analogously: I buy a Wii U because I won't get NSMBU on the Wii, I don't buy it for HD.
Lots of people going for lame dogpiling on an oversimplified version of the topic. "WHY MY XBOX NO PLAY HALO 4?" Oh, you kings of comedy.
A week ago, there was no HD Nintendo console. Full support of 4:3 resolution, even if some content was letterboxed. A brand new console, and it's understandable if they're designing primarily for HD now (preferable, even), but did they state on the packaging a 16:9 HDTV was a requirement to function properly? It's possible they have, since I don't have a Wii U I can't verify for certain.
But if they haven't, and this is their first console generation even supporting true 16:9 resolution (and not anamorphic), they either need to properly support legacy buyers for this console generation, or state clearly that they aren't going to support them. Both are viable options.
Yes, I have a nice 16:9 HDTV I'm very happy with. I just don't think it's appropriate to be a dick to the OP for getting home and plugging in his console, only then to find out Nintendo half-assed 4:3 support, something the 360 and PS3 handle just fine.
the problem is overscan. there is no console that has a system wide adjustment for it. apparently this is a bigger problem in 2012 than it was in 2006 when the last console launched, if you believe this thread.
if you have a 4:3 TV you have been losing out on LOTS AND LOTS of picture for a long time now, now more than ever.
Why do I still have my SDTV? Because I don't want to pay $500 for an XRGB-3 to make an HDTV work like an SDTV with SD sources.
Many of the people in this thread don't seem to care about stuff like input lag, and if a sizable portion of gamers don't care then manufacturers sure as hell don't.
So after 6 years of people complaining about games on 360/PS3 not supporting 4:3 correctly, and now we are collectively agreeing that 4:3 support should have never been a concern for HD consoles?
Why does every thread where there is some partially or fully legitimate complaint about Wii U (from other Wii U owners or owners to be too) seem to turn into this
Ok, so using this logic, the current coffee maker works properly and makes coffee, but it tastes like crap.. Still drinkable but not particularly nice. But you could get a coffee maker for a pretty cheap price that tastes absolutely wonderful, why wouldn't you do it?
Weren't complaints about the Wii's horrible look on hd tv usually answered with "Play on a CRT, it's better!" and the Wii's crappy resolution excused with "Not everyone has a hd tv!". Yes, yes they were.
Now people are out or blood about people on old tvs. Cool.
Adoption rates, son. People were saying in 2006 that not everyone has an HDTV. It's 2012 now. 6 years is a lot of time in the tech business, I've upgraded my TV twice since then (although I already had an HDTV in 2006. ). I personally don't know a single household that doesn't have an HDTV now, not so in 2006.
Not that I don't know the kind of all-defending lunatics you're talking about, but at least this argument isn't really suitable as an example for hypocrisy.
the problem is overscan. there is no console that has a system wide adjustment for it. apparently this is a bigger problem in 2012 than it was in 2006 when the last console launched, if you believe this thread.
if you have a 4:3 TV you have been losing out on LOTS AND LOTS of picture for a long time now, now more than ever.
It seems like less to do with normal overscan concerns, and more to the fact that Nintendo specifically does a terrible job letterboxing 16.9 content to fit 4:3 displays on the Wii U. The first picture in the OP says as much.
The original Wii would letterbox 16:9 content, and I don't remember this issue coming up.
My analogy was more directed towards your comment that you see no point in replacing your CRTs. The point in replacing them would be to enjoy HD in all it's gloriousness. I'm no graphic whore by any means but just yesterday I started with AC: Brotherhood and my gosh it's sooo purdy
On the other hand I do have to say that the LCD/plasma technology still is pretty shitty even after all these years. But still, 46" and HD is worth all the crappy DSE and banding I have to put up with, it's at least more tolerable than phosphor trails and image retention (I owned a panny plasma so don't give me that it doesn't exist anymore crap).
Uh, I did this very thing this Thanksgiving weekend and it was NOWHERE NEAR as bad as that. The problem in the OP seems to be an issue with the TV itself rather than the Wii U. There was some overscan, but the image was displayed properly on a 4:3 SDTV in 480i.
Ok, so using this logic, the current coffee maker works properly and makes coffee, but it tastes like crap.. Still drinkable but not particularly nice. But you could get a coffee maker for a pretty cheap price that tastes absolutely wonderful, why wouldn't you do it?
It's more like only this particular, new brand of coffee tastes like crap in his coffee maker. He doesn't have to drink it, but he bought a truck load of it and is disappointed that other brands on the market taste fine.
I would be pretty disappointed at Nintendo for this. To go directly from the Wii with full backwards compatibility and not have the capability to display on an SDTV properly is very poor indeed. I can imagine people being confused and bothered. If SDTV 4:3 res is advertised in the manual/box then this is a Nintendo issue. If not, then I guess consumers are SOL regardless.
Uh, I did this very thing this Thanksgiving weekend and it was NOWHERE NEAR as bad as that. The problem in the OP seems to be an issue with the TV itself rather than the Wii U. There was some overscan, but the image was displayed properly on a 4:3 SDTV in 480i.
Yep some old tvs have some shitty overscan and some dont. Not the wiiu issue its a tv issue and the op will be missing stuff on evey device attached to it if the overscan is that bad.
Uh, I did this very thing this Thanksgiving weekend and it was NOWHERE NEAR as bad as that. The problem in the OP seems to be an issue with the TV itself rather than the Wii U. There was some overscan, but the image was displayed properly on a 4:3 SDTV in 480i.
If they were the only ones producing suitable means of transportation, they should absolutely cater also to audiences who prefer driving properly. Analogously, Nintendo doesn't have to do a lot to make Wii U work properly on an SD, so I think it's absolutely right to demand that they make it work.
Yep some old tvs have some shitty overscan and some dont. Not the wiiu issue its a tv issue and the op will be missing stuff on evey device attached to it if the overscan is that bad.
The OP's TV wasn't just overscan, though. It appears to be shifting the image downward in addition to the overscan. It shouldn't be this terrible on most displays.
I know it was for scientific inquiry, but my condolences that you had to live through that. I hope your eyes are ok.
Ha ha, well, I wanted to play with some family members and while my parents have a 60in plasma in the living room, it was taken up so we had to move to a side room with a Panasonic CRT. It wasn't that bad!
Its not really a nintendo issue its a tv issue, i never thought in 2012 we would have people moaning about overscan on a 4.3 tv. I wonder how much of this is faux outrage on here, it seems alot of people get angry on behalf of other people. Its a tv issue.
The OP's TV wasn't just overscan, though. It appears to be shifting the image downward in addition to the overscan. It shouldn't be this terrible on most displays.
Ha ha, well, I wanted to play with some family members and while my parents have a 60in plasma in the living room, it was taken up so we had to move to a side room with a Panasonic CRT. It wasn't that bad!
Weren't complaints about the Wii's horrible look on hd tv usually answered with "Play on a CRT, it's better!" and the Wii's crappy resolution excused with "Not everyone has a hd tv!". Yes, yes they were.
Now people are out or blood about people on old tvs. Cool.
If they were the only ones producing suitable means of transportation, they should absolutely cater also to audiences who prefer driving properly. Analogously, Nintendo doesn't have to do a lot to make Wii U work properly on an SD, so I think it's absolutely right to demand that they make it work.
but why would you use a HD console on a non-HD Tv? It doesn't make much sense. If I bought a Range Rover, just to play with your analogy, and used it only to get to the newsstand, it would be both a waste of what the car is capable of and a hell to drive it through traffic
tech is always advancing and if you want to experience the latest it has to offer, you've got to adapt. I bought my first HDTV for the xbox 360, because otherwise it would have been a waste of the console's potential. It's a non-issue, really
Not a Wii U problem. It's a TV problem. Your TV is adjusted poorly for the Wii U signal. That is why most TVs and monitors have adjustments for picture position and size.
5-6 years ago i would feel pity but HDTVs are dirt cheap.
You can literally get a 22-32" HDTV for the price of a Wii-U deluxe so if you can afford a wii-u and high speed internet month-month you really have no reason not to own a HDTV. It's 2012, get with the fucking times.
Why does every thread where there is some partially or fully legitimate complaint about Wii U (from other Wii U owners or owners to be too) seem to turn into this
but why would you use a HD console on a non-HD Tv? It doesn't make much sense. If I bought a Range Rover, just to play with your analogy, and used it only to get to the newsstand, it would be both a waste of what the car is capable of and a hell to drive it through traffic
Because I couldn't care less for resolution, I want to play the games I like. I can't get NSMB U, Rayman Legends or Pikmin 3 on an old console, so I need to buy a Wii U. If I had the option to get an SD Wii U instead I'd gladly take that.
Friend of my dad had a 40" 4:3 crt Sony hdtv. Hdmi input I believe.
We asked if he ever thought about moving to a flat panel, and he laughed at us saying (I'm paraphrasing) "The only reason this hasn't been changed since we moved in last year is because we can't move it! At the time I thought it was a nice bonus having this tv as part of the house sale"
I had one of those monsters (mine was a Grundig, don't even remember the exact screen size), it even had two iron handles that you screwed to the sides to be able to move it. I needed help of my brother (we are both big guys) to move it when we finally got rid of it. We brought it to a Mediamarkt offer where they gave you a discount on a new TV if you gave them an old one, the discount was 2 euros per Kg.
You should have seen the MM guys faces :lol: we took home a 32'' phillips LED tv for little more than 100 euros :lol:
Because I couldn't care less for resolution, I want to play the games I like. I can't get NSMB U, Rayman Legends or Pikmin 3 on an old console, so I need to buy a Wii U. If I had the option to get an SD Wii U instead I'd gladly take that.
5-6 years ago i would feel pity but HDTVs are dirt cheap.
You can literally get a 22-32" HDTV for the price of a Wii-U deluxe so if you can afford a wii-u and high speed internet month-month you really have no reason not to own a HDTV. It's 2012, get with the fucking times.
I don't see why Nintendo should have to fully support legacy hardware any more. HD was becoming part of everyday TV sets something like 6 or 7 years ago, and it has got to the point now where you could probably pick up a working HDTV better than your everyday SDTV from a landfill site.
Even replacing a high end SDTV with a comparable HDTV is not going to cost much.
I don't see why Nintendo should have to fully support legacy hardware any more. HD was becoming part of everyday TV sets something like 6 or 7 years ago, and it has got to the point now where you could probably pick up a working HDTV better than your everyday SDTV from a landfill site.
Even replacing a high end SDTV with a comparable HDTV is not going to cost much.
Said emerging markets probably wouldn't be worth selling the relatively expensive (and already being sold at a loss) Wii U in, and I don't believe the Wii itself has had much of a push in said markets. In fact, they only recently started talking about marketing the original Wii in Eastern Europe and Latin America in September. I believe the Wii Mini rumor partially has to do with these markets as well.
"You can reach price points, you can reach consumers that, candidly, we won't be able to reach with the Wii U. That's gonna continue to be an opportunity," he said. Fils-Aime and Nintendo also have their eyes on Eastern Europe. "On a global base, certainly there are markets in Eastern Europe. There are a number of other markets where if Wii has an attractive price point, it'll do well."
As far as I know the Wii is already sold (and does pretty well) in some parts of Latin America, but I'm fairly sure retailers buy them through wholesalers rather than through Nintendo. I don't know that for a fact, though.
It boggles my mind that people are in these threads defending Nintendo for every one of their screw ups. Like, you don't have to care. I certainly don't care since I don't have a 4:3 TV. It doesn't have to affect you. But then why come in here and post all these silly excuses?
It boggles my mind that people are in these threads defending Nintendo for every one of their screw ups. Like, you don't have to care. I certainly don't care since I don't have a 4:3 TV. It doesn't have to affect you. But then why come in here and post all these silly excuses?
What's dumb is that the feature that supposedly caters to said TVs clearly doesn't work. What isn't dumb is the suggestion that the Wii U and the next generations of consoles are not designed and will not be designed with these old standards in mind.
). I personally don't know a single household that doesn't have an HDTV now, not so in 2006. 
