Boss Man
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FXAA creator comments on Orbis, Durango
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Stallion Free
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The same could be said of literally every console/platform exclusive.
I dont even...
They could do the 360 thing again when they release first and cash in on people wanting a next gen system, and lock them into their system. Also wait until final specs...
Clay Davis
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hehe. I love crazy posts.
if he's reading, maybe he could answer why he thinks they won't have a custom OS, why he think they'll go the apple route and upgrade more often and why he thinks they'll be using pre-gcn.
I'd genuinely love to hear this thoughts on why he thinks they'll go this path.
There were a decent number of Xbox ports that ran in 720p as opposed to 480i on PS2. That's a pretty massive difference, on top of clearly better IQ, anti-aliasing, etc. on Xbox.
If the difference between Orbis and Durango ends up being the later running 720p, 30 fps versions of the same games that Orbis runs at 1080p and 60 fps that'll be seen as a pretty big deal.
Its obviously not the whole picture, as even the quoted speculation in the OP of this thread leaves out the heavily rumored APU addition for Orbis. If that is the meaningful piece of silicon Sony's patents imply it might be that the speculation in the OP could in fact be selling the Orbis, not Durango, short.
An OS with far less memory overhead, less CPU overhead, an additional APU, greater memory bandwidth, an equal if not superior GPU, and the option of use LibGCM or OpenGL as basically native code. Nothing is final but the broad brush strokes we're seeing emerge paints a pretty vivid picture.
grimshawish
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Sega is launching the SEGA Vengence in association with Samsung come November 2014 after MS bombs out so its not the worst thing in the world
iamshadowlark
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He probably just means that they will use a form of Win8/RT on the system, which really isn't the craziest thing to say. He also already addressed the pre-gcn thing, it was just a what if.Clay Davis said:
Can Crusher
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Sega is launching the SEGA Vengence in association with Samsung come November 2014 after MS bombs out so its not the worst thing in the world
Holy shit, ahaha
Sega vengeance would actually be a badass name for the console.
Manmademan
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Not really, since releasing a game for the PC guarantees rampant pirated copies floating around in the marketplace "for free."
So it comes down to a question of whether or not the publisher/dev will gain more copies selling the game on PC, than they "lose" through piracy.
You can argue all day as to whether or not this argument is valid, but we've seen many, many, devs argue that these are "lost" or "stolen" sales they would have had otherwise.
There's also the issue of steam depressing PC pricing as well- console games tend to retain their value quite a bit longer.
I agree wholeheartedly.
iceatcs
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Oh yeah it will be huge deal. Something turn to opposite from current gen can be quite while to deal with it.
Look at hotsell PS2 compare to PS3, or the power GC to Wii.
Sega is launching the SEGA Vengence in association with Samsung come November 2014 after MS bombs out so its not the worst thing in the world
The most badass console name ever! Sega should hire you.
Stallion Free
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I was talking about exclusives as a whole. I can't stand Sony or MS exclusive shit either. A Sony or MS exclusive is missing out on literally half the market that it could potentially sell in. Games like Uncharted and Gears would sell shitloads on the opposing platforms. Obviously these companies are paid specifically make an exclusive, but I think any dev would say that they wish their game could be played by as many people possible at the end of the day.
I'm not going to bother addressing the rest because you clearly have a defined view of PC sales that isn't going to be changed and this isn't the thread for it.
LOL
Going from 720p/30 to 1080p/60 means you're drawing 2.25x more pixels and you have half the time to draw a pixel, so roughly it would require 4.5x GPU power. Such a difference is not gonna happen.
Yeah, I don't know why people keep acting like that's a posibility. Orbis spec may mean that a game can run native 1080p at a solid 30fps, maybe with better AA, than a game running at sub1080 and a fluctuating 30 on Durango. No way will there be a disparity as big as 30fps on one, 60fps on the other or 720p versus 1080p.
Like I said, it's Xbox to PS2 difference in power if true.
PS2 version of Soul Calibur 2 was 480i in 60fps.
Xbox version of Soul Calibur 2 was 480p or 720p in 60fps.
Can Crusher
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If a Xbox - Ps2 difference ends up happening, MS really is in a "I don't give a fuck" mode.
No reason to believe it for now though.
No reason to believe it for now though.
I think it's more of a GameCube to Xbox situation.
Baconsammy
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Halo, Borderlands and the first Resistance game. Shooters that don't rely on being "real".
Sorc3r3r
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Yup I agree with you, in my opinion 3rd party games will look very very similar, IF Orbis or Durango will be one more powerful of the other one it will have a minimal impact on the external games, I do not think that any dev will put more money on a version to make it look or perform better.
Minor things like better shadows, higher res textures, and better AA can happen especially since there's not much extra work to do for those at all.
Can Crusher
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Gamecube didn't even support hardware T&L from what I remember. There was a really big difference in terms of feature set beween Xbox and GC.
Xbox had a faster CPU and a much more powerful and feature heavy gpu. Along with more ram and standard HDD.
Xbox - GC doesn't seem likely.
iceatcs
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I don't think it means that. If the difference true, MS just doing bit more careful. No-one (all 3) them don't care about your hardcore gaming habit, they will go for where the most pockets are.
No shit. I was using it as a comparison between the PS2 and Xbox gap in visual output. Xbox was actually HD with better framerates and IQ. I was quoting someone who said it wasn't that big of a difference between the two systems. For anyone who had both and a HDTV it clearly was.
Will we see enough of a power divide for that to happen this generation? Nope, almost surely not. But tangible gaps have happened before and can happen again.
I just meant in terms of final results. A lot of multiplats were better on GC than PS2 and when devs got into the guts of the GC they could do awesome stuff.
Boss Man
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Man, it's a damn shame what happened to that franchise after the first game.
Anyway, just going off of what we (think we) know so far, I'm expecting Orbis to have some pretty impressive first party games while third party is going to be close enough for it to probably not matter.
Who knows though, all of the rumors could be totally off. It's going to be an interesting E3, that's for sure.
Baconsammy
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But Sega wouldn't be able to stop itself from being Sega and they'd quickly release the Revengeance add-on within a year of the Vengeance and quickly split both the dev community and customer-base.
Found that funny to but we do have devs and industry insiders here. It's a natural reaction for alot of folks to root for their console of choice.
Pretty muchFound that funny to but we do have devs and industry insiders here. It's a natural reaction for alot of folks to root for their console of choice.
Orbis might end up with better graphics but if Durango is multitasking five apps at once while still producing good looking games then it will be viewed by the masses as the most powerful of the two.
Sony and MS have different priorities and the exciting thing is gamers will have a real choice next gen.
Sony and MS have different priorities and the exciting thing is gamers will have a real choice next gen.
Dark_AnNiaLatOr
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Could happen. I just can't wait to find out what's really going on.
Winterfang
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Sega releasing affordable touch screen gaming PC, Comes with free Sega games at 400 bucks. You heard it first.
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Yeah, but GC could do things like Tessellation (displacement mapping) and had more real world geometry as I understand it (in actual games I mean). It also had more hardware lights and was capable of more texture layers. At least that is the way I remember it.
Mihos
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oversitting
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He just explained to you that there is variability in the information. And trusting 1 source over another is bad and doesn't matter the source. I hope this helped you understand.
Users posts saying one @ 720p 30fps while the other runs 1080p @ 60fps.
Can Crusher
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More hardware lights and texture layers? I don't think so.
Also gekko was simply less advanced a gpu when compared to the Xbox. Stuff like bump mapping and all those bells and whistles were supported by the Geforce 3 gpu feature set.
A couple of developers certainly did very interesting things with the Gamecube, just like many did with the PS2. But Xbox was simply a gen ahead in terms of features supported by its gpu. You can just look at a multiplatform game like Chaos Theory to understand the native differences these consoles had.
The thing I just don't get: How should it be possible that we know more about the GPU tech that is supposed to be used in either PS4 or 720 a year from now when we still have no idea where the Wii U GPU is in terms of flops. Makes you wonder how much BS and attention whores is out there. Just repeating a rumour often enough seems to give credibility to it. I still see people talking about the next Xbox being called "New Xbox" which we know was nothing but a troll.
Nintendo intentionally hides, obfuscates, and NDAs their real numbers. MS and Sony are going to be very vocal about their tech specs or at least won't bar people from talking about them once the systems are finalized and announced.
What it has to do 4,5x GPU power with to draw pixel 2,25x more pixels? When you have more to the double of the past bandwith is not enough? I don't understand what you mean.
oversitting
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Well nintendo is very very secretive and has ninjas to keep it so.
iamshadowlark
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Idk, to me it seemed like a pretty inapt speil that had nothing to do with the post that it quoted and had no value what so ever.
dearodie
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I promise this is not a bait or a thread derail, trying to put things in perspective ...
With the above comment in mind, I'm left to wonder where WiiU fits here.
if Orbis=720p x 30 fps, Durango=1080p x 60 fps (more likely 30+), then WiiU = Orbis ...
doesn't bode good for MS.
We need some confirmed specs, or are they?
Can Crusher
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Nintendo doesn't want official specs out there telling you their system is really under powered when compared to the expectations of the market.
Oh he won't. Don't bother, some people just read what they want no matter what's actually written.
Oh he won't. Don't bother, some people just read what they want no matter what's actually written.
oversitting
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Sometimes its hard to connect the dots.
It's not just about bandwidth, you still need more GPU power to draw more pixels. Going from 720p to 1080p is a 2.25x increase in the number of pixels so the GPU has to draw 2.25x the amount of pixels. Going from 30 fps to 60fps means that the GPU has to draw the pixels in half the time.
Where are people getting this idea that having more bandwidth means that you can increase resolution for free?
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