Yes to watch_dogs, no to SW1313 since that was running on 3 GTX 680s.
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Yes to watch_dogs, no to SW1313 since that was running on 3 GTX 680s.
BruiserBear
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But perception is what was behind that particular discussion I was engaged in.
Also, just as most multiplats didn't run at 720p on Xbox, they have better lighting either.. I owned one and I recall most games looking just like their PS2 counterpart with a bit of antialiasing added in. Some even had effects that weren't as good as their PS2 counterparts, because the PS2 was almost always the lead platform. Don't you remember the "sparks" meme around here from Burnout 3 and Revenge?
Death Dealer
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I've read that fact is not a good indication of what's possible on console, or even PC for that matter. That what they showed was probably early and un-optimized, and could almost be taken as a form of PR bragging, i.e. our game is so l33t it takes 3 GTX 680s to run. I remember another insider comment saying the next gen console launch games will look comparable to high end PC versions of games like SW1313.
yet watchdogs looks better than 1313.
The PS2 version looking better than the Xbox versions would still be in 2%.
And even then almost every one of them was running in progressive scan.
This was easy to notice to even the most casual of gamers. I remember the gameplay>graphics meme post Xbox launch. And Xbox versions = shiny graphics.
Phoenician_Viking
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So tomorrow we should get new info about the 2 systems, or just one?
iamshadowlark
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Ok it seems the 800 claim was actually 600 Glfops and its still up in the air if its valid. Apparently nobody knows WiiUs actual specs, outside of developers. So I'm probably off the mark.
Well, aren't you just the cutest little thing.
You are misremembering both these games. SW 1313 is on another level, watch_dogs just looks like a high-end PC game.
Agni's Philosophy was running unoptimized on a single GTX 680 and what it achieved onscreen takes a dump on SW1313. SW1313 requiring 3 GTX 680 is PR hubala. It doesn't even make sense to program a game that is set to release early 2014 at the latest to run on 3 GTX 680s. Do they expect to sell 2000 copies to only PC enthusiasts who can afford such a rig?
Which one? Only comparable one is Crysis 3.
Which is actually the first next gen game.
Baked lighting all over the place though. None of it was dynamic.
iamshadowlark
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I thought the 3 680 claim was in dispute?
Are you sure?
SniperHunter
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yea
Hiro_Kunimi_80
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a tech demo platform, completely not optimized for SW1313 E3 Demo, is not representative of what will be really needed in the final version of the game
SniperHunter
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yea I doubt they are making a game exclusive for 3 GTX 680's...that's like $1500 right there on the GPU's alone.
even running on 3 GTX 680's the game doesn't look that impressive except for the special effects which are done by their special fx studios
even running on 3 GTX 680's the game doesn't look that impressive except for the special effects which are done by their special fx studios
I still don't know what exactly about SW1313 is supposed to be on another level. I thought Watch_Dogs was more impressive considering that it's open world, and Agni's truly is on another level in terms of graphics.
I suggest you try again.
It looks like there's a ton of dynamic lighting going on in that video.
EDIT: Unless he meant dynamic radiosity. In which case I doubt there was any in Star Wars 1313 or Watch Dogs.
Backfoggen
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1313 has really nice lighting
Gemüsepizza
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That does not mean 3xGTX680s are actually needed to run it. This is probably only the setup of their demo PC.
iamshadowlark
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I think he was talking Agni?
No, those are rumoured amounts that will be in the retail units.
Agni's Philosophy, Star Wars 1313, and Watch Dogs all have dynamic lighting. It's not certain that any of them do realtime radiosity.
I'd question anyone claiming Star Wars 1313 has an advantage here since it's pretty much in the same ballpark as the UE3 Samaritan demo, and that didn't have any realtime radiosity either.
Clay Davis
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les papillons sexuels
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stills really don't do the lighting justice,
looks incredible.
except that the fire isn't casting any light.
even todays computers are not enough for a ton of light sources of light sources.
1313 is exactly what I expect from the first run of next gen games.
dragonelite
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Dont you see the orange color being casted by the fire on the wall?
Didn't they get ILM on board those guys know their stuff.
same here.
les papillons sexuels
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see his leg as he passes by the fire? no change in colour or lighting, no shadow casted on the wall.
starwars looks pretty meh for me too. Looks something capable on todays hardware.
that section from the gif looks amazing
this section looks good but not that good
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSANe5B_ynE
Can Crusher
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Agnis is the benchmark for me. I don't care what it's doing technically, I see what I see and it has the best visuals I've ever seen for a would be game.
Looking at frame-by-frame footage it does. He runs past it and what do you know - the further you are away from a light source - the less it illuminates the character. Shocking!
His whole backside maintains an orange glow. In other scenes with fire during explosions we see light cast by the explosion hit a lot of screen real-estate.
Still tho - that's nothing that isn't being done today. I don't see how this is impressive. Other than being buttery smooth - that's about it. I'm not seeing any wizardry being done with 1313.
The special effects and lighting are far beyond anything I have ever seen. Everything else about the short gameplay sequence shown to us is underwhelming, especially image quality. The textures leave a lot to be desired.
I'm reserving judgement because the gameplay is in a narrow, dark corridor. In fact, it looks completely possible to render on current-gen hardware up until the protagonist leaps onto the flaming satellite right as the spaceship he leaps from explodes. I was floored for the first time I saw that footage.
You don't need to link me any videos seeing as how I've watched them all. I'm not impressed. We've seen close to it this gen. There's some nice AA and that's about it. Looks like a 1080 version of Uncharted mildly beefed. Nothing special.
Agni had the lowest requirements of anything we've seen too. The demo we've seen was running at 1080p/60fps with 8x MSAA and FXAA on one 680. After console optimization and with a 30fps target and lower AA we could easily see that next gen, maybe even looking a bit better.
You've never played an Uncharted game, eh? I can't count the "set pieces" in those games because there are a lot.
Again, I'm not seeing how this is special.
dragonelite
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Dont understand how this isn't impressive.
I mean the smoke.
I mean the smoke.
les papillons sexuels
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his back is being hit with an orange spot light, the explosions are just hdr effects. The fire itself isn't using particle lighting and isn't casting any light into the scene, they're just using a spot or point lights to mimic it. The small fire he runs by doesn't light his leg up, nor is it casting a shadow.
take a look at the character on the lower ship. It's harsh white lighting all over.
Dont understand how this isn't impressive.
because it's a scripted sequence in a corridor.
Can Crusher
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That game looks much better than Uncharted.
Running on 3 GTX680s, it better be !
oversitting
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uncharted isn't even on the same level.
Tough crowd.
I actually find the Star Wars 1313 stuff impressive. You certainly won't see this level of quality on current gen consoles.
Can Crusher
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Then again Agnis looks better than it and it's only running on 1. So in proportion, Uncharted looks as good as 1313?!
Agnis is also using some baked elements.
les papillons sexuels
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I'm not saying it doesn't look good, just that it doesn't look particularly special, or that it's really "nextgen".
oh noes. I hate this whole "baked" thing. If the technique works and looks as good, then fuck dynamic shit. There are no "tricks" in graphics, no cheats. Mirrors edge is still one of the best looking games released, I'd take it over crysis 3 even, and it's got baked lighting.
I don't care if there's smoke and mirrors to get to a great final result, especially in a console setting. It's just clever coding and optimization.
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