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I think Microsoft might surprise a bunch of people

DEADEVIL

Member
MS really has some great franchises to use. I'd love to see:

New Conker
New Killer Instinct
New Perfect Dark
New Kameo
New Banjo
Forza Horizon 2
Alan Wake 2
Halo Wars 2
Crackdown 3

Yes these are all sequels but they are underused IP. None of these have been milked, they would all be fresh and exciting.

Even if MS only make half of these it'll be a nice change from the usual Halo/Gears/Fable.

I would go with KI HD on XBLA and press to test how much interest there was.

Kameo 8 years later? No

Banjo? Did Tooie or PS3's Sly sell? Go new IP

Forza Horizon 2? The year after Forza 5.

Alan Wake 2 is coming out but it might be for PS4 and the NextBox

Halo Wars 2? In MY dreams

Crackdown 3? Literally if they gave this game some REAL development time it could be a classic. I would be there day one. What people don't know is C2 isn't C1 but it is still fun. it's so unique of a game and if the fact is you now have an acceptance for Cell after the 2 Borderlands.

Honestly could you imaging if C3 had GTA 5 type graphics but the same fun gameplay? It would be a game changer.
 
I would go with KI HD on XBLA and press to test how much interest there was.

Kameo 8 years later? No

Banjo? Did Tooie or PS3's Sly sell? Go new IP

Forza Horizon 2? The year after Forza 5.

Alan Wake 2 is coming out but it might be for PS4 and the NextBox

Halo Wars 2? In MY dreams

Crackdown 3? Literally if they gave this game some REAL development time it could be a classic. I would be there day one. What people don't know is C2 isn't C1 but it is still fun. it's so unique of a game and if the fact is you now have an acceptance for Cell after the 2 Borderlands.

Honestly could you imaging if C3 had GTA 5 type graphics but the same fun gameplay? It would be a game changer.

That's some big dreams you have
 
Not brutal, just honest. How many Wipeouts need to fail before you realize no amount of trying is going to make people care? How many different skins can you put on Mod Nation Racing before you understand no one wants it? It's even harder for a company consistently losing money to keep taking chances on stuff people appear to not want. I give Sony much credit for dumping the weak and consolidating the strong. Their bigger franchises should be better for it, and hopefully they'll be able to focus marketing attention on them. Sony was a lot more fun when they had great, humorous advertising and games to match the quality of the advertising. I hope getting The Witness turns out to be huge for them. An open world puzzle game is right up my alley.

I agree with you on that. I think it sounds like Sony finally started realizing they needed to capitalize on talent and start closing the studios with weak IP and moving, restructuring their successful departments into multiple teams:

GG, SSM, ND, MM, SJP

I can't wait for Alan Wake 2 though. To have the technical limitations removed from that team is going to yield amazing results and please ms.......MARKET MORE BRIGHT FALLS!!
 

DEADEVIL

Member
That's some big dreams you have

Menace I only deal in truth and reality.

It's not my dreams at all for the series. But, I can't make this stuff up.

‘Alan Wake 2’ may be coming to PS4 and Xbox 720 according to report (Photos)'

http://www.examiner.com/article/alan-wake-2-may-be-coming-to-ps4-and-xbox-720-according-to-report

Based on Kotaku's article last month

http://kotaku.com/5977750/quantic-dreams-tantalizing-ps4-project-xseeds-surprise-killer-game-and-other-secrets#13588826699842&{%22type%22:%22iframeUpdated%22,%22height%22:731}


'According to Remedy Entertainment's recruitment page, the studio is now working on an "unannounced iOS project" alongside the previously known "unannounced AAA project for future generation consoles," which many believe to be a full-fledged sequel to Alan Wake.'
 

enzo_gt

tagged by Blackace
If there was a Halo Wars 2 it would undoubtably be a Kinect, Minority Report-esque RTS. Possibly made turn-based to avoid flailing for APS. Could be cool though.
 
Menace I only deal in truth and reality.

It's not my dreams at all for the series. But, I can't make this stuff up.

‘Alan Wake 2’ may be coming to PS4 and Xbox 720 according to report (Photos)'

http://www.examiner.com/article/alan-wake-2-may-be-coming-to-ps4-and-xbox-720-according-to-report

Based on Kotaku's article last month

http://kotaku.com/5977750/quantic-dreams-tantalizing-ps4-project-xseeds-surprise-killer-game-and-other-secrets#13588826699842&{%22type%22:%22iframeUpdated%22,%22height%22:731}


'According to Remedy Entertainment's recruitment page, the studio is now working on an "unannounced iOS project" alongside the previously known "unannounced AAA project for future generation consoles," which many believe to be a full-fledged sequel to Alan Wake.'

Like I said keep dreaming


Doesn't MS own AW?

Remedy owns the IP Microsoft is the publisher of AW and AWAN
 

DEADEVIL

Member
Personally i would love for 343i to be able to work on something else other then halo, they have supreme talent

No disrespect but I'm still playing and loving Halo 4 and this is coming from a Halo: Combat Evolved fan since lthe original Xbox launched.

I literally can't wait to see what 343i does with the rest of the series. They were limited in the first game, but I thought campaign wise it was the best Halo experience since Bungie in their hay day.

343i made a lot of fans no matter what you see on GAF as the series always got the most hate until COD.

Halo 5 will be one of the biggest games and definately one of the most anticipated games next gen.

3 months later people can claim Halo fatigue after the H4 frenzy died down, but watch what happens 2 years and a half years from now when we all see what 343i pulled off next gen.
 
MS can't surprise me cause I already know they'll win over the crowds and media with their reveal. MS are ruthless, Sony brings a knife, they bring a gun; Sony brings a gun, they bring a tank.

Sony shows not-ready-for-primetime games, Microsoft shows blockbuster sequels and 3rd party exclusives (part-time or otherwise).

I dont see MS losing any ground to Sony when it comes to top-of-mind awareness among console gamers, particularly in the US and UK.

Edit: typo cause I'm tired and stuff
 
So in theory they could just get another publisher for AW2? Or even just a different publisher for the PS4 version?

In theory they could get another publisher for AW2 but AW1 and AWAN will never touch a sony platform. for this reason alone its a big dream imo, its not an EA/Bioware situation more of a EPIC/Microsoft setup.

Remedy sounded pretty adamant about it never touching the ps3(like uncharted stupid comparison from them) , im sure MS will give them enough reason($$$) to have similar feelings.
http://gamerant.com/alan-wake-ps3-remedy-benk-140502/
 
Personally i would love for 343i to be able to work on something else other then halo, they have supreme talent

No disrespect but I'm still palying and loving Halo 4 and this is coming from a Halo: Combat Evolved fan since lthe original Xbox launched.

I literally can't wait to see what 343i does with the rest of the series. They were limited in the first game, but I thought campaign wise it was the best Halo experience since Bungie in their hay day.

343i made a lot of fans no matter what you see on GAF as the series always got the most hate until COD.

Halo 5 will be one of the biggest games and definately one of the most anticipated games next gen.

3 months later people can claim Halo fatigue after the H4 frenzy died down, but watch what happens 2 years and a half years from now when we all see what 343i pulled off next gen.

Oh I love Halo 4, I just want to see 343i work on multiple projects i think they have the talent to put out other projects besides just halo. I know im going to get a ton of flack but i think 343i actually rejuvenated the series where as bungie was Bullshittin with minor upgrades with reach/odst. bungie damn near killed the series imo, idk if it was mental fatique or not.
 
I think so too. The Kinect 2 could possibly cause a repeat of the Wii Sports craze. It would be nice to see a surge in casual gaming like that again.

But I do have some worries: what if Kinect 2 must always be connected, unblocked, in order for the Durango to operate? What if it could tell how many people are watching a movie on the Windows 8 Marketplace and charge accordingly for viewing fees? What if they force devs to shoehorn Kinect 2 functions in every game to a fault?
 
I think so too. The Kinect 2 could possibly cause a repeat of the Wii Sports craze. It would be nice to see a surge in casual gaming like that again.

But I do have some worries: what if Kinect 2 must always be connected, unblocked, in order for the Durango to operate? What if it could tell how many people are watching a movie on the Windows 8 Marketplace and charge accordingly for viewing fees? What if they force devs to shoehorn Kinect 2 functions in every game to a fault?

Eh, Kinect isn't new. I don't think you'll start a whole new fad by introducing a better version of something you already sold people once. Especially when that something kinda flamed out pretty quickly. If Kinect 2 is the selling point of the new Xbox, it was nice knowing you, Xbox brand.
 

DEADEVIL

Member
Oh I love Halo 4, I just want to see 343i work on multiple projects i think they have the talent to put out other projects besides just halo. I know im going to get a ton of flack but i think 343i actually rejuvenated the series where as bungie was Bullshittin with minor upgrades with reach/odst. bungie damn near killed the series imo, idk if it was mental fatique or not.

Again, I'm a big fan of the series. ODST was one of my fave campaigns and most original of the entire Halo series, so i don't agree.

No console FPS period is touching the multiplayer options of Reach. Bungie threw the kitchen sink at it. True fans know spectator claim BS. I'm not a spectator. In fact, Reach's multiplayer wasnt fully appreciated until H4 didn't have the ridiculous optons at launch. But H4 is getting better and better all the time.

No disrespect intended, but you literally must be living in a Halo hater bubble if you believe that Halo fans as a mass majority believe Reach killed the series. Sorry it's not about flack it's about reality.

I'm a fan, but i'm not remotely close to as hardcore as the friends, family, and aquaintances I have played with since we were playing Halo: Ce on a bunch of TVs and a line of people trying to compete. Halo fans are as rabid as ever and will be playing H4 for the next 3 years steady. Unless MS f-s it up and doesnt allow BC. Then watch the empire crumble from the inside out.

Again, your opinion is your opinion which is neither right or wrong. but, I promise the hate affecting the series negatively in a real way is a few pebbles in the sand compared to the love.

But, I disagree. I want that team dedicated 1000% , for the most important game in the Xbox inventory. Side games dont make sense when it takes 100 people to make each game.
 

rdrr gnr

Member
I think so too. The Kinect 2 could possibly cause a repeat of the Wii Sports craze. It would be nice to see a surge in casual gaming like that again.

But I do have some worries: what if Kinect 2 must always be connected, unblocked, in order for the Durango to operate? What if it could tell how many people are watching a movie on the Windows 8 Marketplace and charge accordingly for viewing fees? What if they force devs to shoehorn Kinect 2 functions in every game to a fault?
Don't we already have some leaked documentation on Kinect? Nothing about Kinect 2.0 seems revolutionary:
Slightly more accurate, more players, wider field of few, HD. I might be mistaken, however. I think it'll come closer to creating a surge for casual gamers than the WiiU, but I don't think it'll blow up.
 

DEADEVIL

Member
Eh, Kinect isn't new. I don't think you'll start a whole new fad by introducing a better version of something you already sold people once. Especially when that something kinda flamed out pretty quickly. If Kinect 2 is the selling point of the new Xbox, it was nice knowing you, Xbox brand.

Kinect didnt flame out quickly at all. it's just people that arent exposed to it, believe that no one is playing it.

Rare's Kinect Sports already is the MS Wii Sports. Between it and the sequel its already at 7 million. But lthe beauty of Motion controls is like the Wii, those games have the potential to sell over and over as new people pick it up. That's why you had Wii games like Mario Kart sell for years and years at a ridiculous pace.

Kinect Sports 3 would sell, but I believe they should definately upgrade the graphics and add more realism.

Nintendo knows they messed up which is why Wii-Sports 3 and the Wii-U fit is launching this holiday.
 

DECK'ARD

The Amiga Brotherhood
I fuckin' hate Microsoft personally, and there is 2-ways this could go ...

... if that Kinect patent for charging per family member for ANYTHING is enacted I'd leave this planet for good. Get off the world, the fun has stopped.
 

DEADEVIL

Member
Don't we already have some leaked documentation on Kinect? Nothing about Kinect 2.0 seems revolutionary:
Slightly more accurate, more players, wider field of few, HD. I might be mistaken, however. I think it'll come closer to creating a surge for casual gamers than the WiiU, but I don't think it'll blow up.

I think if they advertised correctly it'll make a difference. People arent aware of how big Kinect is right this very moment, at least in the US.

Pick up the latest Paranormal Activity and watch how Kinect was a crucial part of the plot. go to some clubs and bars and watch how Dance Central and Kinect is playing, while people come up and treat it like Karoake. Look on the leaderboards of some of the most core games out there and then check there achievements and you will be suprised how that 'core' talk doesnt hold up outside of the internet.

With that said MS has to go hard and present some really good games and uses for the device. IMO it sounds like they went all in for the next gen, but that's based out the hires and descriptions of what people are working on.
 

DEADEVIL

Member
I fuckin' hate Microsoft personally, and there is 2-ways this could go ...

... if that Kinect patent for charging per family member for ANYTHING is enacted I'd leave this planet for good. Get off the world, the fun has stopped.

Why leave the planet, just don't purchase it or buy an Xbox. Why commit suicide over a gaming system? But I never heard of the patent.
 

Alx

Member
Don't we already have some leaked documentation on Kinect? Nothing about Kinect 2.0 seems revolutionary

It's slightly disappointing indeed, but you also have to consider that the first kinect was limited more by software than hardware. Only a small part of the potential of the raw data was used, because of bandwidth and limited resources. With better tracking (especially handling more complex scenarios) and better recognition (we're expecting more Siri-like interactions than using key commands), the use of kinect could/should reach another level.
 

madmackem

Member
Eh, Kinect isn't new. I don't think you'll start a whole new fad by introducing a better version of something you already sold people once. Especially when that something kinda flamed out pretty quickly. If Kinect 2 is the selling point of the new Xbox, it was nice knowing you, Xbox brand.

Yeah dont underestimate the backlash to something that has wronged gamers in the past, look at wii u i think its suffering from the core gaming feeling totally selt a duffer in wii. I think unless they prove day one that kinect 2 is so much more powerful than kinect 1 and can do everything that was promised and hinted at for 1 that gamers will be sour on it if its integral to the next xbox.
 

Shaneus

Member
Do you think Tim Schafer would be down with that? He seems against the idea of being chained down to one of the bigger players.
Oh, I wasn't talking about it's feasibility, just the sort of dev that would be suitable. Obviously going for a massive dev with a solid franchise would be too costly, but a team like DF (or as someone mentioned, Obsidian) shouldn't have to shift focus too much to make some single-platform games.

I guess they could always take Lucid under their wing! I'm sure there are a few people here who'd be more than happy with that ;)
 

Izick

Member
Wow I love these gifs i wish I could create something like that. Did you make any of the others?

Not yet, but I'll try more when the event and E3 comes around.

Oh, I wasn't talking about it's feasibility, just the sort of dev that would be suitable. Obviously going for a massive dev with a solid franchise would be too costly, but a team like DF (or as someone mentioned, Obsidian) shouldn't have to shift focus too much to make some single-platform games.

I guess they could always take Lucid under their wing! I'm sure there are a few people here who'd be more than happy with that ;)

Oh, if that's what you meant then I agree with you.
 

pswii60

Member
I'm mostly interested to see Phil Harrison's influence.

He oversaw hits and misses at SCE but there's no denying his priority was always variety. And games like Buzz and Singstar wouldn't have got to market without him.
 

Izick

Member
Also, I'm wondering how much Microsoft has tweaked the new Kinect to allow for close-space functions. Meaning, I wonder if they'll develop it so that it works for people like me or you who don't have Victorian-era ballrooms for living rooms.
 
I'm mostly interested to see Phil Harrison's influence.

He oversaw hits and misses at SCE but there's no denying his priority was always variety. And games like Buzz and Singstar wouldn't have got to market without him.

Or LittleBigPlanet, for that matter. I'm also interested in seeing what he brings to the table, especially as he seems to be aware of the need to branch out interactive entertainment in many different directions.
 

enzo_gt

tagged by Blackace
Don't we already have some leaked documentation on Kinect? Nothing about Kinect 2.0 seems revolutionary:
Slightly more accurate, more players, wider field of few, HD. I might be mistaken, however. I think it'll come closer to creating a surge for casual gamers than the WiiU, but I don't think it'll blow up.
More players is HUGE. That's the biggest complaint of the first and is a massive hurdle they've overcome.

I think at the end of the day, the software will determine its success. And that's not just Kinect-only casual titles or hardcore titles, it's a combination of both. The technology is there and has always been much more than sufficient, except for only tracking 2 players in the past. The problem has always been the applications, which never live up to the possibilities. I think MS has potential to do something interesting in the RTS, rhythm and sports spaces especially.
 

Biggzy

Member
More players is HUGE. That's the biggest complaint of the first and is a massive hurdle they've overcome.

I think at the end of the day, the software will determine its success. And that's not just Kinect-only casual titles or hardcore titles, it's a combination of both. The technology is there and has always been much more than sufficient, except for only tracking 2 players in the past. The problem has always been the applications, which never live up to the possibilities. I think MS has potential to do something interesting in the RTS, rhythm and sports spaces especially.

Expect Durango's operating system and UI to be built around Kinect as well.
 

dan999

Banned
Surprising me would mean they're making a great console with great features and great 1st party games and not just throw money on some big 3rd party IPs that basically forces people to buy their console.

Somehow I don't think I'll be surprised
 
Surprising me would mean they're making a great console with great features and great 1st party games and not just throw money on some big 3rd party IPs that basically forces people to buy their console.

Somehow I don't think I'll be surprised

If they are good games, why does it matter where they come from?
 

Izick

Member
Like I said, Microsoft better make it so that I can use the Kinect in smaller spaces than what they demo, because I think that's the reality for most people.
 

Maximilian E.

AKA MS-Evangelist
My thoughts about this...

MS is very difficult to gauge at the moment. The leaked specs of Durango are somewhat behind PS4, still within the range of 360 vs PS3, so in that sense, MS is ok.
But of course, devs have spoken about the benefits of having faster ram and now that Sony went batshit insane and just said "fuck it" to their financial bottom line, it will have some kind of affect on the balance and it could be that PS4 comes out like a lead platform here..

What baffles me a bit here is Microsoft have sooooo many smart people, they have so many engineers from old Silicon Graphics and people who have worked with super computers, graphics etc etc. Microsoft Research is a top place for knowledge and MS themselves contribute quite a bit in the graphical development.

And also being a software company, MS should "know" how to design great hardware, designed to push graphics or whatever needs to be pushed.
And somehow, it seems that people are disappointed with what MS will show (based on the leaks)..

On the other hand, the game biz environment has changed quite a bit and companies needs to be able to adapt to these changes, if not, they will be left behind (like the position Nintendo is in now).

MS perhaps have gauged the whole videogame business "correctly" and are adapting to it better than the competition.

It does seems that MS are out for the whole experience box, that from one single box, you will be able to handel all kinds of entertainment.
But also, gaming entertainment will most likely transform to a much more immersive experience and perhaps this is what MS will offer much better (and what will be the next big thing) that the competitors will not be able to compete with or at least, not as good.
Stuff like Kinect2, Illumiroom and Fortaleza glasses (or occulus rift) are things that can play a major role for gaming in the coming years and in this regards, maybe MS have positioned themselves much better..

Regarding hardware specs..
Durango seems to be capable, however, we still don´t know the final stuff.. but if the leaks are to be believed, then it will be capable, but still lagging somewhat behind PS4.
Here, MS did have a golden opportunity to become the "de facto" standard.. meaning that thanks to their financial position, they could have developed the most powerful machine (16 thread, dual gpu, other crazy stuff).. and sold it with the subscription model and well, still take the financial blow of selling the machine with a loss, in order to establish itself as the best gaming machine (as well as the other things MS wants to deliver). And Sony would struggle to follow MS lead there, because of the world of pain Sony is in financially...

MS did not do this.. for whatever reasons.
Perhaps they know something, perhaps Durango is a big smoke wall, for the real machine.
Perhaps there are reasons we heard stuff like 16 threads cpu and a 3TFLOP machine..who knows..

Well, im rambling a bit here..
What we know here is that Sony have showed more of their hand than MS have and we still have to see how MS reacts to it. It can also be that MS says like "Ok, fuck it, let´s moneyhat the biz and pay for some crazy exclusivity".. leaving Sony with a powerful machine, but without the top games..

In any ways, the videogame biz has changed forever and this upcoming gen, there are much more things that companies have to deliver, besides gaming. The company who can deliver on all fronts, will be on top..
 

Biggzy

Member
My thoughts about this...

MS is very difficult to gauge at the moment. The leaked specs of Durango are somewhat behind PS4, still within the range of 360 vs PS3, so in that sense, MS is ok.
But of course, devs have spoken about the benefits of having faster ram and now that Sony went batshit insane and just said "fuck it" to their financial bottom line, it will have some kind of affect on the balance and it could be that PS4 comes out like a lead platform here..

What baffles me a bit here is Microsoft have sooooo many smart people, they have so many engineers from old Silicon Graphics and people who have worked with super computers, graphics etc etc. Microsoft Research is a top place for knowledge and MS themselves contribute quite a bit in the graphical development.

And also being a software company, MS should "know" how to design great hardware, designed to push graphics or whatever needs to be pushed.
And somehow, it seems that people are disappointed with what MS will show (based on the leaks)..

On the other hand, the game biz environment has changed quite a bit and companies needs to be able to adapt to these changes, if not, they will be left behind (like the position Nintendo is in now).

MS perhaps have gauged the whole videogame business "correctly" and are adapting to it better than the competition.

It does seems that MS are out for the whole experience box, that from one single box, you will be able to handel all kinds of entertainment.
But also, gaming entertainment will most likely transform to a much more immersive experience and perhaps this is what MS will offer much better (and what will be the next big thing) that the competitors will not be able to compete with or at least, not as good.
Stuff like Kinect2, Illumiroom and Fortaleza glasses (or occulus rift) are things that can play a major role for gaming in the coming years and in this regards, maybe MS have positioned themselves much better..

Regarding hardware specs..
Durango seems to be capable, however, we still don´t know the final stuff.. but if the leaks are to be believed, then it will be capable, but still lagging somewhat behind PS4.
Here, MS did have a golden opportunity to become the "de facto" standard.. meaning that thanks to their financial position, they could have developed the most powerful machine (16 thread, dual gpu, other crazy stuff).. and sold it with the subscription model and well, still take the financial blow of selling the machine with a loss, in order to establish itself as the best gaming machine (as well as the other things MS wants to deliver). And Sony would struggle to follow MS lead there, because of the world of pain Sony is in financially...

MS did not do this.. for whatever reasons.
Perhaps they know something, perhaps Durango is a big smoke wall, for the real machine.
Perhaps there are reasons we heard stuff like 16 threads cpu and a 3TFLOP machine..who knows..

Well, im rambling a bit here..
What we know here is that Sony have showed more of their hand than MS have and we still have to see how MS reacts to it. It can also be that MS says like "Ok, fuck it, let´s moneyhat the biz and pay for some crazy exclusivity".. leaving Sony with a powerful machine, but without the top games..

In any ways, the videogame biz has changed forever and this upcoming gen, there are much more things that companies have to deliver, besides gaming. The company who can deliver on all fronts, will be on top..

Before going into the design process of a console, the engineers would get a TDP envelope that the console must operate in, a rough price range and what other functions it must do. It is becoming clear that Microsoft are positioning Durango as an all purpose device and the engineers at AMD and Microsoft have produced a device that reflects, according to the leaks, seems to reflect that.
 

StudioTan

Hold on, friend! I'd love to share with you some swell news about the Windows 8 Metro UI! Wait, where are you going?
For the money it would cost to get say GTA5 exclusive they could make any number of first party games instead and we would still get GTA5. I'd rather they go that route.

That's simply an assumption on your part. You can't assume that the budget that would be allocated to buying an "exclusive" would have been used for anything else. They would only look at investment and return on that investment. It doesn't mean that they would take money from other projects in exchange. It's not like Microsoft's coffers are empty.
 

Izick

Member
I could see them make it so that it was "next-gen" exclusive, meaning no PS4 release, but the money the'd have to give to lock it up completely would be mind-boggling, and I'm not sure if it would be worth it in the long-term.
 

Xdrive05

Member
Microsoft have the advantage of knowing exactly what they have to beat, reveal-wise. So if they do a reveal before E3, I'm sure that means they will be confident that they have outdone Sony with it.

If they wait for E3 then it could go either way for sure.
 

JimiNutz

Banned
Cost is king.

I'd like to see the next Xbox come in at or under $299 without contract.

I'm not sure whether I would prefer an initial low cost device that was less powerful, or a console that matches (or beats) PS4 specs wise but needs to be bought on a subscription model due to high cost (like a smartphone).
 
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