Tripolygon
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Someone just told him the same thing in another thread, I wonder where he is suppose to go.
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Kotaku: "Only 90% of Xbox One GPU usable for games"- PS4 GPU up to 66% more powerful?
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Someone just told him the same thing in another thread, I wonder where he is suppose to go.
RyanReedyMusic
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Melchiah
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Yeah, it makes me wonder would the tone be the same if the roles were reversed?
Tripolygon
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1. Inside the PS4 with Mark Cerny
2. New Cerny interview with Nikkei
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=52571712
3. Comprehensive list of PS4 feature announcements at GDC
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=530748&highlight=sony+gdc
if you search on gaf you will find more.
Pertaining to this messianic cloud, will it bestow the extra 30x power on cheapskates who stick with silver?
The roles would be reversed.
The roles would be reversed.
Angelus Errare
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There is no silver, only gold..and you will pay!
Wut?
Less powerful than the Wii U?
Angelus Errare
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There is no silver, only gold and you will pay.
Where does this "cloud" leave developing for a fixed hardware?
Wut?
Seriously though, did they really say that? As in non paying individuals won't be able to use the system?
Wut?
Seriously though, did they really say that? As in non paying individuals won't be able to use the system?
Tripolygon
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The point he trying to make is, it doesn't matter how powerful it is.
krypt0nian
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In a specs thread it sure as hell does.
Angelus Errare
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No they didn't I was joking.
Potentially. I've heard Sony is aiming for 7 cores but as of the meeting in February only 6 were open.
RyanReedyMusic
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I was just watching the Xbox Architecture panel and at 26:25 its said that XB1 has over 200gbps of data running on XB1.
How much was PS4's?
How much was PS4's?
weekend_warrior
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176gb/s for the 8gb of GDDR5 ram.
RyanReedyMusic
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So am I missing something? If XB1 is running over 200 gbps. Is that better than 176?
They fluffed their numbers and lied. Their main ram runs at 68GB/s. Not 200. And no you can't just add it up like that. The Esram may run at 102Gbps or whatever it is, but it's still only 32mb worth...
BlazingDarkness
Member
Just not fine with people talking about it being more powerful, it appears.
RyanReedyMusic
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So that guy who is part of the silicon maker is lying about over 200 gbps of data? Have you watched the architecture panel?
RyanReedyMusic
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Naw man. Ill own all systems as Ive said before. PS4 XB1 WIIU and PC
yes, fuzzy math MS style. add up all the bandwidth on the system to get 200. its a bullshit number that means SFA.
the Sony 176 is much more honest as it is the speed from the RAM to the SOC.
Angelus Errare
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Wouldn't be the first time. I mean if we look back, the hardware engineer for 360 said it had 1TFLOP of power...oh and 270GB/s+ of bandwidth.
Funky math is funky.
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
Okay... now I have to ask after seeing it for days: who is your avatar? lol
Yes I have. I am 100% on this. It's not so much a lie (though it sort of is that too) as it is a gross obfuscation of the real facts and figures.
Rogue_Ledr
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Yeeeesh!
I almost feel bad for the M$ people .............. ALMOST!
I almost feel bad for the M$ people .............. ALMOST!
RyanReedyMusic
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I dont see the benefit of that guy in the panel lying about what he and his team have worked so hard to create.
If you think that's a lie then the stickers they put on the side of power supplies are lying to you. They just added peak CPU BW to peak GPU bandwidth, much like power supplies you better not count on pulling down peak draw all the time or you're headed for trouble.
Bit naive. The benefit is that their console in PR doesn't sound weaker than the PS4, when it actually is. They will play the numbers and PR any way they can to hide this fact. Same reason they didn't mention their ram was DDR3, or specify specs and instead quoted a pointless transistor count.
It's so people like you could believe their lies, spread the word and sell more units.
RyanReedyMusic
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Im not a genius about hardware or anything. Im just curious as to why a team or guy who is part of the making of the system would outright lie about everything that is said. How can we believe anything from anyone if we dont take what they say with truth?
"Its like saying Cerny said there was 8gb of DDR5 of ram but we dont have the system in our hands and see the ram so how do we know thats true? He is spinning the truth and is lying."
If I work for many years on a product or a part of a product. Im not going to lie about what Ive done and what its capable of doing. Sadly your right and there are those who lie. As a business/professional its sad to know this. I just hope we see a solid product. I can honestly say Im pumped for both Sony and MS
AMD did the numbers for these guys, and the Gpu, cpu etc. So the numbers in this sense are legit and comparable. They won't out right lie because people can easily inspect these things and tear them a new one otherwise. All Microsoft is doing is being particularly misleading about tallying their figures to make the console appear faster than it is.
weekend_warrior
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5 billion transistors.
Truespeed
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Yeah, you're missing their bullshit and indirection. Like their 5 Billion transistor statement - it's true, but it's insignificant when you break it down and see how they arrived at that number.
jordan0386
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Is the jump from 360 to One really not good enough?
Ivory Samoan
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All the Xbone hate is starting to get a bit old, I can see a full revert to Xbone love within a week..
Tripolygon
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Edit: i'll simplify my comment
There is stretching the truth, then there is outright lying. I'm sure you can tell the difference between the two but if not, you are either being facetious or you're dumb.
No one said that. However in comparison to the PS4, gaming-wise, it's almost 1/3 of a generation behind, since they use precious resources for multimedia stuff.
weekend_warrior
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Was the jump from the Wii to the WiiU good enough?
It's not about "good enough", it's comparing hardware in order to speculate about what's going to happen next gen. The Wii didn't get a lot of the popular games that the PC/360/PS3 got because it wasn't comparable in power. It's possible that the Xbone will be lacking enough compared to the PC/PS4 that some game won't be able to run on it, this would obviously impact a lot of peoples decision to buy it. That's all this talk boils down to.
Yeah, I don't think that's going to happen. They'll just baseline it out on X1 and hopefully use the extra juice in the PS4 for some improvements (frame rate, IQ, effects, etc).
I'm really looking forward to e3 and seeing how Sony's power advantage pans out. Will the law of diminishing returns kick in and the differences be marginal or will there be a technical gulf even the layman can perceive? I'm a Sony fan so I'm leaning to the later. I'll hold off on conclusions though until we see the exclusives at e3.
What I expect is the difference between details in individual models and textures won't be very high between the platforms, but the scope will be where we see the difference. Environment size and detail, number of detailed entities, etc.
Given what we've heard about the devices I wouldn't be surprised if the games were made with the PS4 in mind and the XBone just got scaled down versions.
Reiko continues to live within us.
Not with that power deficit....
Just wait till we start comparing multi plats. There will be no mercy.
I can't wait for the delicious spin.
My hope is it transfers into some really far out physics effects like liquids and destructible environments. I'm being a tad optimistic, but their behaviour on both platforms should still be way better than what we currently have.
Amount is a secondary problem. The speed is what bottlenecks it in comparison to the PS4.