Kabuki Quantum Lover
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It's sad to think that with all of these deficiencies (rumoured, of course), it'll still be a close race. The behemoth of Xbox Live is enough for people to ignore such 'unimportant' factors (inferior ports, possibly).
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TRUTHFACT: MS having eSRAM yield problems on Xbox One
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Or just a delay ... *tinfoil hat*
The Jason
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Yeah many people thought 4GB of GDDR5 (coupled with a smaller OS footprint) would be superior. Sony lucked out on 8GB.
If MS dosen't figure out a solution, it seems that the performance gap will be big enough for gamers to notice.
BruceLeeRoy
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I was talking about Dev Confidence.
Also people should pay attention to ProElite. He has a much larger pool of information to pull from than the majority of us.
It seems like they won't have a chance to actually buy the console if these rumours are true.
Rebel Leader
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Judging from all the interviews, they seem to be in a scrambled egg =p
Microsoft fucked up on purpose. They just wanted peace among gamers.
rudieboy77
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So speculation from a thread really about nothing turns into another 20 page thread?
bigbaldwolf86
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Not sure how there can be a delay on a product that doesn't even have a release date but ok. Unless MS have sent word out that it could be delayed until next year but that's the only reason I could think this would even go out.
I had an email from Shopto about my FFX HD preorder (Vita version) as the price on the Xbox 360 version had been lowered in price. Online retailers are just crazy it seems.
Ninja Moomin
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To be fair though, dig around in sony's internals and it hasn't been much better - kaz seems to be doing a good job of getting them to align though.
As weird as it seems the biggest example of this is the announcement of heavenly sword and ratchet movies - Sony has never been able to leverage ip across games music and movies very well in the past.
I think Sony are going to have a great gen, and lets be honest, even if ms start off as Sony did with ps3, they will throw money at it until it works over the long term... Just how Sony turned ps3 around.
Gamers are in a win/win from the pov of having lots of choice and two different systems to choose from which take different approaches.
Acheteedo
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I don't think it implies a delay necessarily, more that stock will be extremely short on launch so my order might take time to fill.
If Sony can provide features that much up against Live or get the most early adopters they could get around that. The amount of consoles MS can yield early on could affect things as well.
shinra-bansho
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So essentially, could it be that the yields are low and/or MS are having problems consistently producing chips that can handle more voltage/be clocked at the originally intended speed; and consequently they may need to go with a lower clockspeed for the various components of the APU?
Impeccable
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Maybe they are choosing to UC in order to make sure units gets produced and then they could OC them once things have stabilized? Not completely unheard of.
bigbaldwolf86
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I didn't think of that. With the issues I could see a shortage happened for sure.
JohnnySasaki86
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This should only further the gap, since the architectures are now apples to apples. If a dev wants to take the easy less time consuming route(which as MS console gets weaker and weaker is getting more likely), which is just increasing visual fidelity like you mention, then yes your correct, but that's not all that's possible. Increasing visual videlty would just mean higherAA, higher res textures and effects, ect ect. Nothing gameplay related or design related. The game design from the beginning is targeted towards the lowest common denominator.
In a close boxed system, when one system is 1.5x-2x more powerful, and there both the same architecture, the more powerful system could lead to a lot more then just visual fidelity increases, if the software is designed that way. It's different than comparing frame rates in Crysis 3 on 7770 vs 7850.
GoofsterStud
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Or they take the easier route of 1080p on 60 frames on the PS4. Then down the Xbox One version to 720p with 30 frames.
That's generally easier. It will be obvious.
JohnnySasaki86
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I would hope for something more than that. Different graphical features and effects that affect gameplay, more enemies on screen, different scenarios, more dense levels, ect ect. I dont want a "HD version" of XBOne games. That's basically what it is.
The Jason
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There are many things dev's can do to adjust for performance, and it depends on the engine to a certain extent.
dragonelite
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And neither software it seems with the OS thread :'(
Acheteedo
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You won't get game design differences, other than with exclusives, Microsoft mandate against that for all multiplatform games. I think 60fps and 1080p is a pretty good deal though, hope that turns out to be the case.
HeLLKnight
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AstroZombie
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Great post.
JohnnySasaki86
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It's shitty. If this rumor is true, PS4 will be 2x as powerful(just the GPU, doesn't take into account ps4's other advantages). That's a lot of wasted resources. The "scope" of the game will always be limited by XBone.
I know this is a way exaggerated example, but it would be similar to if all PS3 every played were up rezed and doubled framerate 6th gen games. Like the GOW collection. All games were designed and made for PS2 or whatever, then upgraded for PS3, but the scope remained unchanged. Obviously that's an extreme.example. I guess this situation is very similar to what happened with the original Xbox vs PS2. Very few games from what i remember, took advantage of its extra power. Heh...how much more powerful was the Xbox over the PS2 anyways?
No. Sony designers showcased their vision in a recent Japanese website interview, they clearly stated that they would switch to 8x 8gbit chips when they become available.
With double the raw power I dont know how third party games cant look noticeably better on the PS4.
The person who said games will looking amazing at E3 because there running of dev kits, but come release they will take a downgrade because of this spec downgrade.
Last year with all the crazy rumors, I was hoping for a bare minimum for next gen would have at least a 1 TFLOP GPU and 4GB RAM.
its a no brainer if this rumor is true.
meh, the only reason i'am still holding out for MS at this point is because I like the idea of having kinect in the box and a box that can play my favorite 3rd party games(gta,rdr,fifa) at a decent level, but if they go the sub 1 tflop route that is a compromise to far.
The person who said games will looking amazing at E3 because there running of dev kits, but come release they will take a downgrade because of this spec downgrade.
Last year with all the crazy rumors, I was hoping for a bare minimum for next gen would have at least a 1 TFLOP GPU and 4GB RAM.
its a no brainer if this rumor is true.
meh, the only reason i'am still holding out for MS at this point is because I like the idea of having kinect in the box and a box that can play my favorite 3rd party games(gta,rdr,fifa) at a decent level, but if they go the sub 1 tflop route that is a compromise to far.
It will mean nothing. Developers will just stash the framebuffer there and forget about it. How many developers took advantage of the 'free' MSAA of the EDRAM?
Nikodemos
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I'm not so sure about that. Turning the PS3 around was nearly catastrophic for Sony. Sure, they managed it in the end, but it completely wiped out their PS1/PS2 piggybank and something on top. MS doesn't have an XBox/XBox360 piggybank. If the XBone bellyflops, there might be the case of MS spinning off the console division to someone else.
Like Sega, for instance. ;P
JohnnySasaki86
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Hey wouldn't the CPU clock be affected too? People were saying in an Apu set up if you decrease or increase one you have to change the other, and it has to be multiples of one of the other. As in 800/1600MHz. So if they decreased the GPU clock by 100, that would decrease the CPU clock by 200. It would be 700/1400.
Hadnt seen this touched on yet.
Hadnt seen this touched on yet.
lightchris
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You might get some of that in PS4 exclusives, but multiplatform games will be layed out for the least common denominator, and most devs will choose the XBox One for that.
Generally, we shouldn't forget we're talking about the GPU's performance here. That means an increase in resolution would come for free, however an automatic boost in framerate isn't guaranteed since the CPU's performance is rumored to be the same.
By the time this releases, it will be half the power of WiiU!
Its the XBox One, not the first Xbox. I understand the name can lead to confusion.
Angelus Errare
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ThisIsNeogaf.gif I'm still in the "calling BS on this" camp.
360's 4xMSAA was never really "free". It had a sizable performance penalty associated with it.
Leona Lewis
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That's absurd. Microsoft has many more billions in its "piggybank" than Sony could ever dream of.
ShogunDarius
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so this may have been known for a while then?
All they have to do now is show some more games people want to buy.
Impeccable
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Not sure how anyone can say this is complete bullshit consider the OP and follow-ups read like a who's who of NeoGAF insiders.
Angelus Errare
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Contrary to popular belief, just because MS has billions doesn't mean they're going to throw billions after billions to any one product team(s).
LiquidMetal14
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This is also a discussion forum.
We happen to have a few leads or at least some things to talk about the issue. We also had the one thread stating the same thing but in the SW sense and MSFT being 6 months behind. Something is not right over there.
But that doesn't mean they are willing waste money on what is essentially a little side project for them. Sony seem to be more invested in video games
But do they want to spend those billions propping up the XB1? MS doesn't generally stick with a failure indefinitely. They move on to the next product.
That has nothing to do with the type of memory used.
I don't think the power difference is significant enough for that. Consider 1080p is more than double the pixels of 720p. At most, it'd either be frame rate or resolution (or perhaps the One gets a resolution somewhere between 1080p and 720p)
Dirtyshubb
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The thing you have to take into consideration though is that Microsofts initial goal with the Xbox project was to be profitable by the third console, they took huge losses on the original Xbox and the 360 didn't do them any favours considering they had to put $1billion (IIRC) aside to cover the RROD fiasco so if the Xbone comes out and doesnt do very well the investors arent going to be very happy at all.
So while Microsoft does have the money to buy their way out of most problems, it doesnt mean it will do them any good in the long run.
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