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TRUTHFACT: MS having eSRAM yield problems on Xbox One
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We've had 2 more people come forward confirming the same thing.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
You know the whole story on why she threw a drink in his face?
Probably not.
Yes and no. Normal DRAM behaves differently. But that's what pseudostatic RAM is for - DRAM that hides refresh cycles and therefore behaves like SRAM. That's what Nintendo usually uses. Pseudostatic RAM is a bit bigger and more complex compared to regular DRAM, but still a lot smaller and has a much lower power consumption compared to SRAM.
I can only think of two possible reasons for Microsoft to go with SRAM: 1. SRAM scales better with die shrinks, though I doubt 32MB SRAM will ever be smaller than 32MB eDRAM during the Xbox One lifecycle. 2. AMD simply doesn't have the technology and they couldn't or wouldn't get IBM or Renesas on board for some reason.
Explain lucky alot?
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
in the short term.
But anyone thinking this generation can last as long as the current one is in for a suprise i think.
You are aware he kicked her, right? At first I thought it was funny, cause Karma. Then I finally saw she didn't slip, but had her leg kicked out while standing on water. And her head hit pretty hard against the pavement.
As for what was in the cup? Huh? He knew. It wasn't a pre-emptive move to prevent getting hit with "acid". He got a little water thrown on him (probably for being a douche) and decided to kick her (confirming he's a douche) in retaliation.
Sorry for the thread derail. But come on, couldn't let that go.
Xbox's "all in one" approach kinda reminds me about this:
Just right.
FonkyByNature
Member
I don't believe these rumors. I'm pretty sure MS has a huge plan for total domination, they've been cooking this bad boy for a long time, they know what they're doing.
Anyway, it'll all change next Monday when Microsoft announces their Megatons !
Then hardware talk will be forgotten.
Do you guys actually believe MS will let Sony get a head start and risk loosing this gen ? lol, i just don't believe that. And who knows, Sony may have the same problems, we just haven't heard from them as much as MS these past days...
Anyway, it'll all change next Monday when Microsoft announces their Megatons !
Then hardware talk will be forgotten.
Do you guys actually believe MS will let Sony get a head start and risk loosing this gen ? lol, i just don't believe that. And who knows, Sony may have the same problems, we just haven't heard from them as much as MS these past days...
demosthenes
Member
I feel like Microsoft sees itself back 20 years ago. "If we get a product in the living room that captures an audience we can keep them locked in and grow it". Technology and habits are changing so much that w/ the scale that they're attempting I think it's a very large gamble.
dragonelite
Member
There's no real luck involved. If Sony can blindside MS, more power to them. If MS wants to go with their time-frame, then they're in trouble. They did, and they are. It was their choice.
Sony has had the time to work out these kinks, carefully plan die layout and other factors, and have a much more robust product to show for it.
Impeccable
Member
No game will make me purchase this cluster fuck at this point, sorry.
Even with this down clock its not as if the games will look significantly worse.
It's fine to "fake it" just to prevent such issues, it's a whole different thing to "fake it" when you're currently incapable of having it run like this, especially when it's one of the (if not THE) major points of focus for the whole conference and design philosophy, and what they're trying to "sell".
Evolution_1ne
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Man-is-Obsolete
Member
I think it is not that hard to make great hardware but when you set up some of the stupid goals Microsoft has for the Xbox it creates a lot of restrictions that have to be worked around.
BladeoftheImmortal
Member
This is starting to sound terrible.
Can Crusher
Banned
MS probably made a survey and both developers and gamers said "What we really want is more transistors!!!!!!!"
DAT FOCUS GROUP
DAT FOCUS GROUP
thank you. can you clarify if they added credability to gpu clockspeed downgrade? esram issues? shitty OS? or all the above?
This is worrisome, indeed. Don't think I've seen a thread where all the "insiders" or people with insider knowledge came in and basically confirmed the rumor at hand. The rumor just became fact in my eyes.
gundamkyoukai
Member
If Sony had these sort of problems we would have heard about it by now .
We had leaks about these machines for months and in almost everyone it was not good news for MS .
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
With all microsofts marketing muscle they cannot change consumer behaviour that has proven time and time again that people en masse will never accept an all in one device for their entertainment.
People will always want options.
To many have tried at this point to even attempt.
The only thing close to achieving this is the Television itself and even that wont.
They had the date as December 31st. I don't think it was going to stick to that date. Could it be a factor? Possibly. Would MS have already told suppliers about unit issues or how many they were expecting? Doubtful.
BloodMoney
Banned
Very informative thread. +1 for NeoGAF
The thing is, 'all-in-one' can also give us the iPhone. That's what I was hoping for from Xbone, anyway.Xbox's "all in one" approach kinda reminds me about this:
Iacobellis
Junior Member
This is what happens when you start planning for your next-gen console in 2010.
Honestly, if the steady stream of news and rumors about just how far behind MS are, if the latest facts on the UI not even being run by an Xbone during the reveal, how choppy it works now, and all these rumors on production problems due to shortage of time, you're TRYING to overlook them. There's simply no denying that Microsoft are in scramble mode. They've thrown money at games and hardware in hope to get something ready in no time. It doesn't really work. So no, they haven't been cooking this bad boy for long enough.
You might be right that they have a good idea of what they're doing. It might sell well, but not to game-centric circles. That's fine. Let's not try to speculate that. But clearly Microsoft have overlooked the gamer with this console, and they have overlooked the hardware, just so they can sprint to the finish line. Those are serious overlooks for me as a consumer, and I won't trust them with my gaming experiences this coming gen.
So sure, don't believe these rumors, but don't think for a second that they're not in complete disarray at Microsoft over the short time they have to prepare this thing for launch.
tfur
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maabus1999
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Many popular games, like Minecraft, lately use "voxels" which are CPU dependent, so yes it is game dependent.
That said, I did read an article from a developer that basically stated "most people concentrate on the GPU so much in games they don't realize how much work (i.e., most of the work) developers go to in optimizing the game for the CPU."
I'll see if I can find it again.
Can Crusher
Banned
Unless MS by chance signed a deal on the next big thing a la Sony with GTA in the Ps2 days (a deal MS pissed on lol, imagine GTA + Halo...), there's nothing MS can do.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Is good planning and foresight luck? I think Sony started development of the PS4 years before MS based on Major Nelson's quote, "we started thinking about a successor for the 360 in 2010".
Sony also had a lot more incentive to really put everything into this coming off the billions they lost on PS3, as well as Sony as a company floundering. In contrast, Microsoft had a lot of momentum heading into next-gen and might have just coasted along thinking everything would turn out OK.
Sony also had a lot more incentive to really put everything into this coming off the billions they lost on PS3, as well as Sony as a company floundering. In contrast, Microsoft had a lot of momentum heading into next-gen and might have just coasted along thinking everything would turn out OK.
Monty Mole
Member
But this was the same difference we saw in the PS2 vs Xbox era. Max Payne, for example, ran at <20fps for the most part on PS2 and almost 60fps on Xbox. Not only was the Xbox more powerful, but in that case the more powerful system also had the easier architecture to deal with. But Xbox didn't steal the crown that gen, because it didn't have the software.
This forthcoming generation will be primarily a marketing battle. And it won't be the quantity of exclusives that matter, but the significance of the exclusives - eg whatever will be the next GTA or Halo. Other than that, it's down to the services each console offers. The power difference will only really play in to the decisions of people like us here on GAF in the main. If the general public were really that bothered about graphics they'd be buying plasmas instead of LCDs, and 360/PS3 would have wiped the floor with Wii from the get-go.
Nah, they just have an inside man at Microsoft named Phil Harrison.
I don't think you understand the issue here. All PSP's shipped with that working frequency, it was just underclocked for better battery life.
These will be underclocked to get yields up. If they suddenly remove that "underclock" on launch units, a bunch of people would suddenly have Xboxes that were defective and wouldn't work.
Neuromancer
Member
Can someone explain this rumor/issue in normal human being terms, or link me to a post if someone's already made one?
No it's an email saying supplier difficulties
BruiserBear
Banned
You think that was bad?
Try listening to multiple podcasts made by people who are paid to cover this industry, who also said similar things.
I am guessing they are covering their bases or they are creating extra demand to push pre-orders.
Ninja Moomin
Banned
Hmmm.
if it does get delayed it is suicide in Europe.
if it does get delayed it is suicide in Europe.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
The iphone wasnt all in one anything at first.
It didnt have a app store, its camera was shit, its interface was basic and it was highly restrictive.
The first iphone was heavily marketed feature phone on the basis of touch. Its improved over the years but the main reason people see it as an all in one device is being mobile, you only have room for one or 2 devices.
The living room is a far different beast.
McHuj
Member
I'm not going to speculate, but these yield issues if they're true will definitely impact release data and launch numbers. We could be looking at a 360 like launch all over again and frankly if PS4 doesn't have similar issues, Sony will be in a really good spot.
Can Crusher
Banned
MS is having trouble making enough XboxOne's with the current configuration. Which may lead to either a delay... or lowering the specs in order to be able to make them in sufficient number.
Bad yields like this is like, for example every 10 working consoles they make 5 don''t make it out of the factory. Which is very expensivo.
Yes that is what is being discussed.
The eSRAM isn't being fabbed to the standard they want, one option is to bin the chips, one option is to lower the expectations for each chip in order to improve how many you can use.
The Bookerman
Member
Third Console Curse setting in 
Joking aside, if all this is true, it's gotta suck for all those guys working at MS on this project: all the bad press Microsoft is getting. I hope e3 can change all that.
Joking aside, if all this is true, it's gotta suck for all those guys working at MS on this project: all the bad press Microsoft is getting. I hope e3 can change all that.
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