I'd love if they did this and released it on the XBone and PS4, however the teams are set by the console you are playing it on.
It would be an epic constant 24/7 console war game.
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Xbox One - Help Spread the Word
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I'd love if they did this and released it on the XBone and PS4, however the teams are set by the console you are playing it on.
It would be an epic constant 24/7 console war game.
There will be consumer backlash once people realise that they can't trade or sell games they've bought.
I hope MS and the publishers backing this initiative become so marginalised that they either go bust or leave the industry.
Why anyone would wish to become so entrenched with MS that they are willing to hand over basic consumer rights I will never know.
I hope MS and the publishers backing this initiative become so marginalised that they either go bust or leave the industry.
Why anyone would wish to become so entrenched with MS that they are willing to hand over basic consumer rights I will never know.
RukusProvider
Banned
Absolutely, fuck them.
I will happily go on the record and state that my fellow mans fear about the futue of video games is of ZERO concern to me.
Instead, I focus that concern energy on those with real issues such as food, clean water, shelter, vaccinations and other basic survival needs.
PanicFreak
Member
The degree by which you resist is the degree by which you're free? Where did you come up with this.
Microsoft isn't setting up work camps and stealing children in the night.
Yeah agreed, the xbone consumer restrictions one, particularly so.
I've given up on MS. The amount of exclusives isn't going to change anything for me. They messed up. Sure, my console is always connected to the internet but it's the principle that matters. If my internet goes out, I have a brick sitting there. It's dumb. And not being able to trade used games freely is the most stupid decision they made, they're going to lose a lot of customers with that decision.
Completely agree. I'm thinking it must be the, um, younger members. To have this much righteous indignation over something so trivial is beyond silly. This isn't a war or a human rights issue. If you don't like it, don't buy it. If consumers don't like it when it's released then the market will decide what happens to the XBOne. Honestly, get some perspective.
Then why are you posting? No one is forcing you to post in or associate yourself with this "embarrassing" thread?
So, people are overreacting to being upset about this console and wanting to try and do something and are taking it too seriously, but you're "embarrassed" about this on a GAMING forum?
I don't understand.
Zabant
Member
What are you doing wasting time, money and energy on video games then? QUICK AFRICA NEEDS YOU!
You'll soon be bitching and whining when microsoft implement something that effects how YOU can play games. When that day comes, I will stand, laugh, and (SHOCKER) support you in your fight to get your rights back, because I believe in the rights of people.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
That's not what I was saying now was it? Maybe try reading next time.
I like it when people say this shit is trivial, but the fact is if this were any other entertainment medium far more people would be pissed and rightfully so.
But no, of course, its just silly vidiya gaemz how could anyone possibly want to do something about wanting to retain their right to first sale for a medium they enjoy? What an absurd idea.
RukusProvider
Banned
I won't be doing any of that, ever. If I'm inconvenienced enough, I'll simply migrate to another platform. I'll never be looking for Zambants support or annoying people on my social network to support such crusades.
From what I've seen of MS plans, I find the convenience factor to be quite high for my usage.
I'm going all digital anyway so none of it matters to me. As with All the various software I use, I don't expect to trade in or resell. It just took a while for console games to get there.
Zabant
Member
Agreed, it also sets a precedent for other industries that might fall under the banner of actually important and not just silly video games.
"Wow, those video game consumers just willingly gave up all their rights to get their fix, we should try that"
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
Totally support the OP and trying my best to educate as many people as I can!
But lets be honest, the masses probably won't care and 99% of them will do this when greeted by the XBL ToS on launch day!
Sadly this is 100% true, and I think everyone here deep down knows that.
Xbudz
Member
NathanMcMahon
Banned
haha
Doug Heffernan
Member
Couldn't agree more.
Eric the Red
Member
I didn't come up with it. The whole thing is, "Freedom is something you assume, then you wait for someone to try to take it away. The degree to which you resist is the degree to which you are free." It applies because before last month we assumed certain things about game ownership. Now that Microsoft is rewriting the rules, if we are indifferent or lackadaisical pretty soon we'll find that we aren't actually as free as we assumed we were last month.
Zabant
Member
You're assuming by that point there will be other platforms to switch to.
And if there actually are other avenues for you to get what you want, who's to say they wont have the exact same thing?
I'm going to guess you will say "Well, by then, i'll stop playing video games"
Exactly, the industry has driven you to a point where you can no longer enjoy something you have had with you your entire life. That's what this entire thing is about.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Its not about converting. Its about informing because we all know how MS is going to BS their way through with PR and not telling the mainstream exactly how it works.
You're missing the point. It's not that the problem should be ignored but that the tone used in discussion of the issue seems a tad hyperbolic. It's something the market will sort out when consumers decide what they want. On top of that the reality of the system isn't upon us yet. Most gamers are OK with Steam but prior to it's release if you'd listed the DRM restrictions to somebody and told them this was what PC gaming would mostly consist of in a couple of years they might have had a similar reaction, but the reality is most people are OK with it.
Express your reservations, wait and see, let the MS shoot themselves in the foot if that's the way things are going to go.
TheMan
Member
This didn't occur to me, but you are totally right. If Microsoft had just gone full on digital and eliminated discs, there would be no neckbeard uproar.
Zabant
Member
While I agree with you, the sad thing is this is how the internet works. He who shouts loudest gets all the attention.
If you care about your rights and want to draw attention to what Microsoft are doing above all the other mindless chatter and bring the attention to those that are not in the know, the best way is sadly to cause the biggest stink.
RukusProvider
Banned
Going all digital in other areas hasn't stopped my from enjoying music, books, movies and I certainly can't see it hurting my video game consumption. Infact, I now consume far more content in those mediums due to to their convenience factor. Most of my game purchases for the past year plus have been on the PC and Live where I simply click a button, buy and download what I want right away.
The inconveniencing factors for me at this point are likely more to be about the UI, the non gaming services offered compared to the competition than how I can or can't trade in my digital library. Or worrying about my Internet dying for more than 24hours.
cleveridea
Member
It's up to Sony now
They can play the saviour card (pure business reason of course) and get core gamer support without these features but potentially lose profit down the road as they lose out on rental and used
My personal concern is what happens with Xbox 3 or 4 or 5 its easy to imagine older games not working since its in their interests to have customers buy next generation consoles - versus steam which is a single evolving platform
They can play the saviour card (pure business reason of course) and get core gamer support without these features but potentially lose profit down the road as they lose out on rental and used
My personal concern is what happens with Xbox 3 or 4 or 5 its easy to imagine older games not working since its in their interests to have customers buy next generation consoles - versus steam which is a single evolving platform
Eric the Red
Member
You do realize that the deck is stacked heavily in the favor of the giant corporations? We are not on an even playing field. You say lay back and let the market sort it out, but MS/etc. aren't going to just "let the market sort it out." They have a multitude of avenues and millions of dollars to make sure people don't realize what they're losing out on until it's gone and there's no competition left.
If not for consumer advocacy, you wouldn't even be able to burn your own CDs.
Captain Tuttle
Member
Jesus, mainstream consumers aren't THAT stupid, they'll figure it out in time and adjust accordingly. Whether they adjust enough to your or my liking is another matter altogether.
Zabant
Member
That's a fine point and i'll agree the same has happened to me when it comes to music. However it doesn't refute my point that letting your rights go right now sets a precedent for more restrictions in the future that will upset you. We should let it be known we as consumers are not going to stand for it now when we actually have something worth saving, not start kicking our feet 10 years down the line when the last scraps are taken from us.
At that point consoles would offer ZERO advantages over pc, only disadvantages.
This. People would know what to expect being that you download everything for the most part. Still the issue with this is the online requirements. Despite doing 24hr check in they are still forcing always online for games that use the cloud bs. Imagine playing Bioshock infinite a SP game and unable to do so unless your are at home or a place with net access.
They are doing all this under the disguise of a trojan horse. Sadly a lot of people will fall for it buying this for their kids, and as gifts for people. The word must be spread!
Zen_Arcade
Banned
The whole point of this thread is to get the word out and make sure people know about these restrictions before buying the console.
I'm not buying it, and I'm keeping people that I know would care about these issues informed about what they will have to deal with if they buy the console.
A lot of people don't know about these issues until its too late and they're dissatisfied. I recently had to explain to my
friend that he can't watch Netflix on his 360 because he let his Gold membership lapse. Not everyone is on top of all of this shit
because they don't spend time on video game websites all day, therefore it's beneficial to let people who would be interested in these issues be informed.
You may not care, but its fucking stupid to tell people not to spread the word to their friends that if they buy something they might not be satisfied with what they're buying. You're saying that the market will decide what happens to the Xbone, and you're right. But the market doesn't mean shit if people aren't informed on their purchases and are buying things that have restrictions they don't agree with.
Sony is already on the record saying leaving it up the publishers. There is zero difference in this policy.
It is one in the same whether or not MS checks it every 24 hours or not.
To those skeptical about grassroots campaigns, remember DIVX (not the codec).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIVX
For those not in the know, DIVX was a competing disc format to DVD with DRM restrictions. The movies could only play for 48 hours after initial viewing and you had to pay a fee for "unlimited" viewings. Also, your player had to be connected to a phone line so that your viewing habits could be monitored. Several studios like Paramount and Fox supported this format over DVD. But because of customer outrage and grassroots campaigns, DIVX was killed off, and DVD became the dominant video format. The same thing can happen to the Xbone, if the word is spread that it's bad for the consumer.
The key difference is that MS already have the infrastructure set up to do it. Publishers would have to make their own on PS4.
Didn't you know? Grassroots movements are just a bunch of entitled whiners who just just want to kick and scream against the hopeless inevitability of change.
Integrity isn't something that turns on and off like a light switch for most people.
I think this is just an awkward middle ground between the old paradigm and the inevitable DD only future. I also think that the situation for gamers as consumers is dramatically more competitive now than it was in the 80s and 90s and that consumers have much more power than they did back then. The videogame market is fickle and risky and being a 'giant' is no guarantee of success as history has proven.
I think it's more that I have little sympathy with people who don't do a modicum of research before spending hundreds of pounds on a product. In fact it bugs me.
And? At the end of the day if publishers say no trade in without a fee then both these companies have accepted that thus far.
PS4 has been confirmed it can be used offline permanently, not a lot of this shitty bollocks would actually be possible.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
HOW?! How will it "help" us?
SirButterstick
Banned
THIS THREAD IS A CALL TO ACTION!!!!!!1
I have no idea why you can't support your fellow gamers and focus the majority of your energy on important real world issues at the same time. It doesn't take much afford to click an RT button or post that flier on other forums to spark a discussion.
That leaves you and me with enough time to think about important issues outside of our hobby that deserve attention as well!
That said getting rid of used games, is touching a major issue. The increasing gap between the poor and rich. Not everyone had the chance to enjoy a good education or a family business, granting them a job that pays well enough, to simply accept that MS and co are taking away the possibility to enjoy new releases on day one by trading in their old games for a proper price or borrowing them from friends. You probably don't share my opinion, but if anyone has deserved to escape their world by playing games after a day of hard manual labor, it's those who pick up your trash, scrub your toilets and pick the food you have on your table every day!
But I guess having a console that excludes the majority of the proletariat must give you a real kick!
Mel Brooks probably summed up your attitude best with this little clip from History of the World Part 1.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYqF_BtIwAU
That leaves you and me with enough time to think about important issues outside of our hobby that deserve attention as well!
That said getting rid of used games, is touching a major issue. The increasing gap between the poor and rich. Not everyone had the chance to enjoy a good education or a family business, granting them a job that pays well enough, to simply accept that MS and co are taking away the possibility to enjoy new releases on day one by trading in their old games for a proper price or borrowing them from friends. You probably don't share my opinion, but if anyone has deserved to escape their world by playing games after a day of hard manual labor, it's those who pick up your trash, scrub your toilets and pick the food you have on your table every day!
But I guess having a console that excludes the majority of the proletariat must give you a real kick!
Mel Brooks probably summed up your attitude best with this little clip from History of the World Part 1.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYqF_BtIwAU
It's embarrassing that there are still consumers in this day and age that are happy to eat any shit shovelled into their months instead of using the powerful tools at their disposal.
BudokaiMR2
Member
I honestly think they are cutting out a lot more people than they realize though.
For example there is a very good chance that their online DRM will get snagged on blocked ports, etc. at universities across the country. Somehow they even managed to block Xbox Live on the University of Florida campus while I lived there.
Hell, I was actually in an apartment complex NEAR campus completely unrelated to the school and had to argue with the management for weeks to get them to unblock the ports I needed for Xbox Live and several other games.
Never move into an apartment with internet worked into the services. Lol
I also used to live on the Gulf Coast near two of the biggest military bases in the state and had tons of friends in the military.
Anyone who has lived in America should know that almost every damn Marine, Ranger, Pilot, Sailor, etc. plays games. Almost every person I met who recently rotated back battled their borderline PTSD with CoD and other games. Or made it worse. Not sure which in all honesty.
I know they are just two groups, but university kids and people in the military? Those are two groups that MS had in the bag this last generation. And they are risking losing them pretty easily.
Ol No Bones
Banned
Buy it if this doesn't bother you and don't purchaseif it does bother you. It's not that hard. I think trying to convince people to not buy it is a good use of your short time on this earth but if it makes you happy go for it.