M°°nblade;68082351 said:What bothers me the most about MS is that, nothing they announce, feels authentic.
You have this bunch of suits give a presentation to cater to the shareholders, wearing expensive business shirts, bragging about shutting down the second hand market...
Can't really say I agree. Most of the articles on mainstream sites are pretty light and fluffy. Both articles here are really well written post-mortems with some nice facts and a dose of history to provide perspective. If all you are willing to take away from it is what you paraphrased, then no it's probably not worth it. But they touch on three other generations in the articles as well and provide a lot of comparison and history as well as "what they did right and wrong"Article isn't really worth reading, it's the 'Sony won E3, is listening to gamers' article that we've all seen on a million other sites.
The official Xbone reveal with always on DRM, mandatory kinect and 24 hour check-ins was in june, no?When was this?
Gamers dress like that?
its on the android store now
Oh the wrap up for the PS4 article (small, came after touching on Nintendo and third parties):
Damn, £3.99 is a bit steep, otherwise I'd have budged. Surely they can do the digital version cheaper?
Saturn no, Dreamcast yes.I have no access to the whole article, but the comparison with Sega is hardly fitting, they were in an entirely different situation with both Saturn and Dreamcast.
While of course MS is corporately insincere in everything and I trust them as far as I can throw Manhattan, you do have to ask yourself, if you're giving an important presentation to a large audience, wouldn't you think of how to dress yourself?M°°nblade;68082351 said:What bothers me the most about MS is that, nothing they announce, feels authentic.
You have this bunch of suits give a presentation to cater to the shareholders, wearing expensive business shirts, bragging about shutting down the second hand market..
Then those same people put on some 'gaming culture' Tshirts for E3 to cater to core gamers.
M°°nblade;68118606 said:The official Xbone reveal with always on DRM, mandatory kinect and 24 hour check-ins was in june, no?
Saturn no, Dreamcast yes.
The comparison to Saturn is spot on. Sega was coming out of the 16-bit era with monstrous IPs and STILL tons of goodwill despite the recent 32x. Yet they still made hardware mistakes compared to their competitor (betting on the wrong features and customer interest like MS), released at a higher price (which like MS they could have lowered had they not been so stubborn), and sent the public and retailers a confusing message (launch, availability, 32x, etc). The Saturn is almost a downright scary comparison.
Not that he plays games, but he looks like the very definition of a dudebro.
While of course MS is corporately insincere in everything and I trust them as far as I can throw Manhattan, you do have to ask yourself, if you're giving an important presentation to a large audience, wouldn't you think of how to dress yourself?
I know I do. Maybe not necessarily to please the audience, but at least not too stand out too much, just look a bit better than the rest.
M°°nblade;68136401 said:Ofcourse I would think of how I dress myself.
My point was more that an execute putting on a T-shirt to pretend to be someone he isn't, hurts his authenticity.Maybe it's because I live in Europe, but a guy dressing himself up like what he imagines his audience - the average gamer - to look like, comes of pretty fake. It's the same with hiring employees to clap their hands to me. It even comes of even insulting imo because he's stereotyping. And nobody likes to be stereotyped.
It doesn't matter how hard he tries to blend in with his audience saying 'I may be a MS executive wearing a suite, but underneath that vest, I'm wearing a Tshirt because I'm one of you, guys!'. The truth is he's still a MS executive, trying to sugarcoat a message his audience clearly didn't like.
Phil Spencer in a Eurogamer interview said:Myself, I don't build games, I run an organisation of studios. We're creating a platform for all styles of games. I wanted to make sure that when we're standing up there - it's why I was trying to do something even as trivial as wearing the State of Decay t-shirt when I came out. So State of Decay, done by a small studio in Seattle that we've known for a while, is having tremendous success and I'm just really happy for the guys there.
Does the article seem like it was actually written after Microsoft's reversal or is there an "update" section or something?
M°°nblade;68082351 said:What bothers me the most about MS is that, nothing they announce, feels authentic.
Cerny.Serious question, do any (Sony,MS,Nintendo) of them feel "authentic" when they talk on stage. The presentations are rehearsed to nauseum in advance and they all have PR up their ass to make sure they don't stray from the rehearsed points.
They..are..all..fake.
This is a multi billion dollar industry, the talking heads for the public are all playing a role. They all have mcMansions and families and a real life outside of whatever inanimate box they are trying to get you to buy
Concerning the attire:
- Trying to have an audience relate to you is CRAZY
- Do you have any person pics of Phil Spencer to know how he dresses from day to day?
I still don't see the new article with Android, is it a Canada thing?
Well said.There is no controversy when it reflects the general sentiment.
Serious question, do any (Sony,MS,Nintendo) of them feel "authentic" when they talk on stage. The presentations are rehearsed to nauseum in advance and they all have PR up their ass to make sure they don't stray from the rehearsed points.
Can't find it... Bleh.
You can rehearse as much as you want and still be genuine.
Well said.
Genuine implies you a truly excited about the product, I just cannot see these executives being thrilled at that level.
Cerny I do agree with as he is directly involved with the creation. But has he ever presented before at a Sony event? It was pure genius for them to have him do it.
The only problem is it doesn't, not anymore.
I didn't get the impression that there was any big shift, in any polls or the "Are you buying an Xbox one now?" Gaf thread.The only problem is it doesn't, not anymore. I'm sure you'll notice that in various threads a significant number of people are now talking about actually picking up Xbox One, many at launch. It has plenty of interesting games coming, the policies that drove many away aren't in place anymore, and the inclusion of Kinect and the comparatively higher price evidently aren't terrible problems for a lot of folks.
Now, if Edge wasn't taking the most recent development of the situation into account, as some people have pointed out, those claims from the cover would make much more sense. But that's not the case.
That's your opinion and you're entitled to it, but mainstream sentiment hasn't changed significantly, as far as I can see. Numerous questions are still up in the air about how those DRM policies came about in the first place and those who were responsible for their inclusion, Kinect is still anathema to the hardcore gaming community, the hardware is less powerful in direct comparison to the competition, and the messaging is one that swings from pillar to post. Not exactly confidence inspiring when it comes to a clear direction for the console, and none of that has changed.The only problem is it doesn't, not anymore.
The only problem is it doesn't, not anymore. I'm sure you'll notice that in various threads a significant number of people are now talking about actually picking up Xbox One, many at launch. It has plenty of interesting games coming, the policies that drove many away aren't in place anymore, and the inclusion of Kinect and the comparatively higher price evidently aren't terrible problems for a lot of folks.
Now, if Edge wasn't taking the most recent development of the situation into account, as some people have pointed out, those claims from the cover would make much more sense. But that's not the case.
Never judge consumer responses via GAF. This place is an island mecca for gamers. Out in the no-GAF world, my experience is that a lot of people know about the original XBone policies and said "no way". However, far less people are even aware that MS did a 180 on those policies. MS is in need of a big information campaign.The only problem is it doesn't, not anymore. I'm sure you'll notice that in various threads a significant number of people are now talking about actually picking up Xbox One, many at launch. It has plenty of interesting games coming, the policies that drove many away aren't in place anymore, and the inclusion of Kinect and the comparatively higher price evidently aren't terrible problems for a lot of folks.
Now, if Edge wasn't taking the most recent development of the situation into account, as some people have pointed out, those claims from the cover would make much more sense. But that's not the case.
That's your opinion and you're entitled to it, but mainstream sentiment hasn't changed significantly, as far as I can see. Numerous questions are still up in the air about how those DRM policies came about in the first place and those who were responsible for their inclusion, Kinect is still anathema to the hardcore gaming community, the hardware is less powerful in direct comparison to the competition, and the messaging is one that swings from pillar to post. Not exactly confidence inspiring when it comes to a clear direction for the console, and none of that has changed.
The only problem is it doesn't, not anymore. I'm sure you'll notice that in various threads a significant number of people are now talking about actually picking up Xbox One, many at launch. It has plenty of interesting games coming, the policies that drove many away aren't in place anymore, and the inclusion of Kinect and the comparatively higher price evidently aren't terrible problems for a lot of folks.
Now, if Edge wasn't taking the most recent development of the situation into account, as some people have pointed out, those claims from the cover would make much more sense. But that's not the case.
So the cover statements were just a way of stirring controversy and attracting attention, as I expected.
Maybe. And maybe House is not being entirely honest, since even Sony's own Adam Boyes admitted they only "locked in" with gamers' demands when famousmortimer's campaign was already going strong.
And what if Sony wanted this to happen? Maybe they choose the DRM-less path long ago... And they wanted to use that for viral marketing. To lure us.
The #PS4NODRM campaign had certainly a much more negative impact on MS than on Sony. What if we were just puppets and famousmortimer was just in contact with Sony to inflame GAF? Maybe we were just fooled (for the good cause, because even without famousmortimer, it would have been very good for us gamers to defend our cause) into Yoshida's master plan or something.
They wanted big advantage at E3 and #PS4NODRM gave them some momentum against MS, maybe got them in a position where MS must have done a 180 on those DRM policies.
Just a thought but hell, if it was just marketing in some way, it was a very brillant way indeed.
Never judge consumer responses via GAF. This place is an island mecca for gamers. Out in the no-GAF world, my experience is that a lot of people know about the original XBone policies and said "no way". However, far less people are even aware that MS did a 180 on those policies. MS is in need of a big information campaign.
This is exactly how I feel.M°°nblade;68082351 said:What bothers me the most about MS is that, nothing they announce, feels authentic.
It creates a narrative that few can deny.
The only problem is it doesn't, not anymore. I'm sure you'll notice that in various threads a significant number of people are now talking about actually picking up Xbox One, many at launch. It has plenty of interesting games coming, the policies that drove many away aren't in place anymore, and the inclusion of Kinect and the comparatively higher price evidently aren't terrible problems for a lot of folks.
Now, if Edge wasn't taking the most recent development of the situation into account, as some people have pointed out, those claims from the cover would make much more sense. But that's not the case.
I don't think you're going to win that one. I think general sentiment is still pro-PS4.
The only problem is it doesn't, not anymore
Sure, but all I'm saying is it's not pro-PS4 to the extent that justifies the issue's cover anymore. From what I've seen here and elsewhere, that much is quite obvious, but hey, if some people feel differently, that's their prerogative.
The only problem is it doesn't, not anymore. I'm sure you'll notice that in various threads a significant number of people are now talking about actually picking up Xbox One, many at launch. It has plenty of interesting games coming, the policies that drove many away aren't in place anymore, and the inclusion of Kinect and the comparatively higher price evidently aren't terrible problems for a lot of folks.
Now, if Edge wasn't taking the most recent development of the situation into account, as some people have pointed out, those claims from the cover would make much more sense. But that's not the case.
Typical gaming media. Flash cover, but the meat of the article is realistic bland and not nearly as vicious as they pretend to be.The two articles (XB1 and PS4) were really well balanced, I thought. Not really inkeeping with the childish fanboy baiting on the cover
Serious question, do any (Sony,MS,Nintendo) of them feel "authentic" when they talk on stage. The presentations are rehearsed to nauseum in advance and they all have PR up their ass to make sure they don't stray from the rehearsed points.
They..are..all..fake.
This is a multi billion dollar industry, the talking heads for the public are all playing a role. They all have mcMansions and families and a real life outside of whatever inanimate box they are trying to get you to buy
Concerning the attire:
- Trying to have an audience relate to you is CRAZY
- Do you have any person pics of Phil Spencer to know how he dresses from day to day?
I still don't see the new article with Android, is it a Canada thing?