Coming from someone that has been there for Wii, DS, 3DS and Wii U launch... Yes it is.
PS4 knocks the teeth out of Wii U's mouth as far as bang for your buck is considered.
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Iwata: "Some developers have become pessimistic about Wii U"
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Coming from someone that has been there for Wii, DS, 3DS and Wii U launch... Yes it is.
PS4 knocks the teeth out of Wii U's mouth as far as bang for your buck is considered.
Memory sticks?
Nintendo hardware is not overpriced?
I can get a PS3 and a tablet for less then the Wii U.
I could prob get a VITA and a PS3 for less then the Wii U too if I looked around.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Online fees are optional, and they don't bother me personally since I basically never play online games anyway, but yeah, they do suck for people who are online gamers.
As for the memory stick thing, those are definitely overpriced. Not that anyone really gives a shit about the Vita anyway
Even more hyperbole.
Its a $300 console. Its only $350 if you want a packed in game, plus a host of other goodies.
Even if you are only talking about graphics (which given the nature of your post, I assume you are) it has been established that WiiU is more powerful than last gen.
Besides graphics, the gamepad is an incredibly fun and unique experience once it has been in your home for a couple of days. You are not going to get that experience from arguing on neogaf.
The Horror the horror
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You might not see a problem with this, but I do.
Hypothetically speaking, had Nintendo and Sony "partnered" prior to the Wii generation, there would likely be no Wii Mote and probably no motion controls because Sony would have never gone along with it, and it would have been their final call, thus depriving someone like me of games that, to this day, are among some of my favorites due in part to the Wii Motion controls
I like diversity, and what makes this hobby so damn interesting to me is that we have companies that are willing to try something crazy and out of the box. Nintendo fills that void for me.
I doubt you could do this if you are buying new. If you are talking about buying them used, this is a pretty worthless argument.
Including a generous 32GB harddrive and bunch of plastic crap I haven't even bothered unwrapping... Yay.
Considering that Playstation 4 is only $100 more doesn't look good at all on Wii U. No matter how you look at it.
A post isn't hyperbole just because you disagree.
The $350 bundle is the most popular, no?
Also, I said "discernible difference".
That in fact is not true. WiiU does not support a large portion of the frameworks developers will be using in the coming years due to it's limited power. The way it's architecture works is closer to next gen's but that makes porting from current gen consoles harder task than it sould. Add that hardware sales are the lowest in company's history and that software isn't selling avobe 350k for third partys and you have quite a pile of reasons to stop any dev to porting their games to WiiU.
Wii was a blue ocean product that aimed to play a completely different role on the market and it succeeded at that performing amazingly in nearly all departments. WiiU is a red ocean product that tries to appeal to the audience already consuming PS3 and 360 and the kind of consumer that is interested on buying PS4 and XBone. Somehow the also went the "not-making-the-console-as-powerful-as-the-others" rule even if they had to play by the same rules to appeal to the same kind of consumer. That's a dumb decision originated by incompetence or an unclear buisness vision.
metalslimer
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Wiiu is extremely overpriced to the point of being a. Joke
Keep moving those goal posts.
If you don't like the 2 year digital promotion, NintendoLand, extra memory, or the charging cradle, then you don't need to choose that SKU. Which would leave you with a $300 CONSOLE.
Basic is so unpopular that they're recalling it in the US last I heard.
-Pyromaniac-
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I don't think you know what physically impossible means lol
JordanN
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Sony was working on motion controls since 1999...
While Nintendo obviously made the first big push, there's nothing to suggest Sony couldn't have revealed it on their own accord.
Exactly? 400-300=100. I mean my math head isn't all that great but don't mock me.
Besides didn't they recall Basic just last month? I'm not sure if it's even an option right now. You still would have to buy Nintendo Land considering how awesome it is.
Nintendo has been working on motion controls since the NES era.
Linkstrikesback
Member
Not enough to be "better" on any meaningful level it isn't. It's far too weak to even hope for ports from Xbone/PS4, let alone expect them as a normal move. So really, the argument is moot.
"what it delivers"? What do you mean by that? not enough graphics or something? The hardware is being sold at loss, Nintendo values other things more than raw power, and that is the whole point of a "different design philosophy".
PS4, like WiiU, are priced accordingly to what they offer, PS4 design philosophy is simply not cheap, and that is obviously seen in its price.
I guess you are in the crowd that sees the gamepad and the lagless streaming as a cheap gimmick, worth zero moneys, and will never touch it, that doesn't mean Nintendo got it for free and that it won't impact the price of the final product.
Steve Youngblood
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I don't think it's necessarily objectively overpriced in as much as I would argue that they have failed to get the marketplace excited about the GamePad, which has most definitely been a problem and will continue to be going forward. However, though I have no qualm with agreeing that it's not a strong, mass market value proposition right now -- which really can't be argued given the sales -- I stop short of thinking it's some laughably overpriced piece of garbage.
Well, glad that you enjoy it. Unfortunately for Nintendo, they're learning that consistent "whimsy" and going against proven trends at every level of design is a half-cocked business strategy.
Nintendo has been so focused on designing "different" hardware they've lost track of creating "good" or "commercially viable" hardware.
...but continue being happy with that as Nintendo continues to fail.
Sorry, didn't mean to mock. Its just that sometimes things steamroll in these thread and people make assumptions that are simply not true.
My best guess? They recall the basics, drop the price of the premium to $300.
The Horror the horror
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So what if they were "working" on it. They would have NEVER made it a cornerstone of their console or even released one as an accessory. Keep reaching, though.
But Nintendo told me that they have learned about 3DS price drop and won't let it happen again...
Oh well bring on ambassador program with 10 GameCube games and 10 N64 games and I can find it from my heart to forgive you!
ViewtifulJC
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That's like that one argument my aggressively-anti-Nintendo friend says about Nintendo saving the industry after the video game crash. "That's highly overstated, there was nothing stopping Sega/NEC/Atari/etc from stepping up with more time and a different situation, yadda yadda, etc"
could've, should've, would've
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JordanN
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And you know this how? Do you think Nintendo has a monopoly of making accessories/secondary features a cornerstone of products? Vita and XBO disagree.
That's not the point. To say Nintendo would only do motion controls while others had their own plans is myopic. Even if it meant releasing it in 2015, Nintendo still wouldn't be the sole owners of it.
The Horror the horror
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Yeah, we all wish Nintendo had followed Sony's hardware example with the Vita. They'd be in such great shape now.
GrotesqueBeauty
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I think it launched $50 too high for each sku (I thought the same of the Wii and 3DS, which obviously took wildly different paths). Given how cut throat Sony is going with their pricing Nintendo needs to go even lower if they're going to cut the price, because dropping it twice in a row is not really an option. Consumer confidence is already pretty low without they flailing around with their MSRP, so Nintendo needs to make one decisive move. I've said it before and I'll say it again, they should axe the Basic sku and drop the price of the Deluxe to $269. Maybe do a Black Friday deal that bundles a NSMBU download if the want to be aggressive for the holiday (and they should be).
The Horror the horror
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What accessory or secondary feature is a cornerstone of the Vita exactly?
JordanN
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The two touchscreens.
If they keep pursuing third party exclusives like Monster Hunter, Bayonetta, TW101, etc that's not gonna be so true anymore. Those three games outshine the fuck out of Nintendo's own studios on the Wii U.
I think things would get interesting if the dropped the Premium SKU to 300 and the basic SKU to 250.
I think basic SKU is really the best option for most people but Nintendo did not send the message correctly.
Unless someone is interested in Nintendoland, the basic pack is the best option imo. Sure you don't get as much memory, the pastic stands or the online promo. But if you are going to download full retail games to your WiiU, 32gb are as useless as 8 and you will have to use an external device regarless. Also Nintendo's eShop is not a great deal since (at least Nintendo games) cost as much as a physical copy so the promotion "buy 5 get one free" may not make you save as much money as waiting to retail prices to drop (especillay if you live in Europe).
I think basic SKU is really the best option for most people but Nintendo did not send the message correctly.
Unless someone is interested in Nintendoland, the basic pack is the best option imo. Sure you don't get as much memory, the pastic stands or the online promo. But if you are going to download full retail games to your WiiU, 32gb are as useless as 8 and you will have to use an external device regarless. Also Nintendo's eShop is not a great deal since (at least Nintendo games) cost as much as a physical copy so the promotion "buy 5 get one free" may not make you save as much money as waiting to retail prices to drop (especillay if you live in Europe).
Yes, because I was clearly was referring to the Vita. Come on now.
I know we're all emotional but let's not get crazy here.
The Horror the horror
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TOUCHSCREEN. After how many years its become an industry and even mainstream standard? Implementing touch screen technology in 2012 isn't bold, it isn't risky or out of the box...it's practically common sense.
Psycho_Mantis
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The fact that the PS4 is a generation ahead in terms of hardware and has a 500GB hard drive yet is only $50 clearly gives a perception that the WiiU is over priced.
Don't project your anti-Nintendo bias onto the marketplace. Some of us like "whimsy" and different styles of gameplay. The failures of the WiiU are due to terrible marketing and development delays due to the transition to HD. All mistakes of Nintendo's doing. But its not like the world fell out of love with "whimsy."
Tell that to Nintendo that tries to justify Wii U's price with that innovation.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Or that the PS4 is underpriced.
GrotesqueBeauty
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I thought New Super Luigi U was $10 cheaper on eshop and released a month earlier?
The Horror the horror
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I'm specifically talking about Nintendo's hardware philosophy in relation to that of Sony's. If you're willing to dismiss the Vita/3DS because it poses a strong argument against your case, then that's your problem.
Such thing doesn't exist in the market. You price your product and the others are either on line with your pricing or they overprice (Wii U, XBONE). That's just how capitalism works.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
What it delivers in terms of hardware. They tried to make a (half-assed) powerful console to appeal to the core market, but that market already have PS360s and PCs and the Wii U's slightly-better-than-current-gen specs and lackluster third party offerings hasn't given that market any reason to pick up a Wii U, and the expanded audience that bought the Wii has gone elsewhere.
As for the gamepad, the concept is neat but you are right, it's not something I personally care much about at all. Had they dropped the gamepad and instead spent the money on beefing up the specs and securing third party support to make the console appealing to other than the core Nintendo fanbase, the Wii U could potentially have been doing much better. Or it could still have been a failure. Hard to say, really.
Weirdest thing is that PS4 will not be sold at loss while WiiU is.
velvet_nitemare
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The 3DS hardware was hilariously overpriced at launch. Then you had games like Pilotwings and Steel Diver for $40, joke all around
Lordwindowlicker
Member
So, you're including buying used and through non-retail outlets? If so, then you really have no idea what price you could get a Wii U for using the same resources.
Once again, its $100 cheaper. And online is free.
I'm not "projecting my bias." The MARKET is rejecting the Wii U.
At 8 months in you can't blame marketing.
Psycho_Mantis
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It doesn't matter. Either way its puts the WiiU in bad light in terms of a price point.
True, but it's the exception. The rest of Nintendo's digital portfolio is priced as it's physical counterpart.
GrotesqueBeauty
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Given the disparity between storage, horsepower, and online features this is not a sufficient price difference to make the Wii U a great value proposition for most people. Especially with with PS3 and 360 bundles floating around with bigger HDDs and multiple games.
One step at a time. I do think Nintendo needs to soften on their "evergreen" pricing stance, both with physical and DD. They waited until the Wii was pretty much dead before even releasing a budget line. That, imo, was a huge mistake, especially as new software dried up and sales started dropping precipitously.
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