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[benny_a]

hird, the 360 light is on the face of the controller and does not face the television; therefore, no reflection.

It isn't even diffusing the light due to the reflection? It just straight up is facing in my direction on the 360?

My goggles, they do nothing!

They don't look any brighter than the Move controller. The camera is over-exposing for generally dim conditions making the lightbar look brighter than it is. And that's also why the reflections seem so noticeable in the vid. It really isn't that noticeable under normal conditions.

That's the same explanation the "scientists" are using to "explain" why we can't see any stars in the background of the photos from the first manned "moon landing."

I'm onto you.

 

[RoKKeR]

This might sound dumb, but if they do not fix the light bar issue I will not purchase a ps4. I will put tape over it if it is allowed, but if it must remain exposed I just cant do it. Having a blue light reflecting off of my screen, moving around and causing a distraction is unacceptable. I take great pains to ensure I have zero glare on my television, It is something I personally cannot tolerate. I would rather put up with sneaky DRM than a damn light floating around on my television when I am playing games.

Up until I saw photos of the lightbar reflecting on screens and how distracting it would be I was PS4 all the way. I am not sure now...

Yep, you're right, it is dumb. Put some fucking electrical tape if it ends up bothering you.

 

[8bits]

I love how everyone is jumping all over the OP for his own personal opinion....oh well, nothing new.

Anyway, how much bandwidth will Gaikai use when streaming ps3 games? When Microsoft says anything about digital downloads Gaf gets butt hurt about data caps on ISPs. Surely streaming a ps3 game will use quite a bit of bandwidth, or do data caps not apply to Gaikai?

 

[michaelius]

Sounds like major case of first world problems in the op.

 

[Dragon1893]

Stuff mentioned in the op is so trivial that I have a hard time believing these things could be deciding factors for anyone.

 

[xxracerxx]

I love how everyone is jumping all over the OP for his own personal opinion....oh well, nothing new.

OP called them major problems, that is why people are 'jumping' on him.

 

[ChorusLindarr]

Wow, meltdowns over a light on the flamin controller. This thread has ascended to even greater heights of ludicrousness.

 

[DeviantBoi]

I'll gladly take all those problems over an overpriced and underpowered machine that has a camera and microphone that sends user data to a company that works closely with the NSA to make that data available to them.

 

[8bits]

OP called them major problems, that is why people are 'jumping' on him.

Yeah...major problems to him...because of, you know, his opinion and all.

 

[DeviantBoi]

Wow, meltdowns over a light on the flamin controller. This thread has ascended to even greater heights of ludicrousness.

The only reason why this is an issue is because Kinect can't be turned off on the XBone.

 

[FranXico]

I actually just tried pointing a flashlight at my TV to see if could see the reflection, and I couldn't see a thing. EDIT: While the TV is on, of course.

As for Gaikai bandwidth, I agree and am not expecting much at all from that service. I hope that at least something as old/simple as PS1 and PSMinis games can run off an emulator in the PS4.

 

[benny_a]

Yeah...major problems to him...because of, you know, his opinion and all.

No need to defend the OP. He already failed his own thread.

Actually, I didn't mention the paywall because I don't give a shit about the paywall. PS+ already provided enough value that I paid for it anyway, so making online play part of it didn't bother me in the least.

Because you feel they're non issues that makes them so? Thanks for dropping that knowledge.

 

[dsigns1]

I love how everyone is jumping all over the OP for his own personal opinion....oh well, nothing new.

Anyway, how much bandwidth will Gaikai use when streaming ps3 games? When Microsoft says anything about digital downloads Gaf gets butt hurt about data caps on ISPs. Surely streaming a ps3 game will use quite a bit of bandwidth, or do data caps not apply to Gaikai?

I think there would be less backlash if it was just a list of things the OP hopes get fixed. But calling these issues deal breakers and wanting to switch to a more expensive less powerful console because of them causes people to jump all over him.

 

[xxracerxx]

Yeah...major problems to him...because of, you know, his opinion and all.

All threads would be pointless if we couldn't have debates over opinions, sorry you feel differently.

 

[Bomb-Threat]

Yeah...major problems to him...because of, you know, his opinion and all.

OP did not include My in the title...

 

[Clockwork5]

Yep, you're right, it is dumb. Put some fucking electrical tape if it ends up bothering you.

Yay!! let me put some "fucking electrical tape" on my brand new console controller! Im sure someday I will forget it is even there. Why so hostile?

 

[Justin]

My only 2 concerns at the moment are what promised features will actually make launch (video streaming, social features, controlling friends games, play as games download etc...) and when they will announce an exclusive game I am interested in.

 

[NullPointer]

Why not base the baseline off the Vita's experience, given it's newer hardware then the ps3 and solves a lot fo the issues that the ps3 had?

This seems more than fair. I just don't have any experience with the Vita.

Has anybody broken down the improvements over PS3?

 

[artist]

I think one of the major concerns OP missed is the sharp edge, it will not play well with kids.

 

[Gemüsepizza]

While I think it is legitimate to make a list with the flaws of the PS4, the OP seems to be full of hyperbole, speculation and bias, for example in sentences like this "For everything Sony gets right, they get something else very wrong." or "I'm just concerned that as we saw in the previous gen, Microsoft is constantly looking forward, and always ensures that the basics are done right.". Seriously? And when looking at his lists of "concerning issues", there are points which aren't even confirmed yet. And the statement: "but here are some areas I still have concerns about, and frankly, the more I consider all of them, I begin to think the Xbox One might just be the one I buy first." seems to be just absurd: So "problems" like a fucking lightbar reflection, which you might not even notice, is a bigger reason for concern than things like the price, performance and consumer friendliness of the Xbox One? Really?

 

[xxracerxx]

Yay!! let me put some "fucking electrical tape" on my brand new console controller! Im sure someday I will forget it is even there. Why so hostile?

You just said you were fine with putting tape on the controller.

 

[8bits]

I think there would be less backlash if it was just a list of things the OP hopes get fixed. But calling these issues deal breakers and wanting to switch to a more expensive less powerful console because of them causes people to jump all over him.

Once again, does it even matter what a deal breaker is for him? It's not like he is on some crusade trying to get Gaf to cancel PS4 pre-orders and pick up an xbone. Also, who cares if he wants to pay more for a console that you don't want. I fail to understand why Gaf gets so extremely offended when someone says they have a specific problem with the PS4 or that they prefer the xbone to the PS4.

 

[benny_a]

You just said you were fine with putting tape on the controller.

Oh shit I said that with this alt account? Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

I fail to understand why Gaf gets so extremely offended when someone says they have a specific problem with the PS4 or that they prefer the xbone to the PS4.

Is this your thing where you just call GAF some hivemind every post? Especially when there are hundreds of threads on this forum. And I can probably point you to various posters that share your specific point of view for the most ludicrous things you can come up with.

Just like nobody ever discussed Gaikai bandwidth, right?

 

[Pristine_Condition]

Grasping at straws here when a lightbar and your fricking ID are #1 and #2 on the list

No shit.

Especially when the fact that if somebody has a PSN ID that they don't like, it's their own fault. Sony didn't pick your PSN ID for you, YOU picked it.

And isn't Sony trying to get most people to interact with their real friends using their real names anyway? So even if Sony doesn't allow you to change your PSN, the only people that will see the PSN name that you chose so poorly are people you've chosen to remain anonymous from anyway.

Really, if this is the second-most pressing issue RE: PS4--fixing a problem that you yourself created--well...that's pretty awesome for Sony.

 

[dsigns1]

Once again, does it even matter what a deal breaker is for him? It's not like he is on some crusade trying to get Gaf to cancel PS4 pre-orders and pick up an xbone. Also, who cares if he wants to pay more for a console that you don't want. I fail to understand why Gaf gets so extremely offended when someone says they have a specific problem with the PS4 or that they prefer the xbone to the PS4.

Because this is a public forum and when someone posts their opinion, people respond with their own. Why do you have a problem if others disagree with his stance? Isn't that the whole point of a message board?

 

[xxracerxx]

Once again, does it even matter what a deal breaker is for him? It's not like he is on some crusade trying to get Gaf to cancel PS4 pre-orders and pick up an xbone. Also, who cares if he wants to pay more for a console that you don't want. I fail to understand why Gaf gets so extremely offended when someone says they have a specific problem with the PS4 or that they prefer the xbone to the PS4.

Why are you even talking about the XBOX in here? Seems like you are trying to stir the pot more.

 

[8bits]

OP did not include My in the title...

However, when considering which console I buy this fall, I wanted to look at the big picture for a moment. To consider every aspect of these new consoles, and how I expect things to actually play out when owning one.

Doesn't matter, title is inconclusive.

 

[semiconscious]

If those trivial problems are your list of grievances, then Sony must be doing something right.

seriously. looking forward to a follow-up on what the op finds 'wrong' with the ceiling of the sistine chapel ...

 

[8bits]

Why are you even talking about the XBOX in here? Seems like you are trying to stir the pot more.

Well, the OP talked about the xbone and multiple other people have talked about the xbone sooo my bad for mentioning it?

OP creates a topic on highly trafficked forum known for its active, highly vocal and opinionated members and you don't suppose he wasn't inviting this on himself? This. Is. NeoGAF.

Haha very true!

 

[seventynine]

Because the PS3 experience is a known baseline. We don't know how much has been improved or to what extent.

Its no different than people presuming that the Xbone will have the 360's user experience as a baseline.

The baseline moved up a notch or two with the Vita (as mentioned earlier in this thread). It bears repeating but the PS3 at launch had a very narrow vision for online and for a OS needs to be. They hacked in what they could and they've had a whole generation's worth of feedback to work from, and it shows in the Vita and especially in what they've already shown for PS4.

 

[Clockwork5]

You just said you were fine with putting tape on the controller.

Fine with it? No. Will i do it if it is the only way to obscure the light? Yes. Has it caused me to reconsider my Day 1 PS4 purchase? Absolutely. I am never fine with putting a piece of tape on a brand new $400 piece of electronics.

 

[kaching]

I love how everyone is jumping all over the OP for his own personal opinion....oh well, nothing new.

OP creates a topic on highly trafficked forum known for its active, highly vocal and opinionated members and you don't suppose he wasn't inviting this on himself? This. Is. NeoGAF.

 

[dsigns1]

Fine with it? No. Will i do it if it is the only way to obscure the light? Yes. Has it caused me to reconsider my Day 1 PS4 purchase? Absolutely. I am never fine with putting a piece of tape on a brand new $400 piece of electronics.

I went a rewatched the video where the screenshots are from and the only time you see the reflection of the light is when the screen shows all black areas. Funnily enough if I turn off my tv I can see a reflection of everything in the room, not just light sources.

 

[Ultra Magnus]

If you're going to bash the PS4 based on shit the PS3 did wrong, you're just being silly.

The PS4 will have it's own faults and little annoyances no doubt, but acting like the PS4 will have the same problems as it's predecessor is plain ridiculous.
The PS4 is 100% completely new hardware, a completely new UI and software and it's 7 years later. A big difference.

Your only "real" complaint (the install times) has been shown to be minimized time and time again, at the reveal, at E3, at various interviews, etcetera.

This

 

[Raonak]

is the lightbar really that much of an issue? I played move a lot in the dark and never really noticed a reflection.

 

[kaching]

That's the same explanation the "scientists" are using to "explain" why we can't see any stars in the background of the photos from the first manned "moon landing."

I'm onto you.

I'm not saying they were filmed at the same facility, I'm just saying...aliens.

 

[Oppo]

Fine with it? No. Will i do it if it is the only way to obscure the light? Yes. Has it caused me to reconsider my Day 1 PS4 purchase? Absolutely. I am never fine with putting a piece of tape on a brand new $400 piece of electronics.

Devs control the light. Maybe you base your decision on the games that actually pose a problem?

is the lightbar really that much of an issue? I played move a lot in the dark and never really noticed a reflection.

Me too, I think it's just become a sort of talking point against the DS4 by reactionary posters. They gotta latch onto something.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

Because the PS3 experience is a known baseline. We don't know how much has been improved or to what extent.

Its no different than people presuming that the Xbone will have the 360's user experience as a baseline.

PS3 is not the baseline Vita is since it is Sony most recent system when comes to OS stuff .

 

[Jack_AG]

This might sound dumb, but if they do not fix the light bar issue I will not purchase a ps4. I will put tape over it if it is allowed, but if it must remain exposed I just cant do it. Having a blue light reflecting off of my screen, moving around and causing a distraction is unacceptable. I take great pains to ensure I have zero glare on my television, It is something I personally cannot tolerate. I would rather put up with sneaky DRM than a damn light floating around on my television when I am playing games.

Up until I saw photos of the lightbar reflecting on screens and how distracting it would be I was PS4 all the way. I am not sure now...

Ehhhh ... I give this a 2/10.

 

[Clockwork5]

I went a rewatched the video where the screenshots are from and the only time you see the reflection of the light is when the screen shows all black areas. Funnily enough if I turn off my tv I can see a reflection of everything in the room, not just light sources.

So do you play dark games (survival horror, stealth games etc..) with the lights off? I do. This will be an issue in those circumstances... Every time. In fact i almost exclusively play games at night with the lights off, so this will always be an issue. I really enjoy how defensive people are in this thread. I am just pointing out a legitimate concern and get blasted for it. Oh well, GAF goes on.

 

[NullPointer]

The baseline moved up a notch or two with the Vita (as mentioned earlier in this thread). It bears repeating but the PS3 at launch had a very narrow vision for online and for a OS needs to be. They hacked in what they could and they've had a whole generation's worth of feedback to work from, and it shows in the Vita and especially in what they've already shown for PS4.

PS3 is not the baseline Vita is since it is Sony most recent system when comes to OS stuff .

Yeah, I agree with you guys.

This seems more than fair. I just don't have any experience with the Vita.

Has anybody broken down the improvements over PS3?

 

[benny_a]

is the lightbar really that much of an issue? I played move a lot in the dark and never really noticed a reflection.

On the very early TTP videos you can see that on very few backgrounds there is a slight reflection visible. (Off-screen shot videos back then.)
Based on such footage (that is 20 minutes long with a move in front of a TV at all times) instead of a cherry picked screenshot it doesn't seem like a big issue.

It should still be user controlled and if possible have a global software dimmer for people with highly reflective screens.

I am just pointing out a legitimate concern and get blasted for it. Oh well, GAF goes on.

Yes. You are the only reasonable person on this forum, sans 8bit I guess. GAF is a hivemind after all and full of frothing Sony fanboys that don't have independent thought.

 

[BigJonsson]

All those concerns are not problems for me at all.......who cares about a lightbar and this is my first Sony console so those other problems are N/A for me

 

[Oppo]

So do you play dark games (survival horror, stealth games etc..) with the lights off? I do. This will be an issue in those circumstances... Every time. In fact i almost exclusively play games at night with the lights off, so this will always be an issue. I really enjoy how defensive people are in this thread. I am just pointing out a legitimate concern and get blasted for it. Oh well, GAF goes on.

And I am telling you, in my dark basement, with a 50" glass-faced plasma sitting 3 meters from me, at eye level, playing Heavy Rain with Move (which is much brighter and bigger), at no time did the reflection even register. Is a non issue. Believe me. You are just wrong on this, sorry.

You have a suspicion. I'm telling you, it's fine. From experience. You needn't fret so much.

 

[dsigns1]

So do you play dark games (survival horror, stealth games etc..) with the lights off? I do. This will be an issue in those circumstances... Every time. In fact i almost exclusively play games at night with the lights off, so this will always be an issue. I really enjoy how defensive people are in this thread. I am just pointing out a legitimate concern and get blasted for it. Oh well, GAF goes on.

Sony has stated that developers can turn off the light. So a game like that, you would think that the developer would give you that option. If they don't...blame the developer.

 

[8bits]

So do you play dark games (survival horror, stealth games etc..) with the lights off? I do. This will be an issue in those circumstances... Every time. In fact i almost exclusively play games at night with the lights off, so this will always be an issue. I really enjoy how defensive people are in this thread. I am just pointing out a legitimate concern and get blasted for it. Oh well, GAF goes on.

You might as well drop it. Soon, people will probably start saying you work for Microsoft PR. Either way, I don't think it's something that can necessarily be decided early on. When different sites start getting consoles closer to launch I am sure we will get some confirmation.

And I am telling you, in my dark basement, with a 50" glass-faced plasma sitting 3 meters from me, at eye level, playing Heavy Rain with Move (which is much brighter and bigger), at no time did the reflection even register. Is a non issue. Believe me. You are just wrong on this, sorry.

You have a suspicion. I'm telling you, it's fine. From experience. You needn't fret so much.

Well that's good to know. It seems like if the light ever is a problem it will only be in rare circumstances, if the devs even require that it be on.

 

[FranXico]

And I am telling you, in my dark basement, with a 50" glass-faced plasma sitting 3 meters from me, at eye level, playing Heavy Rain with Move (which is much brighter and bigger), at no time did the reflection even register. Is a non issue. Believe me. You are just wrong on this, sorry.

You have a suspicion. I'm telling you, it's fine. From experience. You needn't fret so much.

Sadly, some people just refuse to listen.

 

[NullPointer]

Sony has stated that developers can turn off the light. So a game like that, you would think that the developer would give you that option. If they don't...blame the developer.

If devs can disable it then it can be disabled in software, which means it can be a system setting. Hopefully it will be exactly that.

 

[Woo-Fu]

Unless the OP is satire somebody is trying way too hard.

 

[AlphaDump]

2) Still can't change your PSN ID name. Yes, this is a small thing to some, but for others it's a big annoyance, myself included. This was possible on the Xbox 360 the day it launched in 2005. Here we are 8 years later, and it's still not possible on PS3. Maybe it will be possible on PS4, but we have yet to hear about it.

This is actually a pretty valid point. I have mine preordered, but I really do hope they fix this.