MS seems really adamant about these power rumors being false. I can't wait for the DF face offs this fall.
I think it will be much less. I think it's more likely you will be disappointed if you think 720p on one version and 1080p will be the standard.You think it will be more or less of a difference? If you think more I think you are in for some disappointment. From a dev's perspective, what's the point of making the PS4 version a lot better? Resolution tuning is cheap and easy.
hey al, there aren't any character limits here on GAF. no need for abbrv'd half-statements on twitter with all the depth of a puddle of chihuahua piss in the desert.
And the 360 vs PS3 stuff wasn't a big deal either for the most part. Mostly just fanboy wars.
I'm inclined to believe the PS4 is substantially more powerful based on the spec sheets alone. Also a few brave developers dropping a hint here and there.
However, Microsoft designed a very smart console in the Xbox 360. They had foresight on many fronts when designing that console, which allowed them to update their OS over time, and add things like party chat, etc. So part of me doesn't believe Microsoft would design a console that puts them at a substantial disadvantage.
The CPU clock increase likely gives the XB1 a minor advantage in that area, and I believe it also has more memory bandwidth available to the CPU.
The PS3 GPU was weaker...and not by a lot.
The gap between the Xbone and PS4 is much much much larger.
Penello just keeps digging his hole ..STHAP"Perf. differences are greatly overstated."
how could he say this if he don't know the changes that Sony done to their SoC?
the changes Sony made could have been a lot better than the changes that they made so the differences could be bigger than what people think.
just a thought.
But my understanding as far as the PS3 was that it was that way because it had goofy architecture. The Xbox One and PS4 have almost the same architecture so I wouldn't imagine that the games would be that different.
With all due respect, I don't believe Albert. Compare the 7850 (1.76TF) with the 7770 (1.28TF). The performance difference is staggering. Now both the PS4 and Xbox One have better GPUs than the aforementioned (1.84 vs 1.31). However, the gap between the two console GPUs is greater than the gap between the two AMD GPUs that I have just mentioned.
Here is badb0y's writeup:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=74541511&postcount=621
I do not see how Microsoft will mitigate that gap unless they're using some sorcery.
I agree that the average consumer won't notice the graphical differences.You can bet your ass they will notice that $100 price difference though! lol
I'm not so sure that's what Albert is talking about. I believe he's going to argue that their console is "tuned" and "balanced" better than Sony's. That when you add it all up in the real world, the differences will be trivial in most cases.
I think it will be much less. I think it's more likely you will be disappointed if you think 720p on one version and 1080p will be the standard.
I agree that the average consumer won't notice.You can bet your ass they will notice that $100 price difference though! lol
I'm not so sure that's what Albert is talking about. I believe he's going to argue that their console is "tuned" and "balanced" better than Sony's. That when you add it all up in the real world, the differences will be trivial in most cases.
It's NOT MS decision at all. MS are responsible for their console only.
Let's put it this way:
Is X1 powerful console? Yes, it is.
Is X1 more powerful than PS4? HELL NO
Why X1 is weaker than PS4?
MS designed X1 to be perfectly balanced and powerful according to their vision.
It's just happen to be that Sony was more ambitious (regarding power) and they were able to outdo MS efforts in this area.
Seems overly defensive to keep saying "performance differences are overstated" at the end of every point. It becomes watered down and seems like a concerted marketing push.
Penello is still adamant that the power disparity between the two consoles is still not as huge as commonly believed. Based on the data we currently know, do you tech savvy guys believe there is any feasible way that he could be correct or are his arguments just damage control?
I think it will be much less. I think it's more likely you will be disappointed if you think 720p on one version and 1080p will be the standard.
I'm impressed.It's NOT MS decision at all. MS are responsible for their console only.
Let's put it this way:
Is X1 powerful console? Yes, it is.
Is X1 more powerful than PS4? HELL NO
Why X1 is weaker than PS4?
MS designed X1 to be perfectly balanced and powerful according to their vision.
It's just happen to be that Sony was more ambitious (regarding power) and they were able to outdo MS efforts in this area.
Penello just keeps digging his hole ..STHAP
He isn't claiming the power disparity is less, he is saying the disparity in output won't be as evident as people seem to think. The PS4 is obviously more powerful on paper, but the systems are more than the sums of their parts. To me, the PS4 launch games look a little better but there isn't a huge disparity so far. I wouldn't be surprised to see that disparity grow, but I also still remember all the "Xbox 1.5" bullshit from 2005
I expect PS4 to win the face-offs easily and it will be mighty embarrassing for MS. If the differences are small they still lose, because optimization. PS4 fans get the superior game and customer satisfaction, get to say games will continue to be optimized down the line as devs "get to grips / huma etc" so the face-off gaps will widen. Whilst bone fans will have no comeback.
"Perf. differences are greatly overstated."
how could he say this if he don't know the changes that Sony done to their SoC?
the changes Sony made could have been a lot better than the changes that they made so the differences could be bigger than what people think.
just a thought.
But how clearly would that be in a multiplat comparison shot? I have terrible vision and sometimes can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080p.
You are looking to much into what he said. He is just trying to clarify things.
That's what panello implied - read what I quoted again. How else could he arrive at the conclusion that a 40% difference in paper specs will be balanced out in the end?
He's not really digging a hole. If you were on a team that was working on a multi year project that was about to come out at the same time as a competitor's new thing, you too would be defending your work. There's nothing wrong with standing behind your work and supporting it.
I don't agree with that. I bought a 360 primarily because it ran multiplatform games like Bayonetta and Assassin's Creed 2 better than the PS3 did.
I'm not a COD guy, but I read a lot about how the PS3 versions always lagged behind in terms of performance and networking and that contributed to that game selling more on 360.
It's NOT MS decision at all. MS are responsible for their console only.
Let's put it this way:
Is X1 powerful console? Yes, it is.
Is X1 more powerful than PS4? HELL NO
Why X1 is weaker than PS4?
MS designed X1 to be perfectly balanced and powerful according to their vision.
It's just happen to be that Sony was more ambitious (regarding power) and they were able to outdo MS efforts in this area.
Hello friends.
Post crap at your peril.
Let me give you an analogy. You can have two cars.I agree that the average consumer won't notice. I'm not so sure that's what Albert is talking about. I believe he's going to argue that their console is "tuned" and "balanced" better than Sony's. That when you add it all up in the real world, the differences will be trivial in most cases.
Yeah, I'm not speaking for Albert.
To be honest, for many games I think the differences will be less than 720p vs 1080p but it's an easy metric to throw out there to help frame the discussion.
I think his post above suggested he was gone for a bit, came back and was able to moderate?Why did you unlock this thread!?
Let me give you an analogy. You can have two cars.
One car is a BMW 335i, a 330hp coupe. You have tuned the suspension settings. The gear ratios are perfect. The tyres have the 'right' pressure and width. The torque, camber, ride height, aerodynamics are all 'balanced' - you get the picture.
The other is a BMW M3. It has no such tuning. but is packing a 414HP V8 engine.
What will you place your bets on?
To be fair to Microsoft, you can't really expect their PR to be like, "Yeah, we done fucked up. There's a 40% difference here, you guys. Did you hear me?? Forty fucking percent! Where's my whiskey bottle?"
A friend of a friend who works in the HR division at Microsoft confirmed that there's a second GPU hidden in the external power supply that's currently dormant and will be lit up with a future firmware update when the need arises.
It's NOT MS decision at all. MS are responsible for their console only.
Let's put it this way:
Is X1 powerful console? Yes, it is.
Is X1 more powerful than PS4? HELL NO
Why X1 is weaker than PS4?
MS designed X1 to be perfectly balanced and powerful according to their vision.
It's just happen to be that Sony was more ambitious (regarding power) and they were able to outdo MS efforts in this area.
Let me give you an analogy. You can have two cars.
One car is a BMW 335i, a 330hp coupe. You have tuned the suspension settings. The gear ratios are perfect. The tyres have the 'right' pressure and width. The torque, camber, ride height, aerodynamics are all 'balanced' - you get the picture.
The other is a BMW M3. It has no such tuning. but is packing a 414HP V8 engine.
What will you place your bets on?
That would be because 360 has no presence in Japan and Bayonetta bombed elsewhere.We'll agree to disagree. Did you know Bayonetta sold better on the PS3?
Also, the 360 got earlier COD DLC and in the beginning of the console life cycle had better online support.
What a dogshit comparison.
So in this scenario, Sony basically threw powerful components in a box and called it a day?
Lol. Come on brotha.
It's a silly comparison because that would imply that Sony doesn't tune the PS4's system for maximum performance too.
Let me give you an analogy. You can have two cars.
One car is a BMW 335i, a 330hp coupe. You have tuned the suspension settings. The gear ratios are perfect. The tyres have the 'right' pressure and width. The torque, camber, ride height, aerodynamics are all 'balanced' - you get the picture.
The other is a BMW M3. It has no such tuning. but is packing a 414HP V8 engine.
What will you place your bets on?
Why did you unlock this thread!?
Exactly, I never understood the concern. If anything, people should want both consoles to do well because competition promotes innovation. I don't want to live in a world deprived of choice, where all we have is one console.
I just want great games, graphical fidelity isn't everything. Both consoles will be capable of rendering amazing looking textures. Give me games!
Let me give you an analogy. You can have two cars.
One car is a BMW 335i, a 330hp coupe. You have tuned the suspension settings. The gear ratios are perfect. The tyres have the 'right' pressure and width. The torque, camber, ride height, aerodynamics are all 'balanced' - you get the picture.
The other is a BMW M3. It has no such tuning. but is packing a 414HP V8 engine.
What will you place your bets on?
I actually think a lot more of that will depend on what framerates they're going to lock games at more than anything else. Quite a few of those are above 30 on the weaker card, but under 60 on the stronger, and others are under 20/over 30 and would probably be in the same situation as the other games once optimized for consoles. If they opt to just lock at 30 FPS then you'll have consistent performance as far as most people can see, even if perhaps the PS4 version has fewer FPS dips.With all due respect, I don't believe Albert. Compare the 7850 (1.76TF) with the 7770 (1.28TF). The performance difference is staggering. Now both the PS4 and Xbox One have better GPUs than the aforementioned (1.84 vs 1.31). However, the gap between the two console GPUs is greater than the gap between the two AMD GPUs that I have just mentioned.
Here is badb0y's writeup:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=74541511&postcount=621
I do not see how Microsoft will mitigate that gap unless they're using some sorcery.