RadarScope1
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I think you're absolutley right. PS4 looking like a solid buy right now by comparison.
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XB1 TV features to be supported only for US/Japan at launch
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Indeed not to mention Virgin media aswell seems like they not only dropped the ball it rolled of the cliff aswell
He stated that tv functionality is not something that early adopters (core gamers) are interested in so they aren't going to prioritize it right away. I know I'm not that interested in it. And judging by GAFs reaction to the initial x1 reveal, most core gamers aren't either. The tv focus is why alot of people jumped ship.
Is it dissapointing that it isn't ready for launch? yeah. But he's right. Hardcore gamers who buy your console right away dont care about tv. So why would you focus on that instead of what they want? Which I assume would be games.
So they're basically asking me to invest in a box and get less capability than elsewhere and to accept that I only "might" see the value of that at some point?
I don't want to pay extra for the inbound port and a console/camera designed to support a lot of media features I can't even get.
Man the XB1 just keeps sounding worse and worse over here.
I don't want to pay extra for the inbound port and a console/camera designed to support a lot of media features I can't even get.
Man the XB1 just keeps sounding worse and worse over here.
So, in the UK, we're paying a large premium for a Kinect that doesn't have any compelling software, and TV integration that is, well, not integrated.
With each passing day it looks like MS did have a vision for their console, they simply didn't stick to it, because so many of the key features wouldn't be working outside the US market.
I can well imagine, by the time MS get these services upto speed across Europe, Sony will have an all encompassing streaming service with Sky etc., negating the need for a cable/satellite box.
With each passing day it looks like MS did have a vision for their console, they simply didn't stick to it, because so many of the key features wouldn't be working outside the US market.
I can well imagine, by the time MS get these services upto speed across Europe, Sony will have an all encompassing streaming service with Sky etc., negating the need for a cable/satellite box.
smarmyjerkface
Banned
Found this on reddit:
(and Japan)
I know that's meant to be a negative, but that looks pretty sweet. \m/
Found this on reddit:
(and Japan)
Well it's not launching in Japan anytime this year or even early next year, so "and Japan" isn't necessary.
R3TRODYCE
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Some people remember what they want to remember.
Jezbollah
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Well, if you consider Freeview as a platform, MS have only 3 major TV delivery platforms that involve set top boxes that they would need to cater for in the UK.
(I am wondering if there was any of us in the UK who would expect all this to work immediately).
CassidyIzABeast
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So this is only in relation to the One Guide stuff correct? If PS4 can work I'm sure any cable box under the sun with a HDMI out would work as well.
flipswitch
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Have I got this right. Voice recognition will only work in US/JAP at launch?
(Changing channels with your voice)
(Changing channels with your voice)
shiftplusone
Member
It's more like "you spend all this God damn time showing these stupid features and 90%(or whatever 1/13 is percentage wise) of your launch countries won't be able to even use them?"
And considering some of their reasoning for delays in most countries are 1.) Localization and 2.) Securing tv deals
It's just silly.
Jezbollah
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No - voice commands will only be available for United States, United Kingdom, Canada, France, and Germany
Yes, I actually did. UK is a major market for MS, and it isn't rocket science
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
NTSC. Probably easier to work with one standard at a time.
As I said before, The XBOX "guide" is a bit pointless in the UK. Every freeview enabled TV (Basically all of them now) has this feature in someway or another. You can argue Kinect integration, but honestly, most people are happywith the button combo. "press red now" much be ingrained in the nations psyche at this point.
But what about the fact that Xbox One won't have the full TV functionality at launch? Penello sees it as a demographic question. It's not going to be us it's not the early adopters that this is a problem [for] - which is why we're not prioritising solving it right off the bat, because the price of the consoles will have to come down like they do in every generation, the market will expand..."
How is this not blatant anti-consumerism? Oh, it's not our problem, so too bad for our most hardcore fans who will shell out $500 to get an incomplete version of our "vision". Terrible.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
But it doesn't come out in Japan until next year...
love the tag "for those who matter"
smarmyjerkface
Banned
That's not what he's saying. In the article he said he doesn't watch live TV anymore. He's saying people like himself are buying the box at launch to play games. They're not looking for a cable box. The TV features are for another demographic, who come later.
ThisWreckage
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The development of the Xbox One is nothing short of a comedy of errors. They unveiled this damn thing with a conference detailing its tv features and how it was paving the way for the future. They've since backtracked on a vast majority of their philosophy and the tv features aren't even going to be available to everyone at launch. Very few people still give a shit about it anyway.
CassidyIzABeast
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You can plug any HDMI cable box into the system. You just won't be able to get the advanced One Guide features in the countries outside of the US and JP as far as I understand. No different than any other product launch.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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In the UK there is basically only one. Virgin.
IIn the UK at least, Its not so much a case of there being too many service providers, its more a case that its hard, outside maybe cross promotion, to convince either SKY or Virgin to get involved. There is no benefit for them to support the Xbox one outside the current app support. Its like asking phone carriers to bundle Whatsapp, without any data charges, in their text plan.
I'm no convinced they need to do deals with specific providers. Guide data is available from third part companies and is nothing to do with sky or Virgin. The only thing they need is the channel number information and IR codes (these are also readily licensed)
I'm honestly at a loss as to why this seems so difficult. Maybe they won't make launch, but if they don't have guide support for the UK by summer next year,then something is badly wrong
Prince Vultan
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Wait, no TV support at launch?
That doesn't make any sense at all, what the fuck are people supposed to play their games on?
That doesn't make any sense at all, what the fuck are people supposed to play their games on?
Yup and most countries will never get it I bet.
Zatoichi's Cane
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Glorified G
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Found this on reddit:
(and Japan)
lol is that Tim Hardaway?
I don't blame MS for this one. International media rights are a joke and 15 years since Napster there's no excuse for it.
Let me watch whatever I want, whenever I want for a fair price or I'll keep going to streaming sites for my fix. Ones I imagine will be available through the XBO/PS4 browser. Different deals for different companies/countries is ridiculous.
Let me watch whatever I want, whenever I want for a fair price or I'll keep going to streaming sites for my fix. Ones I imagine will be available through the XBO/PS4 browser. Different deals for different companies/countries is ridiculous.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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But remember, the channels over here freeview especially, have alot of issues with channels closing new channels popping up etc etc. Maybe Microsort hasn't put forward a plan to what they would do in these instances? I know its a simple FW update, but you still need to assign that labour and close to launch, they are probably better off used elsewhere.
I have a feeling that cable services broadcast over the NTSC standard may do some of that legwork for them and thats why they can support Japan at launch. Its the only thing that makes sense.
VibratingDonkey
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As far as I'm concerned I'm already living in the future of the TV experience I want. Watch whatever, whenever, without commercials. Stream to monitor, TV, third screen, etc. Expanded libraries and live events and we're just about at the apex.
So I find it difficult to get upset about this TV situation. If I'm to be annoyed at anything it ought to be that they're spending resources on that at all.
And the escalating trend of Microsoft basically only seeming to give a shit about the US is, you know, not a good look.
But Remedy and Swery are cool people, so...
So I find it difficult to get upset about this TV situation. If I'm to be annoyed at anything it ought to be that they're spending resources on that at all.
And the escalating trend of Microsoft basically only seeming to give a shit about the US is, you know, not a good look.
But Remedy and Swery are cool people, so...
Particularly baffling as they've had all this stuff running on Media Center for donkeys years.
mrlovepump
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As unpopular opinion as it might be the TV stuff was the only real motivator for me to pick up an XBO at launch in addition to the PS4. Having a busy family the whole voice thing works for my particular situation (i.e. being about to shout into the room to control the TV) however without it what is the xbox one in the UK? its nothing.. its an overpriced, lower spec PS4. I am historically an xboxer through and through but I am really failing to see what the point is in the Xbox One if they cannot offer these services very quickly.
I am not paying £500 for Forza as that, as it stands is the only reason to buy one in the UK.
I am not paying £500 for Forza as that, as it stands is the only reason to buy one in the UK.
It just seems mind boggling to me that they still haven't explained how much / little of the TV functionality is going to work in "unsupported" countries like the UK. Surely when saying something like, "hey, the full TV experience is only going to be available in the US and Japan at launch", it would be common sense to follow up with a line like "but don't panic because you'll still be able to do THIS stuff in the other countries." Bang out a basic video showing how you can still use the IR blaster and a set top box to get a decent TV experience fulfilling at least some of the original promise. They wouldn't even have to do it themselves - they could invite a site like Techradar or DigitalSpy down to their offices to film. It would cost literally nothing.
Mind you, Microsoft making themselves and their products look terrible through ill-thought-out PR shouldn't surprise me by now.
Mind you, Microsoft making themselves and their products look terrible through ill-thought-out PR shouldn't surprise me by now.
Found this on reddit:
(and Japan)
Ohhh man this has me rolling.
dragonelite
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I think when it comes to tv europe is one big clusterfuck i guess.
Different countries different providers
USA, USA, USA!
One of, if not, THE most memorable Chicagoland area ad campaigns of ALL-TIME. Such classic commercials
fabricated backlash
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Anyone familiar with the european broadcasting jungle shouldn't be surprised by this.
MS is hardly at fault here. It's a fucking mess, and I can see why they're not prioritising this feature in Europe.
MS is hardly at fault here. It's a fucking mess, and I can see why they're not prioritising this feature in Europe.
Sky is huge in the uk and is pretty big in eu, they should be on to them.
I'm just not sure what the benefit for companies like Sky and Virgin Media would be. They've invested heavily in their set top boxes over the years and so the prospect of their machines running as a secondary box through another machine can't be all that attractive to them. Things like Xbox video would be seen as a direct competitor to their own video on demand services too surely.
agreed, digitalspy would lap this up
and even if MS won't support this at launch, give us an idea of when it might be. Right now its just nothing..
fabricated backlash
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It's not that easy, just because one provider is present in multiple states, doesn't mean that you simply can strike a deal with one of them and then hope to have it be legal in all places.
Broadcast laws in Europe are a fucking mess. As much as the EU is moving towards improving trade in between the Eurozones, the fact that many state owned TV broadcasters basically live off broadcast taxes, makes it a complete clusterfuck.
I mean even the 360 was IP locked so you couldn't use UK apps like Radio on your main land 360.
With TV content, it's going to be a whole other mess. I wish them luck, personally, I've long given up on TV. I'll wait until Netflix comes to Austria, and that's basically all I'm going to need.
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