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Digital Foundry: Microsoft to unlock more GPU power for Xbox One developers

Perkel

Banned
You're making up your own standards. In 'PC Tech' there are a variety of cards including ones that completely obliterate either a 7850-7870 and cards that's the complete opposite. How you gather mid-range out of that is impossible. The closest you can get is actually try to measure what pc gamers are using and Steam hardware survey is the only one really doing that. And by that measure 7850-7870 is not even close to mid range, much higher than that actually.


No your are changing definitions. 7850-7870 ARE mid range cards. They are described even by AMD as midrange.
Low range- mid range and high range are measured by pricetopower ratio.
All supeexpensive stuff like Titan are not Highend hardware but enthusiast which means there is no ceiling to money spent. 3xTitan is also in enthusiast range. My company flex blades and workstations are also considered enthusiast range if private person would buy them. High end currently is 79xx GTX680-670

Currently consoles have low-mid range CPU and mid range GPU feature wise with few additions.
 

khanthony

Banned
As a programmer and tech enthusiast, I'm much much more impressed/interested with what MS is doing with XB1 as a whole.

Talking about their system in depth isn't a way to "show" they're desperate or anything like that at all... Instead, they're being HONEST. Seriously, I hear less and less about PS4's technical features and that's just makes that boring to me lol. XB1 on the other hand... definitely some interesting tech going on in there. I wouldn't be surprised if XB1's overall gaming performance is similar to the PS4's with all the off-load co-processors and customized hardware. The only thing we know PS4 has more is TFLOPs, the amount of floating point it can churn though, but as for gaming performance... That's really hard to figure because it's complex stuff beyond numbers (well, not really, but it's beyond a COUPLE of NUMBERS. There's hundreds of factors.)

And no secret sauce. Just plain understanding of technology.

Well, that's just my opinion so don't take it seriously and try to eat me up.
 

SHADES

Member
PS3 outsold 360 in total WW sales after releasing 18 months later at a higher price ($200).

Do you honestly want me to believe that 360 would've similar success if PS3 released at the same time? please dude, use some logic there.

PS3 would have led by 30+ million units in such scenario, easily.

To be fair it would be more like 15-20m but your point still stands.
 

Ebomb

Banned
A lot of that had to do with the PS3 delay. If they launched at the same time, it's possible developers would have led with the PS3 version, despite developer tools not being mature at the time, because of the success of the PS2.

XBL would have made the Xbox very competitive at the outset, price less so since Sony were touting free online.

Double edged sword, if they launched at the same time, PS3 wouldn't have had a blu-ray player which, at least anecodotely for me, was a strong factor for several non gamers I know buying a PS3.
 

RoboPlato

I'd be in the dick
As a programmer and tech enthusiast, I'm much much more impressed/interested with what MS is doing with XB1 as a whole.

Talking about their system in depth isn't a way to "show" they're desperate or anything like that at all... Instead, they're being HONEST. Seriously, I hear less and less about PS4's technical features and that's just makes that boring to me lol. XB1 on the other hand... definitely some interesting tech going on in there. I wouldn't be surprised if XB1's overall gaming performance is similar to the PS4's with all the off-load co-processors and customized hardware. The only thing we know PS4 has more is TFLOPs, the amount of floating point it can churn though, but as for gaming performance... That's really hard to figure because it's complex stuff beyond numbers (well, not really, but it's beyond a COUPLE of NUMBERS. There's hundreds of factors.)

And no secret sauce. Just plain understanding of technology.

Well, that's just my opinion so don't take it seriously and try to eat me up.
We've had a lot of breakdowns on PS4 hardware for a while now. All the custom stuff that MS has put in is to make up for innate inefficiencies the XBO architecture has and extra OS overhead that the PS4 doesn't. It's a more complex architecture for sure but not in way that could lead to more performance, or even similar performance, in the long run.
 
Major Nelson was the one who tweeted about it.

microsoft-comments-on-ps4-reveal-tweet_1.png

Oh wow. Lmao. They didn't even show any games -__-.

Of course they thought it was a better strategy to show the TV features... just like Sony thought it was a better strategy to focus on their new ideologies and capabilities.
 

IN&OUT

Banned
As a programmer and tech enthusiast, I'm much much more impressed/interested with what MS is doing with XB1 as a whole.

Talking about their system in depth isn't a way to "show" they're desperate or anything like that at all... Instead, they're being HONEST. Seriously, I hear less and less about PS4's technical features and that's just makes that boring to me lol. XB1 on the other hand... definitely some interesting tech going on in there. I wouldn't be surprised if XB1's overall gaming performance is similar to the PS4's with all the off-load co-processors and customized hardware. The only thing we know PS4 has more is TFLOPs, the amount of floating point it can churn though, but as for gaming performance... That's really hard to figure because it's complex stuff beyond numbers (well, not really, but it's beyond a COUPLE of NUMBERS. There's hundreds of factors.)

And no secret sauce. Just plain understanding of technology.

Well, that's just my opinion so don't take it seriously and try to eat me up.

Where were you last 6 months, MARS?!
 

Cidd

Member
As a programmer and tech enthusiast, I'm much much more impressed/interested with what MS is doing with XB1 as a whole.

Talking about their system in depth isn't a way to "show" they're desperate or anything like that at all... Instead, they're being HONEST. Seriously, I hear less and less about PS4's technical features and that's just makes that boring to me lol. XB1 on the other hand... definitely some interesting tech going on in there. I wouldn't be surprised if XB1's overall gaming performance is similar to the PS4's with all the off-load co-processors and customized hardware. The only thing we know PS4 has more is TFLOPs, the amount of floating point it can churn though, but as for gaming performance... That's really hard to figure because it's complex stuff beyond numbers (well, not really, but it's beyond a COUPLE of NUMBERS. There's hundreds of factors.)

And no secret sauce. Just plain understanding of technology.

Well, that's just my opinion so don't take it seriously and try to eat me up.

Mhm ok.

*checks post history*

Just as I thought...
 

SHADES

Member
As a programmer and tech enthusiast, I'm much much more impressed/interested with what MS is doing with XB1 as a whole.

Talking about their system in depth isn't a way to "show" they're desperate or anything like that at all... Instead, they're being HONEST. Seriously, I hear less and less about PS4's technical features and that's just makes that boring to me lol. XB1 on the other hand... definitely some interesting tech going on in there. I wouldn't be surprised if XB1's overall gaming performance is similar to the PS4's with all the off-load co-processors and customized hardware. The only thing we know PS4 has more is TFLOPs, the amount of floating point it can churn though, but as for gaming performance... That's really hard to figure because it's complex stuff beyond numbers (well, not really, but it's beyond a COUPLE of NUMBERS. There's hundreds of factors.)

And no secret sauce. Just plain understanding of technology.

Well, that's just my opinion so don't take it seriously and try to eat me up.


You also here less & less about the PS4's technical issues & PITA to develop for hence why we do not see PR coming out of the wood work every 5minutes trying rectify a negative message but hey ho.
 
Here is why xbox one is in trouble

Xbox vs PS2

Xbox had superior hardware but ps2 reign had gone on for a few years and it had 100s of games. It was easier to develop for Xbox but gamers were still not into xbox fully yet even though ps2 was harder to develop for and it was old now

Xbox 360 vs ps3

Xbox gpu was better but ps3 cpu was better. This resulted in near parity and as 360 was cheaper they got the 360 as their gaming console while ps3 was a pain to develop for

Xbox one vs ps4

Xbox one gpu and cpu is weaker than ps4 and ram is weaker as well. The price is higher and the architecture is similar so this is the first time ps4 would be as easy to develop as Xbox while being superior all the way around and priced $100 less


Gamers look at current trend and just like 360 overruled ps2 popularity, the ps4 will overrule the 360's popularity due to an all round advantage.
 
As a programmer and tech enthusiast, I'm much much more impressed/interested with what MS is doing with XB1 as a whole.

Talking about their system in depth isn't a way to "show" they're desperate or anything like that at all... Instead, they're being HONEST. Seriously, I hear less and less about PS4's technical features and that's just makes that boring to me lol. XB1 on the other hand... definitely some interesting tech going on in there. I wouldn't be surprised if XB1's overall gaming performance is similar to the PS4's with all the off-load co-processors and customized hardware. The only thing we know PS4 has more is TFLOPs, the amount of floating point it can churn though, but as for gaming performance... That's really hard to figure because it's complex stuff beyond numbers (well, not really, but it's beyond a COUPLE of NUMBERS. There's hundreds of factors.)

And no secret sauce. Just plain understanding of technology.

Well, that's just my opinion so don't take it seriously and try to eat me up.

reading all this, you seem to understand jack shit about tech.
 

IN&OUT

Banned
As a programmer and tech enthusiast, I'm much much more impressed/interested with what MS is doing with XB1 as a whole.

Talking about their system in depth isn't a way to "show" they're desperate or anything like that at all... Instead, they're being HONEST. Seriously, I hear less and less about PS4's technical features and that's just makes that boring to me lol. XB1 on the other hand... definitely some interesting tech going on in there. I wouldn't be surprised if XB1's overall gaming performance is similar to the PS4's with all the off-load co-processors and customized hardware. The only thing we know PS4 has more is TFLOPs, the amount of floating point it can churn though, but as for gaming performance... That's really hard to figure because it's complex stuff beyond numbers (well, not really, but it's beyond a COUPLE of NUMBERS. There's hundreds of factors.)

And no secret sauce. Just plain understanding of technology.

Well, that's just my opinion so don't take it seriously and try to eat me up.

Those disclaimers, I've seen a lot of them recently.

"I'll buy both...." " I don't care I have a powerful PC, but MS is..." , " I pre-ordered PS4 but MS is...."

It's kinda obvious.
 

Alebrije

Member
Sacrifice the balance in order to be closer to PS4, MS must be worried , just wonder how the preorder sales charts are moving these days.
 

SHADES

Member
Those disclaimers, I've seen a lot of them recently.

"I'll buy both...." " I don't care I have a powerful PC, but MS is..." , " I pre-ordered PS4 but MS is...."

It's kinda obvious.

Lol, a fair few seem to be followed by Bish posts also.
 

Niks

Member
As a programmer and tech enthusiast, I'm much much more impressed/interested with what MS is doing with XB1 as a whole.

Talking about their system in depth isn't a way to "show" they're desperate or anything like that at all... Instead, they're being HONEST. Seriously, I hear less and less about PS4's technical features and that's just makes that boring to me lol. XB1 on the other hand... definitely some interesting tech going on in there. I wouldn't be surprised if XB1's overall gaming performance is similar to the PS4's with all the off-load co-processors and customized hardware. The only thing we know PS4 has more is TFLOPs, the amount of floating point it can churn though, but as for gaming performance... That's really hard to figure because it's complex stuff beyond numbers (well, not really, but it's beyond a COUPLE of NUMBERS. There's hundreds of factors.)

And no secret sauce. Just plain understanding of technology.

Well, that's just my opinion so don't take it seriously and try to eat me up.

MS is "talking" about their system in depth because THEY NEED TOO. They are playing catch up, plain and simple.
honest... lol
 

Usobuko

Banned
"I'll buy both...." " I don't care I have a powerful PC, but MS is..." , " I pre-ordered PS4 but MS is...."

If only they have a Nintendo avatar to completely throw others off in a misleading direction, also to direct maple ire towards another competitor.
 
The launch of these systems can't come soon enough, then we can actually discuss the games, the OS, the controllers, the multiplatform differences and so on.
 

kadotsu

Banned
Those disclaimers, I've seen a lot of them recently.

"I'll buy both...." " I don't care I have a powerful PC, but MS is..." , " I pre-ordered PS4 but MS is...."

It's kinda obvious.

There seems to be a correlation between these phrases and "in the end the differences will be minimal", "I can see optimization closing the gap" and "performance advantages don't materialize in the look of a game".
 

Bsigg12

Member
Does anybody else like lurking on other sites reading some of the fanboy drivel from both sides? Xbox fanboys that go and try to spin this as Microsoft has something hidden still and Sony fanboys who say this I'd a deathblow to the Xbox One. Its all really entertaining stuff to read.
 
They successfully gotten me turned around in the whirlwind of PR double-speak, so please met know if I've got this right:

They originally had a significant allotment of GPU functionality reserved for, basically, the Kinect. This reservation is immutable; even if you're playing a game without the Kinect or didn't want to use the Kinect features, it had to be retained more or less to keep the Kinect warmed up and ready to run.

The realization that no one really cares that much about Kinect has caused them to reconsider this plan, possibly freeing up this processing when playing games that doesn't use Kinect in the future. They aren't squeezing blood from a stone, they're just wasting less resources than they otherwise would be on something that isn't in use. Do I have that right?

I hadn't honestly thought about it before, but does this mean that the deep level of Kinect integration means that a significant number of hardware resources are invariably devoted to the device, regardless of the desires of the user and developers? That would mean that in terms of pure gaming performance, the system's even worse than it looks on paper - because there's an extra 10% off the top currently being paid as "Kinect Tax" that isn't usable for other things?

I suppose it's good they're trying to reverse these decisions to free up those resources, but as someone who doesn't care about the Kinect, I'd kind of rather they weren't going to waste on it to begin with...
 
There seems to be a correlation between these phrases and "in the end the differences will be minimal", "I can see optimization closing the gap" and "performance advantages don't materialize in the look of a game".

"The only thing PS4 has more of is GFlops!"

And as we all know, floating point operations are basically useless when rendering 3d.
 
Does anybody else like lurking on other sites reading some of the fanboy drivel from both sides? Xbox fanboys that go and try to spin this as Microsoft has something hidden still and Sony fanboys who say this I'd a deathblow to the Xbox One. Its all really entertaining stuff to read.

You would love N4G then.
 

Row

Banned
As a programmer and tech enthusiast, I'm much much more impressed/interested with what MS is doing with XB1 as a whole.

Talking about their system in depth isn't a way to "show" they're desperate or anything like that at all... Instead, they're being HONEST. Seriously, I hear less and less about PS4's technical features and that's just makes that boring to me lol. XB1 on the other hand... definitely some interesting tech going on in there. I wouldn't be surprised if XB1's overall gaming performance is similar to the PS4's with all the off-load co-processors and customized hardware. The only thing we know PS4 has more is TFLOPs, the amount of floating point it can churn though, but as for gaming performance... That's really hard to figure because it's complex stuff beyond numbers (well, not really, but it's beyond a COUPLE of NUMBERS. There's hundreds of factors.)

And no secret sauce. Just plain understanding of technology.

Well, that's just my opinion so don't take it seriously and try to eat me up.

Typing random technical terms hoping people are stupid and gullible enough to take it seriously wont work here. Maybe you should try gamefaqs instead?
 
As a programmer and tech enthusiast, I'm much much more impressed/interested with what MS is doing with XB1 as a whole.

Talking about their system in depth isn't a way to "show" they're desperate or anything like that at all... Instead, they're being HONEST. Seriously, I hear less and less about PS4's technical features and that's just makes that boring to me lol. XB1 on the other hand... definitely some interesting tech going on in there. I wouldn't be surprised if XB1's overall gaming performance is similar to the PS4's with all the off-load co-processors and customized hardware. The only thing we know PS4 has more is TFLOPs, the amount of floating point it can churn though, but as for gaming performance... That's really hard to figure because it's complex stuff beyond numbers (well, not really, but it's beyond a COUPLE of NUMBERS. There's hundreds of factors.)

And no secret sauce. Just plain understanding of technology.

Well, that's just my opinion so don't take it seriously and try to eat me up.
Oh boy, here we go again.
 
Maybe, but if you read my history posts, especially the ones on the Killzone dedicated servers, I'm sure you'll see that I do understand "tech" to a certain point, networking at least from that thread >.>.

I'm just here saying my thoughts.

I don't say this to be mean, but are you not a native English speaker?
 
I dunno, but if I was the head of a company that obviously doesn't have the specs to compare to the competitor I would focus on the things that make my system unique and focus on the types of games my system would play. This technical talk is useless, no matter what is said, thrown around, or whatever the PS4 is and always will be more powerful. Such a waste of time to keep trying to make it seem that it's not with all this PR talk, just focus your energy and time on the things you do well.
 
As a programmer and tech enthusiast, I'm much much more impressed/interested with what MS is doing with XB1 as a whole.

Talking about their system in depth isn't a way to "show" they're desperate or anything like that at all... Instead, they're being HONEST. Seriously, I hear less and less about PS4's technical features and that's just makes that boring to me lol. XB1 on the other hand... definitely some interesting tech going on in there. I wouldn't be surprised if XB1's overall gaming performance is similar to the PS4's with all the off-load co-processors and customized hardware. The only thing we know PS4 has more is TFLOPs, the amount of floating point it can churn though, but as for gaming performance... That's really hard to figure because it's complex stuff beyond numbers (well, not really, but it's beyond a COUPLE of NUMBERS. There's hundreds of factors.)

And no secret sauce. Just plain understanding of technology.

Well, that's just my opinion so don't take it seriously and try to eat me up.

Step 1: Introduce yourself as a programmer.
Step 2: Argue against math.

How the fuck does that work?

Seriously though, what advantages does the Xbone have over the PS4? Feel free to get into minute details by the way, I'm a programmer too, so I'll understand whatever you say. By all accounts we've heard (and we've heard a ton of details about both systems), the PS4 is a far better designed system. Trying to argue against this is like trying to swim against the tide.
 
For the most part, yes. It was $200 cheaper and had more appealing exclusives in the opinion of many during its first few years. That's not to mention how much Xbox Live took off.

I mean, we are talking about the system that competed against the successor to the PS2.... the PS2. It couldn't have ate into that success simply due to releasing first and nothing more -- especially given the position the Xbox brand was in before 2006.

But it wasnt nothing more.


Both of what you mentioned came with time. Time gained from launching signifcantly earlier. 2005 xbox live was little better than 2001 Xbox live, it was only with the investment both on Microsofts end and via people buying into the platform (as well as Sonys lack of investment) that the thing grew so quickly. Likewise, the more appealing exclusives are also a product of time and more mature Dev tools.

A launch Gears of war would not of had the impact the game did releasing a year later with the correct time in the oven. Meanwhile Sony and its partners were struggling with launch hardware that was already harder to develop for. If say Gears in its release state, went up against Uncharted in its release state, (they both released the following november after their respective platform launch) there would be much more debate between gamers about what platform had the better exclusives.


This time both are are on a much more equal footing. Xbox one live does like it still has an edge, but until both consoles launch, its unknown how much of one it has. Likewise, the development tools of both consoles are a much closer in maturity so you will be seeing some of the best games of the platform far faster, especailly as Sony has far more experienced studios under their belt.


Finally, we need to move away from this Successor talk. One platform does not predict the performance of its successor. The Xbox didnt predict the 360, The Wii Hasnt predicted the WiiU, The PS2 didnt the PS3. What they can predict is the company philosophy going into the start of the generation, which for many in the short term favours Sony over Microsoft, even if you consider Microsoft to have the stronger launch lineup.


Sony has made it quite clear that they have built a system for developers to deliver high quailty experiences to willing gamers. Microsoft have made it quite clear they want a console balanced around delivery of all media.

It seems clear to me that Sony has the edge now, but microsoft has the potential to decimate in the casual market. However, from a gaming point of view, Sonys approach may lead to a much higher intial install base which in turn will lead to higher quailty games, both from first and third party. Im not predicting a runaway success because neither are at mass market price points, but The design philosophy of the PS4 means in the short term I very much doubt microsoft will have the success they would like. Once they get the causals on board, its another race entirely but disrehgarding Sonys power advantage even then is foolhardy in my opinion.
 

Bgamer90

Banned
PS3 outsold 360 in total WW sales after releasing 18 months later at a higher price ($200).

Do you honestly want me to believe that 360 would've similar success if PS3 released at the same time? please dude, use some logic there.

PS3 would have led by 30+ million units in such scenario, easily.

Heh, okay. I'm not interested in getting into a console war; especially about consoles that are on their way out.

If you don't think that the cheaper price alongside games like Gears of War and services like Xbox Live would have still greatly helped then I don't know what to say to you.

So funny how much people here say games matter the most but yet when I use that for the majority of my reasoning, I'm not being "logical". Double standards indeed.
 

Jack_AG

Banned
As a programmer and tech enthusiast, I'm much much more impressed/interested with what MS is doing with XB1 as a whole.

Talking about their system in depth isn't a way to "show" they're desperate or anything like that at all... Instead, they're being HONEST. Seriously, I hear less and less about PS4's technical features and that's just makes that boring to me lol. XB1 on the other hand... definitely some interesting tech going on in there. I wouldn't be surprised if XB1's overall gaming performance is similar to the PS4's with all the off-load co-processors and customized hardware. The only thing we know PS4 has more is TFLOPs, the amount of floating point it can churn though, but as for gaming performance... That's really hard to figure because it's complex stuff beyond numbers (well, not really, but it's beyond a COUPLE of NUMBERS. There's hundreds of factors.)

And no secret sauce. Just plain understanding of technology.

Well, that's just my opinion so don't take it seriously and try to eat me up.
Well - Sony already showed their cards and have been consistent with their message. Its also not just total TF numbers, if you've been paying attention, junior. PS4 has XB1 beat in performance in almost every area. Its not just the GPU that looms over the XB1 like a dark cloud. We KNOW these numbers so, no, TFs isn't the "only" number we know.

Why ever would a junior with such a suspect join date want to start spreading FUD if not to obfuscate?

Tread lightly, man. You're walking in on a conversation spreading misinformation. This isn't a good tactic as a junior.
 
I dunno, but if I was the head of a company that obviously doesn't have the specs to compare to the competitor I would focus on the things that make my system unique and focus on the types of games my system would play. This technical talk is useless, no matter what is said, thrown around, or whatever the PS4 is and always will be more powerful. Such a waste of time to keep trying to make it seem that it's not with all this PR talk, just focus your energy and time on the things you do well.

It is nice to know that there may be additional resources available in the future, but along with everything else that has gone on and given the company's history it just seems like they're trying to confuse people at this point.

I think they tried to show off the Kinect, but that it didn't excite people like they were hoping it would so now they're just stuck responding to what their competitors are doing (never a good spot to be in as a CE company). Given that the hype train already came and went for Kinect on 360 and without a lot of big games supporting Kinect well on XBONE to sell people on it, how are they supposed to differentiate their product?

These guys? I'm a gamer, exactly like you. I do work in programming.. Look at my short (lol) history. The stuff I said in that Killzone thread is not BS or anything. And, I'm not saying PS4 is weaker or anything close to that... Just think the tech talks are interesting. I'll elaborate more when I get time maybe.

Whatever else you are, you're not doing yourself any favors at this point by continuing to post in this thread.
 

khanthony

Banned
I'm getting good at spotting these guys now, they've been popping up a lot lately.

These guys? I'm a gamer, exactly like you. I do work in programming.. Look at my short (lol) history. The stuff I said in that Killzone thread is not BS or anything. And, I'm not saying PS4 is weaker or anything close to that... Just think the tech talks are interesting. I'll elaborate more when I get time maybe.
 

KidBeta

Junior Member
Maybe, but if you read my history posts, especially the ones on the Killzone dedicated servers, I'm sure you'll see that I do understand "tech" to a certain point, networking at least from that thread >.>.

I'm just here saying my thoughts.

The problem is that you have fallen for Microsofts goal which is to try and make everyone believe that the competitions hardware is somehow massively inefficient. Not to mention the constantly touted 'off-load co-processors' which aside from SHAPE amounts to practically nothing. This isn't saying that the XBONE won't be more efficient its just that I don't think it'll be 50% more efficient .
 

Jack_AG

Banned
These guys? I'm a gamer, exactly like you. I do work in programming.. Look at my short (lol) history. The stuff I said in that Killzone thread is not BS or anything. And, I'm not saying PS4 is weaker or anything close to that... Just think the tech talks are interesting. I'll elaborate more when I get time maybe.
You flat out started spreading misinformation in the post I quoted above.. As if we here at NeoGaf are so easily fooled. We know what you claim nobody knows... Because its readily available information from Sony, themselves.

Your post reeks of MS PR BS. Again, mods here are quick with the ban hammer for those with agendas.
 
As a programmer and tech enthusiast, I'm much much more impressed/interested with what MS is doing with XB1 as a whole.

Talking about their system in depth isn't a way to "show" they're desperate or anything like that at all... Instead, they're being HONEST. Seriously, I hear less and less about PS4's technical features and that's just makes that boring to me lol. XB1 on the other hand... definitely some interesting tech going on in there. I wouldn't be surprised if XB1's overall gaming performance is similar to the PS4's with all the off-load co-processors and customized hardware. The only thing we know PS4 has more is TFLOPs, the amount of floating point it can churn though, but as for gaming performance... That's really hard to figure because it's complex stuff beyond numbers (well, not really, but it's beyond a COUPLE of NUMBERS. There's hundreds of factors.)

And no secret sauce. Just plain understanding of technology.

Well, that's just my opinion so don't take it seriously and try to eat me up.

You did something amazing with your post. You pretend you know what you're getting into at the same time everything after your introduction makes it painfully obvious that you know nothing.
 
Got to laugh at the people who thought this was good news.

It's like your boss telling you "you will have to work for a 10% reduction in pay, but we may be able to reduce that in the future? possibly?"

"wow, so like a possible future pay rise! thanks"
 

bishoptl

Banstick Emeritus
As a programmer and tech enthusiast, I'm much much more impressed/interested with what MS is doing with XB1 as a whole.

Talking about their system in depth isn't a way to "show" they're desperate or anything like that at all... Instead, they're being HONEST. Seriously, I hear less and less about PS4's technical features and that's just makes that boring to me lol. XB1 on the other hand... definitely some interesting tech going on in there. I wouldn't be surprised if XB1's overall gaming performance is similar to the PS4's with all the off-load co-processors and customized hardware. The only thing we know PS4 has more is TFLOPs, the amount of floating point it can churn though, but as for gaming performance... That's really hard to figure because it's complex stuff beyond numbers (well, not really, but it's beyond a COUPLE of NUMBERS. There's hundreds of factors.)

And no secret sauce. Just plain understanding of technology.

Well, that's just my opinion so don't take it seriously and try to eat me up.
uh huh
 

velociraptor

Junior Member
As a programmer and tech enthusiast, I'm much much more impressed/interested with what MS is doing with XB1 as a whole.

Talking about their system in depth isn't a way to "show" they're desperate or anything like that at all... Instead, they're being HONEST. Seriously, I hear less and less about PS4's technical features and that's just makes that boring to me lol. XB1 on the other hand... definitely some interesting tech going on in there. I wouldn't be surprised if XB1's overall gaming performance is similar to the PS4's with all the off-load co-processors and customized hardware. The only thing we know PS4 has more is TFLOPs, the amount of floating point it can churn though, but as for gaming performance... That's really hard to figure because it's complex stuff beyond numbers (well, not really, but it's beyond a COUPLE of NUMBERS. There's hundreds of factors.)

And no secret sauce. Just plain understanding of technology.

Well, that's just my opinion so don't take it seriously and try to eat me up.
Specs don't matter. Xbox One is balanced. Gotcha!
 

Pain

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As a programmer and tech enthusiast, I'm much much more impressed/interested with what MS is doing with XB1 as a whole.

Talking about their system in depth isn't a way to "show" they're desperate or anything like that at all... Instead, they're being HONEST. Seriously, I hear less and less about PS4's technical features and that's just makes that boring to me lol. XB1 on the other hand... definitely some interesting tech going on in there. I wouldn't be surprised if XB1's overall gaming performance is similar to the PS4's with all the off-load co-processors and customized hardware. The only thing we know PS4 has more is TFLOPs, the amount of floating point it can churn though, but as for gaming performance... That's really hard to figure because it's complex stuff beyond numbers (well, not really, but it's beyond a COUPLE of NUMBERS. There's hundreds of factors.)

And no secret sauce. Just plain understanding of technology.

Well, that's just my opinion so don't take it seriously and try to eat me up.
Sony already put their specs out there. They don't have anything to explain/defend as Microsoft does. Sure it is nice to get some technical details about how some of this stuff works but no amount of explaining can overcome such a huge power difference.
 

Iacobellis

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For the most part, yes. It was $200 cheaper and had more appealing exclusives in the opinion of many during its first few years. That's not to mention how much Xbox Live took off.

I mean, we are talking about the system that competed against the successor to the PS2.... the PS2. It couldn't have ate into that success simply due to releasing first and nothing more -- especially given the position the Xbox brand was in before 2006.

The PS2 was such a juggernaut. I wish I was older, that way I could have really "lived" in that generation. Sony got extremely lucky with it.
 
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